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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2016, 01:53:28 pm »
@ModemHead :  thanks for taking the time to carry out those tests, much appreciated !  :-+

@Performa : TWO current shunts, a separate one for the uA range ? Hmmm if you say so, OK why not ! Will investigate for sure... that's a good lead.


OK gentlemen...  now hold on to your chair, fasten your seatbelt..... you just won't believe it... I certainly can't but... it's true !

Remember I said I would  contact (via e-mail in this case) Metrix / Chauvin-Arnoux ? Well, I did.... and guess what, who would believe it.. today they actually REPLIED to me ! 

This in itself kinda stunned me, I mean who would bother replying to something like this....

So, OK they replied to me, but I fully expected something like "sorry we can't help you, have a good day"...... but no.... NO ! 

This is what they wrote : "Dear Sir.  Please find attached the documentation that we are able to supply. Wishing you good reception, best regards".

WHAT ? They actually sent me something ?! Let's see what do I have in terms of attachments.... WHAT ?!  WHAAAAAAT ?!

OH !!!!   

They did it !!  They sent me the FULL SCHEMATICS  for the thing !  7 pages of schematics !!!!!!   
And two pages showing the two sides of the board with components overlay. Material clearly destined to in-house use : targeted at the workers who actually assembled the PCB/soldered the components (everything but the SMD I guess) ! With annotations to tell them "here, watch out for this hole in the PCB, make sure you don't obstruct it", or "capacitor X and Y, bend them to lie on the PCB" and " C24 must be soldered right on the terminals of Chrystal Q4", etc !
The drawings also shows the main board and the LCD board as a single board, they were not yet separated at this point.
Oh boy this is all priceless, it's golden !  :D

And all this kinda hand drawn it seems.

I only had a quick look at it, but let me tell you , it's electronic porn !  I feel so privileged to have these schematics, it's like a time machine and a door inside their facility, production line and R&D lab. Such a joy to see all these schematics ! I really feel so lucky, like a kid left alone in the middle of a sweet factory ! LOL

It's so cool !   :D

I so wish I could share them with you here ! SO frustrating to have to keep them just for me ! Well.... the person who e-mailed me didn't say anything about me being allowed or not to share them, but the footer of her e-mail carried the usual "every information or document is solely destined to you and no reproduction is allowed without explicit consent of Metrix " blah blah blah.... but this is most likely the usual footer that mail servers in pretty much every company these days, automatically append to any out-going e-mail !  So... not sure what to do !   :-\   

Anyway, I am SO HAPPY !  :) :) :) :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

I will take them to work so that I can use the big copier there, to print all the schematic pages in large A3 format, which is their original format. That will make it easier and more comfortable to read.

What a good day !  ;D

Oh, forgot. they actually sent me the schematics for the later 'C' revision of the MX55, not my old/vanilla 55, but the differences are so minor, it doesn't really matter.  The main difference in the 55 C I believe, is a few more special functions using more buttons at the top of the meter (like print, duty-cycle IIRC, things like that), but all that stuff is likely implemented in software, so the actual hardware on the board is unlikely to be fundamentally different, if at all.
The schematics are dated year 2000.  The annotated board layout destined to the production line, is a bit more recent, dated 2005.. well actually the bottom side of the board is. The notes for the top side of the board are still 2000 like the schematics.

So I guess that means the last MX 50 series meters were built in 2005 or maybe a little later.
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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2016, 03:52:49 pm »
@Performa : TWO current shunts, a separate one for the uA range ? Hmmm if you say so, OK why not ! Will investigate for sure... that's a good lead.

Well, EACH and EVERY current range has to have its dedicated shunt resistor and my MX54 from the mid-90s has five of them: 500µA, 5mA, 50mA (the one with the increased accuracy, 0.05%), 500mA and 10A.

The 10A shunt is a big meander shaped piece of resistive sheet metal.
The others might not be so obvious, but you only have to deal with the 10A shunt anyway.
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2016, 07:55:59 pm »
Yes, now I come to think of it, it make sense as you say. If one wants to conserve a similar resolution for every current range, then you have to come up with an optimized shunt value every time, so as to match the dynamic range of the voltmeter that will measure the drop across the shunt.

I will study the schematics to see if I can figure it out... but they are not as simple as I would have thought !....

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2016, 08:25:44 pm »
On the BK5360, I get using a Fluke 187 with leads relatived out

100.84 ohm on 5mA range
10.51 ohm on 50mA range
1.54 ohm on the 500mA range
0.03 ohm on the 10A range
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2016, 08:28:23 pm »
Just to confirm, you have no other way to verify that your power supply is within its stated calibration in the 10A range?  Even a cheap $5 meter with a 10A range?
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2016, 08:32:55 pm »
In this picture, circled in red, is your range switch.  There seems to be a lot of dirt and debris which could cause problems.  See modemhead's blog for 2 case studies.

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-83-iii-rotary-switch/

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/fluke-83-dmm-repair/

A generous amount of 91% IPA and letting it dry thoroughly will help prevent problems in the future.
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2016, 02:06:27 pm »
On the BK5360, I get using a Fluke 187 with leads relatived out

100.84 ohm on 5mA range
10.51 ohm on 50mA range
1.54 ohm on the 500mA range
0.03 ohm on the 10A range

Hi there,

Thanks for that.

