Microscope - where to buy

[robgerr]

Good evening friends of the forum. Sorry for my of malicious by google translator;)
  I would be willing to purchase a stereo microscope to work with SMD.
Unfortunately I do not understand how the discourse of the lenses, zoom etc.
My doubt is that, I would do with the stereo microscope and meanwhile welded with both welder with hot air, as loius Rossman in his videos.
my doubt is the working distance between these two products Amscope SM-4TZ or SM-4TP
I wanted to know if the model with 90X zoom is suitable to work or do I take that to 45X? my doubt is always for the working distance because I would like to settle and meanwhile see the components. That is fine as well as 90X that is enough for me zoom out simply?
I thank you for your eventual answer

[ataradov]

10x is the most you will need for SMD work. And AmScope SE400-Z is may personal recommendation for an affordable, but usable microscope for SMD work.

But yours are better if in the price range. Both of them will have good working distance, but with TZ  you can only use camera or eyepieces, but not both at the same time. So if this is important, then TP is a way to go.

[robgerr]

I thank you for your answer, then 90 x are too many to work or to inspect smd?
I take this opportunity to ask one other thing, I see that there are models that have 3.5X-90X or 7X-90X, what are the differences?

[ataradov]

I thank you for your answer, then 90 x are too many to work or to inspect smd?

Yep. At 100x we were studying live cells in school

5-10x is a normal working magnification. For something extremely small you may use 20x, but it is uncomfortable, everything becomes too shaky.

I take this opportunity to ask one other thing, I see that there are models that have 3.5X-90X or 7X-90X, what are the differences?

No idea, probably just different optical configurations.

[DaJMasta]

I don't have much experience with microscopes, but as for magnification, I think 10x is plenty for doing SMD work, and for inspection, you may be able to justify a bit more, but probably no more than 15-20x.

If you are soldering under the microscope, 10X or less is probably best.  10x is also generally plenty for inspection, but the extra detail of a little more magnification could be useful in some circumstances or just generally interesting.  I certainly think 45x or more is way overkill for SMD work.  An 0201 part is .6mm long, so at 10x the detail would be comparable to a 6mm long part by eye, like a through hole 1/4W resistor - plenty to inspect a solder joint or look for damage on the part.  And unless you have the fancy pick and place equipment to do parts that small, you're unlikely to even need to inspect such tiny parts.

[robgerr]

ok I took a look and the difference and on the lenses, one assembles these:
One Pair of Super Widefield 10X Eyepieces
while the other mounts these:
One 0.5X Barlow Lens
that is the difference between the two lenses? changing the working distance without sacrificing the zoom? with a mean distance between the PCB and the stereomicroscope

[ataradov]

It does not matter much separate from the rest of the optical path. Barlow lens is better in theory, providing bigger working distance.  But Barlow lens in this case will give reduction in magnification, so there must be greater magnification before this lens.

[Bud]

Bigger working distance and wider field of view.

[robgerr]

Bigger working distance and wider field of view.

to which model do you mean?

[Bud]

It is what x0.5 lens gives you.

[rstofer]

10x is the most you will need for SMD work. And AmScope SE400-Z is may personal recommendation for an affordable, but usable microscope for SMD work.

But yours are better if in the price range. Both of them will have good working distance, but with TZ  you can only use camera or eyepieces, but not both at the same time. So if this is important, then TP is a way to go.

So, of these two at Amazon, which would you suggest?  The differences is one comes with 5x and 10x lenses, the other with 10x and 20x lenses.  I have been thinking about a microscope for years but, at this price, I can probably buy something for xmas.

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=amscope+se400-z

[robgerr]

ok thank you, and to work with more distance is better to take a Barlows lens 0.5
this model is more suitable perhaps
http://www.amscope.com/3-5x-45x-simul-focal-stereo-zoom-microscope-on-dual-arm-boom-stand.html

[ataradov]

So, of these two at Amazon, which would you suggest?

That depends whether you want to have video work at the same time as eyepieces. If you don't plan on buying and using a video camera, then SE400-Z is a good alternative. If you need to use the camera, then TP is the only option. You can buy different magnification eyepieces later anyway.

[ataradov]

ok thank you, and to work with more distance is better to take a Barlows lens 0.5

SE400-Z with 10x lens has 6" of working distance. How much bigger you need it to be?

Bigger field of view is useful, but may not justify 2x price increase.

[robgerr]

I thank you and I do not know these products and their scope as magnifying

[zapta]

My doubt is that, I would do with the stereo microscope and meanwhile welded with both welder with hot air, as loius Rossman in his videos.

Since you mentioned Louis Rossman, you may want to check his video below.

As other said, X4-X10 is the useful range for SMD. The Barrlow lens will increase the working distnace but will also raise the eyepiece so you need to make sure it's OK with the ergonomic of your bench and chair. I use an Amscope with a X1 barlow (to protect the lense) and an happey with the working distance. Louis uses a microscope with a third exit for a camera, you may or may not need it. Overall, going from a non microscope to a microscope, even an ebay or Amscope cheapos is a huge step up.

[anman]

I'm using for daily repairing mobile phones model microscope YAXUN AK01 - good value for money. Long working distance allows easily work as a soldering iron and a fan 
In this regard, first of all you need to determine why there is a microscope of SMD to work with, or for the "fun of Hollywood" 

Alternative - low price of a microscope

[Psi]

For PCB work you DEFINITELY want to trade off high zoom for more working distance. (using the 0.5x barlow lens).

