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2N3055:

--- Quote from: DaneLaw on October 11, 2023, 12:49:12 am ---
--- Quote from: ptluis on October 10, 2023, 10:13:07 pm ---... Of course Micsig scope are expensive for the features they offer, but they sell Tablet scopes. I don't understand why companies like Rigol, Siglent, don't release a tablet scope, even owon did it.

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How are they expensive for the features you get?
when I did my due diligence, they were surprisingly cheap for all the features you get, no other entry-scope had the same feature palette out of the box.

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You must be confused..
They don't have anything except basic features..

TO2004 Plus is a 1000€ scope...According to manual it doesn't even have statistics on measurements...
for 1000 € you can buy Rigol MSO5000 or almost Siglent SDS2104X+. Those scopes are a space ship in comparison.

TO2004 is very basic scope that is portable.
Don't get me wrong. I own Micsig STO1104C. It is well made, good quality device and I like it a lot. I bought it for portability.
But as a scope it is basic scope without any advanced analysis.
They have some very nice stuff, like LP filters in channels, 1 good math channel, good table mode in decoding.
And since I got it for 450€ it was very good buy.

1000€ for completely same scope with more BW and memory, but still same limitations is not a good deal, unless you really need a scope that has 200MHz BW, has to be portable and you don't need advanced capabilities.

Micsig scopes are not (not even the most expensive one) very advanced as scopes go. But they are pretty much only serious tablet scope manufacturer, and if you absolutely need tablet type scope they are the go to. Simple but good and well made...

ptluis:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 11, 2023, 11:52:27 am ---
--- Quote from: DaneLaw on October 11, 2023, 12:49:12 am ---
--- Quote from: ptluis on October 10, 2023, 10:13:07 pm ---... Of course Micsig scope are expensive for the features they offer, but they sell Tablet scopes. I don't understand why companies like Rigol, Siglent, don't release a tablet scope, even owon did it.

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How are they expensive for the features you get?
when I did my due diligence, they were surprisingly cheap for all the features you get, no other entry-scope had the same feature palette out of the box.

--- End quote ---

You must be confused..
They don't have anything except basic features..

TO2004 Plus is a 1000€ scope...According to manual it doesn't even have statistics on measurements...
for 1000 € you can buy Rigol MSO5000 or almost Siglent SDS2104X+. Those scopes are a space ship in comparison.

TO2004 is very basic scope that is portable.
Don't get me wrong. I own Micsig STO1104C. It is well made, good quality device and I like it a lot. I bought it for portability.
But as a scope it is basic scope without any advanced analysis.
They have some very nice stuff, like LP filters in channels, 1 good math channel, good table mode in decoding.
And since I got it for 450€ it was very good buy.

1000€ for completely same scope with more BW and memory, but still same limitations is not a good deal, unless you really need a scope that has 200MHz BW, has to be portable and you don't need advanced capabilities.

Micsig scopes are not (not even the most expensive one) very advanced as scopes go. But they are pretty much only serious tablet scope manufacturer, and if you absolutely need tablet type scope they are the go to. Simple but good and well made...

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That's what I mean, investment vs features vs needs, for 1000 and some euros I could get a better scope and need to think carefully if my decision will be the more adequate. That's why I'm also considering owon tablet scopes. Tablet scopes are more practical for auto stuff. I use more often OBD scanners for the job, and this purchase will be more like a all around scope for other tasks besides auto stuff.

As I said previously I use my bench siglent sds1104x-e or
other times sds1202x-e with a lithium 600w powerpack and make it portable. It works just fine, but now it's time for a real portable solution Tablet format, battery powered, with features as close as possible to the sds1104x-e. I even thought in converting this model to battery power only, but I don't have much time actually and need to find schematics first.

I'm not saying Micsig are bad, or poor quality, but need to think wisely and search for more options before spending my money and regret later.

And btw, for me there's no perfect scope, but there are adequate scopes, for certain tasks, some more some less.

Some years ago when I had the need for a 8ch scope I bought a picoscope, and it was a marvellous piece of equipment, very adequate for my needs at that time. When the project was shutdown due to the COVID thing I sold it. Normally I rotate equipments frequently, I have no problems in buying 2nd hand equipments.

csuhi17:
Both Micsig and Owon are good, Micsig seems basic to me, compared to the features of the other scopes.
however, the builds look good and it has a lot of memory. 

What bothers me is that there are almost no updates on it.  When was the last time you came to the older TO1104, the server doesn't even work anymore, it keeps throwing errors.
I wrote to Micsig but they haven't replied yet.

I bought the STO2202C when it was released, the next series came a few months later and they forgot about it.
There has only been one update for it so far, but I think it has many shortcomings. 

Now i'm thinking of buying a RIGOL DHO9?4S scope.
And I only keep the Micsig and the Owon next to it and pass the other smaller ones.

Fungus:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 11, 2023, 11:52:27 am ---TO2004 Plus is a 1000€ scope...According to manual it doesn't even have statistics on measurements...

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You keep on repeating that but in all my time as a Micsig owner I never needed that.

I'll take the big screen, the UI, the portability, the serial decoders, etc., over my previous Rigol DS1054Z every time, even though that one had statistics.

Some features simply aren't showstoppers for everybody. Get over it.


--- Quote from: ptluis on October 11, 2023, 03:22:00 pm ---And btw, for me there's no perfect scope, but there are adequate scopes, for certain tasks, some more some less.

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If you have a Siglent on your bench then look at the Micsig's differences, not its features.

Maybe also look at the new Rigol DHOs. They have some very fancy segmented memory modes and can easily be made portable (use a USB powerbank).

Fungus:

--- Quote from: csuhi17 on October 11, 2023, 04:07:09 pm ---What bothers me is that there are almost no updates on it.

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Yep. They've made a new hardware revision or two but they seem to have stopped working on the firmware features a few years ago. Just a few little extras could put them back in the race as frontrunners.

The current firmware and UI is very creatively designed, pretty much bug free, and must have taken a huge effort to write. I don't know what's holding them back.

eg. Statistics wouldn't take them more than a day or two to add and it's a showstopper for some. All it needs is a extra button at the bottom of the screen to turn it on/off and another 20 lines of code in the measurement calculation. Push out an update to all the existing users and the amount of good will generated would garantee them a lot of new sales.

But, noooo...  :-//

I guess it's just bad management at the company. Maybe the original owner left (or the original programmers...)

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