I attached below an extract from the schematics Metrix sent to me yesterday. It shows the Amp section.   I highlighted in yellow the current shunts.

Your measurements are not bad at all, they confirm what teh schematics predict.  In the low values you read a bit high, but it gets more and more accurate as the current shunt' value increases.


Main 10A one is  0.005 ohm
Then it's  1,005 (the mA ranges appear to go through the main shunt, but it's value is so low in comparison, that it doesn't really matter I guess !).
Then it's 10.014  then 100.914 ohms.

I guess it's obvious that all the shunt values must be close to 10XXX, because it's a 5XXXX count meters, and the ranges are 5XXX full scale of course. So 5/5 =1.... wow, just won Noble prize here ! LOL

We also have another/extra resistor up the ladder, around 900ohms, which would male for a 1k shunt hence a 500uA range... but it looks like this does not go through the fuse, and it's also decoupled by a series capacitor, so no relation to our DC current ranges. Don't know what it's for.... maybe meant for the MX54 Performa mentioned, since it has such a 500uA range. But the presence of this cap in the path of the signal, and it not going through the fuse, has me puzzled.

The various taps from this shunt "ladder" then goes to what that multiplexer switch, and the two "AUX1/2" digital inputs are actually coming straight from the main DMM5 chip, so it can select the ranges he is interested in. The voltage drop is read via the "IN2" terminal. We can also see how the fuse blown detection circuitry is put together. The circuitry is not the same for the two fuses.


Thanks for the link to ModemHead's blog, looks well put together, will spend some time on it to see the contents.  The golden tracks which he describes as "real bad", are actually better looking than those on my meter eh ?!  So yes, will make sure to clean that up ! I don't have any of that fancy IPA I keep hearing about on the EEVBLOG. Though it was some gimmick, but the other day I tried cleaning an old board with regular alcohol and boy what a disaster, white traces all over the board, oops....  So looks like this IPA is indeed a necessity !  I will make sure to order some from Farnell. I have not yet sent my order for the LCD header and 1% 10M resistor, as I didn't want to spend 15 Euros of shipping for 4 Euros worth of goods ! Was trying to think of something else I could make use of, to increase the order... well let's add a bottle of IPA to the shopping cart ! :-)


About the accuracy of the current indicator/galvanometer on the lab power supply, well I doubt it could be so wrong as to display 2.7 A (max I got) instead of 3.9A (what the Metrix showed). I mean, to start with.. the suply is rated at 2.5A, so no way the manufacturer would sell you a transformer rated/capable of 4A and only charging/advertising you for a 2.5A model !  It would had to be profitable, being so generous ! ...  However,, slightly over-specifying the transformer to make sure the customer does get his advertised 2.5A, so he doesn't fell "betrayed", would seem a reasonable practice to me... and that's precisely what I am witnessing on the galva : 2.7 instead of 2.5, so 5 to 10% more. This seems OK to me.

However... since it's easy to rule it out, then why not.  I do have an modest analog meter, a kit I built when I was a boy... actually from Chauvin-Arnoux ! ;-)
It's obviously more of a toy, but still, plenty good enough for we have to do here !   From memory it can only read up to 1A, but still, should be enough to see who is right : the Metrix, or the galvanometer in the power supply. My bet is on the supply, but I want to remain open minded, so will perform the test and report !
There is even a simpler test to do ! ! Well... ti's a dual output supply, and both halves are completely independent. so I can just connect the Metrix to second output of the supply, see how it compares ! Having a galvanometer go nuts is unlikely enough, but having both go nut, and by the same amount, would be a tragedy ! LOL

Also... I do have a box full of power resistor (ceramic, glazed, wire-wound...) which I salvaged as a kid 20+ years ago. Never did much with them, but looks like they could be put to good use here ! I could try and find suitable enough to act as a current shunt, and then read the voltage drop across it using my Fluke. That would give me a measure of the current way precise enough, to be able to tell where the truth is !

I am currently looking for cheap-ish meters to measure currents as you said, something simple and rugged but reliable and well built and designed, and affordable. I set my heart on the Fluke 70 series.  Had a look at the specs. Seems the there is the 73/75/77(23), with accuracy ranging respectively from 0.5%, then 0.4 and 0.3 for the 77.  So I am on the look out for these meters. But find one in good condition AND at a decent price AND which comes with it's holster is not as easy as I thought... so the search continues.

This one is nice, but at 100 Euros/100+ USD,  I am out  ! :-/

https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/988990358.htm


However this week I spotted a MX53C on ebay, which does come with it's holster (hence, a decent tilting stand to actually be able to use it on the bench...), with a very reasonable starting price... but we all know that bidding can skyrocket in the very last few minutes, so I ma not holding my breath, it will probably end up at a silly price and I will have to back off. But who knows, so I keep an eye on it anyway, can't help, just love those meters so much  ! LOL

Anyway, enough talk. Time to get back to the bench and do the above mentioned tests, and report ! See you later....


 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2016, 05:07:18 pm »
Your measurements are not bad at all, they confirm what teh schematics predict.  In the low values you read a bit high, but it gets more and more accurate as the current shunt' value increases.
I recognize the limitations of the Fluke 187 wrt to its resistance measurements. I just chose it to give more resolution, not necessarily accuracy.  I don't have a 4 wire ohm meter.