I got my microscope from aliexpress (luckyzoom seller)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-3-5X-90X-50-50-SPLIT-SIMUL-FOCAL-MICROSCOPE-DOUBLE-BOOM-STAND-TRINOCULAR-STEREO/32662991730.html
(you can get it for half that price if you dont need the movable stand, but it is nice to be able to swing it in/out as needed)


If you want the tinocular output for a camera consider getting the simulfocus version which allows both eyes and the camera output at once.
Non-simulfocus units have a knob that switches between one eyepiece and the camera port.

[WaveyDipole]

10x is the most you will need for SMD work. And AmScope SE400-Z is may personal recommendation for an affordable, but usable microscope for SMD work.

Forgive me for jumping onto this thread, but I recently found something like this on a local market stall and picked it up for 30GBP. Mine is branded Motic, is probably an earlier version of their SL40 model, and it looks almost identical to the AmScope SE400-Z except the lamp is missing. The optical assembly itself, including eyepieces and that box shaped stereo objective assembly look identical. The design of the stand is also identical but mine has an output for incandescent, rather than LED lighting, although apparently it can support both. Eyepieces are marked 10x/20 but the objective is 4x which would provide 40x magnification.

It would seem that in Europe, 'Bresser Biorit ICD CS Stereo Microscope', from www.bresser.de is also the same thing. I suspect that these may all even be made by Bresser and are simply re-branded products.

At 40x magnification, I get a very close up detailed view of individual SMD components, but the distance of the objective from the board is about 5-7cm, which leaves far too little space to work with. I have just ordered a Bresser 1x objective and I'm hoping it will fit.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bresser-Biorit-ICD-Microscope-Objective-1x-Magnification-/162158604791?hash=item25c167f1f7:g:KuAAAOSwENxXmgwY

In the meantime, I can confirm that although with 40x you get a very close up view which is good for examining individual components and tracks in detail, it is too much magnification to actually work on SMD boards with!


 

[ataradov]

For PCB work you DEFINITELY want to trade off high zoom for more working distance. (using the 0.5x barlow lens).

Well, SE400-Z at 10x magnification has > 6" of working distance, which is plenty. Wider field of view is a better thing to fight for here.

I will be looking to get a 1x or 2x objective and I'm hoping this will fit:

I'm not an expert on microscopes, so I have no idea.

[WaveyDipole]

My eyepieces are prefixed with just 'W' rather than 'WF' but hopefully these do have a wide view which I agree would be important. You need adequate magnification to see clearly, but no so much that the view becomes too narrow to work with and vibrates with the slightest touch!

I've just edited my previous post to indicate that I have now purchased that 1x objective. Here's hoping that it will give me that 6'' of clearance!

[WaveyDipole]

My Bresser objective arrived yesterday, but it does not fit. Otherwise it looks identical but slightly bigger. It would seem that although these differently branded instruments look the same and as though they have come out of the same factory, it would seem that the fittings vary. For the ops benefit I would like to mention that that the x1 objective would have provided me with with approximately 8in (20cm) of space to work with. The magnification would have been fine. Its a shame it didn't fit.

[Rupunzell]

Microscopes were discussed here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/please-recommend-a-microscope-for-up-close-pcb-work-$200-$50-or-so/


Bernice

Good evening friends of the forum. Sorry for my of malicious by google translator;)
  I would be willing to purchase a stereo microscope to work with SMD.
Unfortunately I do not understand how the discourse of the lenses, zoom etc.
My doubt is that, I would do with the stereo microscope and meanwhile welded with both welder with hot air, as loius Rossman in his videos.
my doubt is the working distance between these two products Amscope SM-4TZ or SM-4TP
I wanted to know if the model with 90X zoom is suitable to work or do I take that to 45X? my doubt is always for the working distance because I would like to settle and meanwhile see the components. That is fine as well as 90X that is enough for me zoom out simply?
I thank you for your eventual answer

[KL27x]

To break it down:

Amscope stereo zoom miscroscope with standard 10x eyepiece give 7x - 45x zoom.

If the scope comes with a 0.5x Barlow lens, the scope will be advertised as 3.5-45X. But it will only give you 3.5x-22.5X with the barlow on there. And 7x-45x with the barlow removed. The barlow will DOUBLE the focal distance, increasing working distance and also double the maximum field of view.

7x-90x means is comes with a 2x barlow, which is useless for electronics. Again, 7-45x without the barlow, and 14-90x with the 2x barlow attached, halving the focal distance and halving the maximum field of view.

SM-4TZ described as 3.5-90x. If you read description, it comes with both a 0.5x barlow AND a 2x barlow. And light ring.

SM-4TP is the same thing but does not come with any barlow lenses nor any light ring.

Since an Amscope 0.5x Barlow costs $50.00, here, in US - and light ring with PSU another 65.00ish,  I suspect you want to buy the SM-4TZ and put the 0.5X barlow on there. Toss the 2x lens in a drawer. This is more or less the setup most of us use. But do the math for yourself.

[DTJ]

To break it down:

Amscope stereo zoom miscroscope with standard 10x eyepiece give 7x - 45x zoom.

If the scope comes with a 0.5x Barlow lens, the scope will be advertised as 3.5-45X. But it will only give you 3.5x-22.5X with the barlow on there. And 7x-45x with the barlow removed. The barlow will DOUBLE the focal distance, increasing working distance and also double the maximum field of view.

Follow this advice and you will not be disappointed! It's a great combination.