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I will make sure to order some from Farnell. I have not yet sent my order for the LCD header and 1% 10M resistor, as I didn't want to spend 15 Euros of shipping for 4 Euros worth of goods ! Was trying to think of something else I could make use of, to increase the order... well let's add a bottle of IPA to the shopping cart ! :-)
I find fuses and capacitors also make good filler items to meet the minimum for free shipping. It is like I always need 1000uF 16V capacitors when I'm fixing things.

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From memory it can only read up to 1A, but still, should be enough to see who is right : the Metrix, or the galvanometer in the power supply. My bet is on the supply, but I want to remain open minded, so will perform the test and report !
When one clock says 10AM and another says 2PM, you need a 3rd one.  Since we do not have the equipment in front of us, remote troubleshooting, time zone differences, etc prompts these questions.

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I could try and find suitable enough to act as a current shunt, and then read the voltage drop across it using my Fluke. That would give me a measure of the current way precise enough, to be able to tell where the truth is !
The above would also work.

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I set my heart on the Fluke 70 series.
On ebay.com, these regularly sell for less than $50 USD.  Shipping to your country could be expensive though.  Alternatively, you can ask on the buy/sell subforum here if anyone wants to sell their Fluke 70 series?
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2016, 05:08:09 pm »
It is not uncommon to have current shunts in a "stack" with the 10A shunt at the bottom.  The input is injected into the stack at various places to select the shunt value.  Any unused shunt resistors at the top become part of the high-impedance voltage sense line.

I can't make complete sense of the schematic.  It appears to show 5 switch positions, when there is only two actual current range positions.  "Z1 ARC1" appears to be a CMOS bilateral switch of some sort, but not sure of the exact layout of the switches.  AUX1 and AUX2 are the select lines.  IN2 is the voltage sense. (All guesses.)

This is one of those designs where it is difficult if not impossible to probe the device while it is operating.  I hate that.  Anyway, I ran 1.000A through the unit here and measured the voltage drop on the shunt at 4.811mV.  Seems like it should be closer to 5.000mV, but in any case the 5390 display reads 00.999A.  It makes a huge difference where you measure this, I choose the bottom of R43, and the large screw-hole pad, which appears to be connected to the lower Kelvin point of the shunt.  I presume the strange UFO symbol on the schematic at that point means analog ground.

It seems your best bet to provide a known current to the DUT for testing is measuring voltage drop across an external shunt resistor.  Be aware that the resistance of that shunt will change as it gets hot.
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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2016, 05:17:48 pm »
Your measurements are not bad at all, they confirm what teh schematics predict.  In the low values you read a bit high, but it gets more and more accurate as the current shunt' value increases.
I recognize the limitations of the Fluke 187 wrt to its resistance measurements. I just chose it to give more resolution, not necessarily accuracy.  I don't have a 4 wire ohm meter.
I do have a 4-wire meter, and from the jack pads, it measures 0.028 ohms.  The fuse/fuse-holder has higher resistance than the shunt...
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2016, 07:23:43 pm »
OK !  Sussed it out finally !

Big thanks to RetiredCaps !  The unlikely indeed happened ! It was the PSU's galvanometer reading garbage !

I first tried with my old kit/toy multimeter fromwhen I was a boy... goes only to 1A max, but that was enough to convince me, as the MEtrix also showed 1.0 A !

So then in order to get more data points, I search my stock of ancient salvaged power resistors... sure enough I eventually found something suitable : 0.47 ohms wire-wound resistors, 6 of them no less. No power rating on them, but compared to similar ones which had markings on them, it's safe to say they must be rater at 5W minimum, most probably 6 or 7.
3+ amps, around 0.5 ohms, 5+ W.... teh resistor is just withing spec power dissipation-wise !  So should do it !  But to be really on the safe side, and keep them from overheating which could increase their value and false the measurement, I decided to parallel 5 of them so as to get around 0.1 ohm, which has also the benefit of allowing for easy reading/direct translation of  Volts to Amps.
So I soldered them together, so as to get a good connection between them, and measured the drop with the Fluke, whilst having the Metrix in serie displaying the current.  Before running the test, of course I measured this 5 pack of resistors, using the Metrix since it has better resolution and accuracy than my little Fluke : it reads spot on 0.10 ohms ! Happy enough with that ! :-)

Unfortunately the crappy connections of the crocodile clips made the apparent resistance be little higher, so the drop was a bit higher than a one to one ratio. Still, once I processed the 7 data points I took, it was obvious that the reading was reliable : the effective shunt resistance (ie, with the leads and clips), was a very consistent : 0.117 / 0.118 ohms. So there is no doubt that the shunt worked just fine and therefore the experiment was valid.

So... the 10A range of the Metrix reads in fact just fine ! .... sorry for chasing a read hearing !  But boy, this galvanometer was all I had to test the Metrix's 10A range.... thought that would work just fine ! Should have done this shunt thing right from the start then !

But stil, what the hell happened to my PSU ! Been working just fine for the past 25 years, and now all of a sudden the current display reads garbage ?! Suspicious... might have an idea to what may have caused this :  when testing the Vdc range, I put the two (floating of course) outputs in series, so I could go/test up to 60V rather than just 30V.   Did the same thing then, to test the 10A range : I paralleled the two outputs, hoping to get 5 to 6A instead of just 2.5 / 3A.
I remember that it didn't go too well : the current needles didn't quite do what I expected them to do, and the current display on the second output, would stay to the floor no matter what.

So.... I fear I must have mad some damage in the PSU by paralleling them... but boy, I thought all these such dual output floating lab supplies are all meant and designed to be put in series or in parallel, no ?! :-/

Luckily, if I don't parallele them, taken independently, tehy still work fine : the vltage can be set just fine as it should, between 0 to 30, and the Volt needle reads just fine.  So the problem seems to be limited to the current display... but this is just a galvanometer with a wire shunt bolted right across it's terminal, along with the wires. So... I don't know.   I guss I will have to take the two galvanometers out, and wire up some test circtuit on the bread-board, to test them. Galvanometers are very sensitive of course, in the order of 100uA for full deviation, but it should be alright now that I know the Metrix works just fine. It can mesure down to 0.01 uA, so plenty sensitive enough to test the galva, see if either the galva itself has suffered and/or if it's the shunt at its back... or some damage on the PCB of the power supply, at worse...

Attached a few piccies of the PSU, vintage chauvin-Arnoux stuff, that's my "2 minute tear down" ! LOL

OK !  So now I guess my meter is just fine and just need some TLC ! ... which I will dispense in the coming days, and put it back together., and hopefully everything will be alright then.


Someone, a silent read of this topic apparently, private message me saying he owns a MX 55C and was interested in the schematics. I hope I won't go to jail but... I find it so frustrating and unfair not to share the stuff with the few who know and like these meters ! So here it is attached... just don't "broadcast" them all over the web please... let's just keep it contained here. I think if Metrix really cared about the privacy of this stuff, they would not have taken the risk to give it to me (never mind in easy to spread PDF form !) in the first place ! Or at least they would have explicitly told me what their policy was... but they didn't do any of that.  So... hope you enjoy as much as I do !  :)

Thanks again for the advice and tips you gave me to help me figure it out, I much appreciate it !  :-+


 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2016, 07:30:28 pm »
Oops, forgot to put some photos, I like piccies  ;D

Here, pics of my little toy/kit meter I built when I was little. Still, I like the looks and feel of it. Scale looks nice, and nice rubber housing that does a great job at bouncing the thing all over the bench. Then a pic of it side by side with the Metrix : 1.00 A on the Metrix, and my analog meter reads just a tad under full scale, so really not bad for what is really nothing but a toy !  8)
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« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2016, 07:38:10 pm »
Hell, can't believe I had THAT many power resistor... that's the opportuniy to organize them a bit ! The carbon film ones, the glazed/vitrified ones (not sure how you call them in English), the wire wound types, plain, and then the really vintage one, wire-wound but hollow, for better cooling I guess. Then the ceramic ones.

 

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« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2016, 07:55:39 pm »
Now I have to fix the PSU... tear down time !

The two output are really completely distinct. They have their own PCB, and both boards are strictly the same. Transformer has two taps : 30V of course, and a middle tap at 15V with a relay to switch between the two, so that the PSU can lower the power transistor's dissipation when the outputs is set to a low voltage but draws lots of current.

Each of the outputs have the following connected to their terminals/jacks : a diode (BY550, will look that up. drop tested at only .45V, lower than your usual diode eh ), then a 47uF electrolytic cap, and what looks like a "MOV" ?!    Then, there are 4 very high value resistors, (they wouldn't even measure with the fluke), connecting each of the 4 terminals/jacks, to the chassis/earth connection.

You can also see the current shunt bolted right accord the lower galvanometer's terminals.

The boards use the classical at the time uA 723 ... I guess these days there more modern/better replacements.  Each board/output actually uses TWO uA 723 ?!  Don't know what the second is for ? Constant current regulation maybe ?  Could be, because on the PCB, we can see what looks like long wire shunt, that runs alllll along the edge of the PCB, see it ? So could be used as a current sense to perform the current regulation ?!

That was my impromptu 2 minute tear-down, a la Dave, sorry if I lack the talent !   :-DD

 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
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« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2016, 09:21:04 pm »
The unlikely indeed happened ! It was the PSU's galvanometer reading garbage !
Glad you got it working.  Everyone on the thread contributed to make it working.
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2016, 10:55:29 am »
Got to love R2 in the power supply!
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2016, 06:10:55 pm »
Got to love R2 in the power supply!

Well yes, kinda stands out eh ?!  I don't know why they needed to make that shunt wire sooooo long. Who knows. To help cooling/accuracy maybe.. though accuracy is hardly a concern in the design of this particular PSU for sure. So don't know.

Anyway how, I have just validated my ordered at Farnell, to get the bits I need to finally put the Metrix back in one piece. However sadly, the order will be delayed because of the 28 pin LCD header connector, as it comes direct from the manufacturer's stock. They state a delay of 5 working days, so at best, if I am lucky, I will get the parts on Saturday morning.  So in the meantime, I will work on trouble-shooting and hopefully fixing the PSU.

Since this topic is about tearing down the Metrix, I guess the schematics I uploaded are in line with this topic and that deserve some comments as part of the tear down, no ?
I see that dozen or so people have downloaded it !  So it must be of some interest to some people, more than the few of us who actually post in this topic anyway.

So... what could we say about this board/schematics ?  I spent a few hours reading the m again and again...

Overall, it's more complex/convoluted that I thought it ought to be !  To start with, the representation of the contacts/tracks of the main rotary switch, is not so easy to understand... one can eventually figure out the broad lines, enough to get a sufficient understanding of where the signals come and go... most of them anyway, but saying that I understand easy and every little detail of it, would be rather presumptuous...

Anyway. The main thing that I find interesting, is the overall architecture of the thing. You have got the big "DMM5" proprietary chip on the main board, and the little LCD board with a big chip on it, and a header connector linking the two. So, one would assume that it's all very classic an arrangement : the DMM 5 chip has got to be the main processor doing it all, and it just talks to the LCD board to control the display, and the chip on the LCD board is obviously the LCD driver. Right ? No, totally WRONG ! LOL

Looking at the schematics, one quickly sees that the big DMM5 chip handles only the analog stuff, doing most of the magic. The main board actually is 100% analog. The LCD board is actually the main digital board, everything digital is all happening in there !  The LCD driver is actually not the driver, it's the main processor/controller, a modest 4 bit MCU from NEC, featuring 16KB of PROM (in my meter anyway, a 316 version, not the 308 / 8KB version pictured in the schematics), 512 bytes of RAM, and running at around 4MHz.

So, it's completely upside down compared to most other meters I would guess.  That little LCD board contains everything digital, and the main board and that DMM5 proprietary chip, are completely dedicated to handling all the analog stuff. So, a very clear separation between analog and digital. I guess this helps achieve the high accuracy of this meter, by keeping away the fast digital transients, from "polluting" weak but precious analog signals. Well, just a supposition... after all, there are many meters in the MX series, hence sharing this same basic architecture, yet most of them are hardly precision instruments.  But maybe Metrix being a fairly small company after all, couldn't afford to design 20 different architectures for each and every of their instruments, so they invested their R&D money in something that would be suited to the most accurate of their meters, then all the less accurate ones would therefore also benefit from it.


The LCD / digital board
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As we have just seen, it's actually not just the LCD board, but the main CPU board. Besides the LCD controller, the MCU doesn't integrate very much in terms of peripherals, just the bare minimum to be able to operate the meter : a couple 8 bit timers, a serial interface so it can handle the external Cal EEPROM but strangely it is not being used, the pins are used as general purpose pins, so chatting with the cal EEPROM has got to be implemented in S/W... why.
..  and a few digital I/Os to handle the membrane keypad, RS232 IR link to access the outside world, and a few more input lines to get the status of the Fuses and position of the rotary switch (using 4 lines, " ROT0 " up to " ROT3 ".
And of course, the data bus and usual associated control lines, so it can control the DM5 chip to get back the readings from the DMM5 built-in ADC, and also drive the 3 and only digital lines featured by the DMM5 chips (labeled "AUX 1/2/3" ) in order to select ranges and enable or disable the 10M input resistor on the mV range, according to what the user is asking for in this regard.

The MCU actually does not feature an UART (the serial interface is just for simple SPI links and the like). The TX and RX signal are then tied to general purpose I/O pins. The link must then be implemented in software, which might be why, I would guess, the CPU runs at a rather fast almost 5 MHz, which would otherwise be unnecessary I think (?), to operate this meter.  At any rate the DMM5, which is connected to the data bus of the MCU primarily to send back the results of its internal ADC, runs from a modest 32+ KHz watch crystal !

The LCD board also includes the backlight circuitry, for those meters who do have it (not my vanilla MX55 anyway). It's totally independent from the MCU, so should the MCU fail, you would still be able to turn light on and off.  It uses a TLC393 comparator (comparator of choice throughout this meter) to H/W debounce the membrane button, then goes to a couple D flip-flops (usual 4000 series CMOS) to perform the toggling action. The LED backlight is then driven by a discrete transistor.

Check Fuses : once again, a clear distinction between the analog part of the detection circuitry, which is on the main board, and the digital part of it. So, the digital board gets the analog feed from the main board, and adds a little bot of shaping circuitry so it can apply it to the digital IO pins of the MCU. In the case at hand, a couple  comparators are sued for FUSE1 (TLC 393 as always), and a third being used for FUSE2.

The Cal EEPROM : an ST 93C46 ( 461 actually on my meter). NOthing special you say ? One point worth noting though : they are not rated at the usual 10 year data retention period, but a surprisingly high, and much more suited to the task... 40 YEARS !  And the C461 I actually have in my meter, is rated at 100 years  ?! Dear...   didn't know such EEPROMs even existed !  So I found that interesting.
Size-wise, it hold only 128 bytes, so just enough to cram in the required cal data.



The main / analog board
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So, that big DMM5 chip, to start with. It's main purpose is then to assist in implementing all the analog magic required to put the meter together. It embeds teh ADC and sends its readings to the digital board via the CPU(s 4 bit data bus).

It houses the buzzer functionality, said buzzer is connected straight to it. Might be why it is scratchy/not latched... the chip being so analogy in its design, I guess a latch was not in order.

It features a current output which goes straight to the input jack. Of course this is used when in ohms mode, or capacitance or diode test.
In order to produce accurate(ish) current for the various required ranges, it uses an external 3 pins 1.25 voltage reference, along with a little cascade of carefully calculated resistors.

It has a digital input dedicated to measuring frequency. Being digital, the signal passes first through some external shaping circuitry, in the form of a couple comparators, yes, TLC 393 again...

The precision/potted divider network is connected straight to the DMM5 pins.... along with no less than 12 capacitors ! Boy what the hell do they all do. The 3 trimmer caps found on the board, are actually all part of this bunch.

There are quite a few analog inputs and output on this DMM5, sometimes a bit hard to follow. Signals come in, then out, then in again via some other door... its a bit hard to follow I admit. From what I can gather :  two signal come from the "front-end" of the meter/ input circuitry : "PR" and "10M". 10M as its name suggests, goes to the highest/10M tap of the precision network. PR attacks it from the 1M step just below.

From that, the DMM5 generates several other signals : "AN0" , which is then sent to the shaping circuitry which produces a clean digital signal which is fed back to the frequency input of the DMM5.
The DMM5 also output a couple more signals : AC1 and AC2. These feed a couple things : the RMS converter, and a "discrete"/improvised 10 bit DAC made out of a binary counter (a 74HC4040), coupled with a 10 stage/bits R-2R ladder, as you do... but whose goal escapes me, any idea ?  These two signals are then fed to an analog switch (a classic CMOS 4052 chip), whose output, labeled AC3.. is then fed back to the DMM5 ! See ? signals just keep going in and out of this DMM5 chip ! LOL

This analog switch is actually a double switch, and serves a second purpose : switching R25 on and off, the 10M input resistor, in order to be able to obtain a super high impedance mode when using the mV range.

The DMM5 has 3 main analog inputs : IN1 to IN3.  IN1 is the one used to read DC voltages, through the precision divider network. IN2 is the input used to measure currents. IN3 is used I think when measuring ohms or capacitance or testing diodes : the DMM5 outputs the current to the jack/into the DUT, then reads back the resulting voltage via this IN3 path.  In the path of this signal, is a complex network of no less than 12 resistor... which really make up for a simple two resistor voltage divider, as you can see. But I guess it was necessary to put several resistors in series to get the high voltage protection a single tiny SMD resistor had no chance to meet.  A similar arrangement is used nearby, by another circuitry in the front end : a chain of 5 resistors to make up for one high-voltage item. said resistors drive a rather complex arrangement of 5 bipolar transistors.. though their final goal is clearer : they drive a FET that shunts the input jack. Probably used to discharge capacitors once they have been tested ? Something like that...

As for the section related to current measurement, it has been already described in a previous post. Basically the signal goes through a ladder of shunts, and an analog switch taps it where necessary, for the required range, then the signal is sent straight to the "IN3"  in put of the DMM5, without any further processing. Switch control inputs are driven directly by AUX 1 and 2, 2 of the 3 digital I/Os the DMM5 features. Obviously, again, the DMM5 doesn't even know what it's doing... it merely drives this pins blindly, ordered by the MCU sitting on the LCD board. The DMM5 merely passes on the orders...

The current ranges are switch by an analog switch bu sadly it a proprietary Metrix-ITT switch, so not data sheet available. but well, its operation doesn't seem to hold much mystery. The terminals being labeled on the schematics, and being rather self explanatory. Just a switch. 4 inputs controlled by two digital lines, "AUX"' 1 and 2, which come directly from the DMM5 chip, and which are remotely controlled by the CPU on the LCD board via the data bus.


Well that's all I can think of.  At any rate that give me a good enough understanding of these MX50 series meters, so I feel confident to buy some more, as I know how they work and could potentially fix them is need be.

So that is it, the tear down is now complete I think !   :)
 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2016, 09:08:12 pm »
Hi again ! Sorry for inundating this topic, I think I am almost done now... because today I just put my MX 55 back together, and it feels much better now, so I will call it a success.

I have not yet received the 28 pin header connector for the LCD/digital board, but decided to reassemble it anyway, because I figured replacing the connector would be took great a risk : the pads on the PCB are round and really tiny, so little copper there... so I think leaving my bodge wire, which works just fine, is doing much less harm than damaging the tiny pads on the PCB, at best, or ending up bricking my meter at worst....
Farnell sent me all the other stuff I required though, so no worries : a few 10M 1% resistors, Vishay no less, a can of IPA and a couple of anti-static brushes (a soft one and a "tooth brush" stiffer one).

So, I replaced that 10M resistor.. and realized stupid me, that I ordered a 500mW one but the original one was only quarter what.... luckily it still fits.
Then I cleaned the golden tracks of the rotary switch... couldn't get it 100% because it appears a bit worn out so can't do much about it (is there "liquid gold" available, like there is "liquid tin" to tin PCB tracks ?? could be interesting.)  However, looking at the before/after close-up pictures I took, it's undeniably much better than it was, so well worth it. 
Then I sprayed the entire PCB with IPA, both sides, to give it a good clean with the soft brush... a clean PCB being essential when dealing with high-impedances/low level signal. Couldn't hurt I thought.
Then I soldered the RF shield back on.
Then I tested it... and it works so much better, I am happy camper ! :-)
In the mV range, my ears feel much better : now the alarm screams only when "expected to", in the high impedance mode that is. But in the regular 10M mode, no alarm no matter how much I play with the test leads. It reads 0.XX mV like the Fluke.
The capacitance mode is back to its former self as well, very happy with that : now it behaves perfectly. After a reading/measurement (real or fake, with open or shorted leads), the display does'nt "float" randomly or erraticly displaying "Run'. No, as soon as you remove the capacitor, the display goes back instantly to a solid/steady 00.00nF ! Great ! :-D 

Oh, and ths week I bough a couple MX53C to complement the 55 ! :-)  One of them is NEW ! Bought in 1999 by a guy at his work place, for teaching purpose... never got used. When he left work for retirement, he took it with him... and after a few years decided to put it up for sale. BRAND NEW ! He opened the case merely to take a pic to illustrate his ad, but other than this.. this meter quite literally never saw the light of day ! So the foam is like new (not discolored and still very firm, a set of spare Ferraz fuses, manual, and even a full page of calibration data from Metrix, for all ranges !
such a joy.

So, with this "reference" meter at hand, I could better test/compare with my MX 55, to validate my repair. Everything is fine then. Capacitance wise, they are within 1% of each other from 47nF right up to 6800uF.  Also, I checked of course the main 10A range, again by shorting my lab supply, and boy I was not disappointed.... up to 1A about, the match was perfect right down to the LSD ! And at 3.5A or so, the max deviation between the two was only 3 or 4 LSD !
I also couldn't help but make the two meters test each other : the MX 55 in ohms range, connected to the 5C3 mA range.  The 55 was then measuring the value of the current shunt (the value being actually high enough to be measurable in the mA range), and the 53C measuring the precision/calibrated current output by the 55.  See picture below... the two read just perfect !  On its 5mA range, the current shunt of the 53C reads the expected 100ohms, and teh current output by th 55 to measure the shunt, is bang on the the expected 1.0uA

So... looks like my 55 has now a clean bill of health. Behaves well, reads true... I now consider it a reliable meter I can use with confidence in my project.

The new 53C came with a holster.... at last I have one !  Well, if you don't have one.. GET one. Really makes it so much more usable : no fear of dropping or banging it on the bench, features the indispensable stand so you can actually see the display without having to get up your chair to look at it from above... and it is very rubbery-anti-slip, you can actually operate it with one hand, be it the knob or even inserting or disconnecting the leads.
So, really, it makes the meter much more pleasurable to use on the bench, I find.

What about my other 53C ? It stands right at the other end of the spectrum, relative to the new one. I picked it up on Ebay France/locally, starting price was only 20 Euros so I kept an eye on it... thinking that as always the bidding would skyrocket all of a sudden, 5 minutes before the end of the auction. So I was not holding my breath/  But somehow, turned out there was only one other bidder, and I won the auction ! It was mine for only 46 Euros ! :-D  So even less than half the price of the new one (100 Euros).  Obviously, for that price, the pics on Ebay looked like it was in a very sorry state, and until I got it in my hands, I was kinda prepared to have wasted my money. But... after I dismantled it and gave every part a thorough cleaning and loving care... and replaced the leaky battery and cleaned the corrosion on the battery terminal, and put two new ceramic fuses (bought a 10 pack for each range the other day)... it turned up actually REALLY nice, so a great buy indeed, very happy ! It took came with the holster too ! :-D

So i have kinda a little collection of MX50 series now ! Love them ! I intend to buy some more... as dave said "you can never have too many multimeters ! " LOL

The MX55 will be my main meter, the most accurate one, and the 53C will be there to supplement it when I need to keep an eye on several measurements at the same time.. or just as a backup.  Their 0.1% is still plenty good enough for what I do or intend to do, and that's 3 to 5 times more accurate than the Fluke 70 series I am fancying too, not to mention 50,000 counts versus 4,000, a larger display, more functionnality etc.... yet they cost the same amount, at least of here ! around 80 Euros plus or minus 20 Euros depending on condition.  So really, regardless of my love for theses MX50 series, the cold facts are also on my side : for 80 Euros or so, the choice between a Fluke 77 and a Metrix MX 53C is a no brainer I find.  At least for bench work, which is teh goal. For a general purpose meter you put in you tool box and use to work on your car or around the house or anywhere to do whatever.... I would prefer the Fluke 77. smaller/more nimble, a bit ore rugged I feel, and easier to operate with one hand, and better protection if it does (?) have the same huge HRC fuses that the 87V has.  So I might still buy for this purpose, to complement my fluke 11 which is perfect for this kind of use but.... which doesn't measure current sadly ! And also it doesn't get as much use as voltage measurement, there had been occasion where I really needed to measure current...

Anyway. I tore down this well used 53C apart, and noticed a few things which might be of interest to this tear-down topic, so I will end with this.
First things I notices, compared to my 55, was the the RF shield is not soldered to the back of the PCB anymore, but rather replaced by a foil glued to the back cover. So, nothing get in your way when you want to access the back side of the PCB, like I needed to. There is a little spring soldered to the ground plane of the PCB, which make contact with the foil/back cover.
Then, I noticed that the LCD header connector was a different type : mine which I broke a pin off of, was the very fragile round and thin terminals. the 53C on the other hand, had the much more robust beefy square type.  now way I would have broken a pin, had my 55 had that type of connector ! :-/

But the most interesting, was that.. horror... when I was presented with the back side of the PCB, I instantly noticed something very wrong ! It was unpopulated !
Alll the stuff related to RMS measurement was gone !  The AD converter itself, the "home made"  10 bit DAC, and the analog switch that feeds the RMS result back to the DMM5 chip. And the top side of the PCB... some more stuff is gone : the current shunts for the mA range, and the analog switch that taps them !

Still, the 53C is an RMS meters just like all the 54/55/56 of course, so... this tells us something new about the DMM5 chip : it must have a built-in RMS converter, as well as current shunts and analog switch for the various mA ranges.... but that the performance of the DMM5 chip in these department was not deemed good enough by Metrix to achieve the accuracy they wanted so the added their own external circuitry to remedy this.
Looking at the spec sheet for the 50's series, which someone posted toward the beginning of this thread, it all become more obvious : the 53C is not just bottom of the range for it's lesser 0.1% basic accuracy, no it also has worse specs than the 54/55/56 for current measurement accuracy, which indeed confirms that it must uses some built-in circuitry from the DMM5 chip, and it also has lower RMS bandwidth than all the others in the series, yet again confirming the DMM5 having a built-in, but poor, RMS converter.
So here you go, we learned a little something more about this DMM5 chip, even though it's a proprietary black box.

So... at first I though well, maybe these 53C aren't such a good deal after all... but really I think they still are. I mean the RMS features is a selling point but honestly, I can't think of a use for it for lab/design work, the accuracy, crest factor, and piss poor bandwidth renders them rather useless I find, in practice, what do you think ?  In practice, it's DC voltages I am interested in, as well as the other features the meter offers. If for some application I have to actually get a half decent RMS measurement of a signal, the only option I guess is to use a digital scope. It's got the bandwidth, and the crest factor is not an issue either, since it can calculate the RMS on any arbitrary waveform : if it can trigger on it, it can display, and if it can display it, then no matter what the the shape of the signal is, it can compute the RMS value equally well. I think this RMS feature on hand-held meters is very useful for measurement on the filed on electrical system/industrial stuff, motor control, what have you, but as an accurate way to measure electronic signal of any frequency and any shape and crest factor....

So.... I think these 53C meters are still well worth "collecting" to complement a more accurate 55/56 meter, for when you need more than one meter at a given time.  I have spotted a couple more of them in excellent condition for 80 Euros each, in the local ads.. might be tempted ! LOL
I didn't think they would (relatively) so easy to find. The 54/55/56 are much harder to find.  Came across a brand new 56 the other day, for 160 euros.... so excellent value for money I find, but sadly it was already sold, stupid seller didn't bother removing his ad, like so many other sellers, who just don't care wasting prospectives buyer's time ! grrr.... drives me nuts.

The 53C has one thing for it though, over my 55 ! It can measure duty-cycle !   I tested on my ancient Philips analog function gen. Duty cycle is not adjustable, but still, wanted to see it would read. No disappointment there : bang on 50.00%  !!!  Well, half of the time. Every now and then it would wander a bit, but always in a window of 49.9 - 50.1, so pretty good, for such a basic and old function gen ! 
I find this DC feature quite nice... it's simple enough to implement, that one can actually trust the value displayed by the Metrix, and I think it could come very handy when checking or designing anything using PWM signal, so quite a useful feature I find. Keeps from having to hook up a digital scope ! Much more convenient to use the hand-help meter I find.

Sorry for a long post again ! But well, somehow I found it at home here, hope I didn't annoy to many people. Well at least I managed to get the schematics and share there here, so a decent contribution to this topic I reckon :-)

A few piccies and that will be it.   Thanks again to everybody who helped me in fixing my MX 55, now working just fine.


Below pics ::

- Farnell shopping : IPA, anti-static brushes, Vishay 10M 1% metal film resistors, packs of ceramic fuses suited to the MX 50 series, a couple tiny chisel tips, with built-in temperature control, for my 30+ year old  24V AC Weller iron... can't believe Weller still sells this model of tips !  That's customer support for ya !

- before/after pics of the golden tracks, using IPA and the anti-static brushes. not quite perfect but much better none the less.

- The bodge wire for the header connector will remain for now...

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #70 on: September 08, 2016, 09:14:26 pm »
- Got it wrong, original 10M was only 0.25W.... but I ordered an 500mW one, oh well, can't harm I guess, and it still fits in the enclosure so all is well.

- That Weller PCB stand came in quite handy to solder the 10M resistor on to the board.

- Soldering the RF shield back on.

 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2016, 09:18:41 pm »
- Now we can put the meter back together again at last

- the 55 and 53C checking each other...

- The 53C measuring duty-cycle spot on from the old function gen.

- A complete and brand new MX 53C, with full calibration data and still the protective strip on the LC window, what more could one dream of ?!


 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2016, 09:25:10 pm »
Mini comparative tear-down of the 53C vs the 54/55/56 :

- soldered RF shield replace by a foil in the back cover

- all the RMS related circuitry has disappeared from the back side of the main board

- as well as all the current shunt and analog switch of the mA ranges, on the top side of the PCB.

- potted precision network/divider had been replaced by a more modern ceramic substrate as we commonly find on the Fluke meters

- Quite a bit of corrosion on the negative terminal of the battery, but it cleaned up just fine, the PCB lower down, was still in good shape.

 

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2016, 09:27:43 pm »
Is it possible to have TOO MANY MX50s meters ?!  I don't know... Aren't they cute, keeping each-other warm ?! :-)
I just happen to really love them ! LOL

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Re: Metrix MX56C / BK Precision 5390 Multimeter Teardown
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2016, 11:22:16 pm »
Is it possible to have TOO MANY MX50s meters ?!
I hope your weekend is free because I'm curious why your 53C doesn't support Hz and Surv like my BK 5360?

PS. Modemhead did all the modifications, without schematics too  ;), on this meter.  :-+
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