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csuhi17:
This is exactly why I buy Rigol.

 The Micsig that I have is perfect, with minor or major shortcomings, the newer edition is not enough for me to buy it next to the current one, I have already fallen in love with it, I will not sell it.

The TO1104 was $300 when I bought the STO and around $600.
But Micsig lacks a few skills for me.
2N3055:

--- Quote from: Fungus on October 11, 2023, 04:29:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 11, 2023, 11:52:27 am ---TO2004 Plus is a 1000€ scope...According to manual it doesn't even have statistics on measurements...

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You keep on repeating that but in all my time as a Micsig owner I never needed that.

I'll take the big screen, the UI, the portability, the serial decoders, etc., over my previous Rigol DS1054Z every time, even though that one had statistics.

Some features simply aren't showstoppers for everybody. Get over it.


--- Quote from: ptluis on October 11, 2023, 03:22:00 pm ---And btw, for me there's no perfect scope, but there are adequate scopes, for certain tasks, some more some less.

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If you have a Siglent on your bench then look at the Micsig's differences, not its features.

Maybe also look at the new Rigol DHOs. They have some very fancy segmented memory modes and can easily be made portable (use a USB powerbank).

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I'm not saying they are showstoppers. But you cannot call something advanced if there is nothing on it...
In comparison to Siglent SD1104X-E Micsig is very low on features. Only thing Micisg has better is lowpass  filters in channels .
But as you keep saying, that is not a showstopper..

New Rigols are currently bugfest alpha stage scope like devices. In a a year or two maybe the get it together. Today, between Rigol and Micsig, just get Micsig. It is simple but works..
If OP has SDS1104X-E DHO800 brings nothing new to the table, in fact brings less. 12 Bit are only thing it has and OP has no stated use for that.

And don't get me started on DHO800 "segmented" modes. It is completely useless and have no practical applications. Once you receive your DHO800 you will soon realize that too. It is only there to make another checkmark in datasheet and to have something cool looking in demo mode on exhibition booths and stores..

csuhi17:
If you wrote the above to me, I would appreciate it and think about it.
DaneLaw:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 11, 2023, 11:52:27 am ---
--- Quote from: DaneLaw on October 11, 2023, 12:49:12 am ---
--- Quote from: ptluis on October 10, 2023, 10:13:07 pm ---... Of course Micsig scope are expensive for the features they offer, but they sell Tablet scopes. I don't understand why companies like Rigol, Siglent, don't release a tablet scope, even owon did it.

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How are they expensive for the features you get?
when I did my due diligence, they were surprisingly cheap for all the features you get, no other entry-scope had the same feature palette out of the box.

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You must be confused..
They don't have anything except basic features..

TO2004 Plus is a 1000€ scope...According to manual it doesn't even have statistics on measurements...
for 1000 € you can buy Rigol MSO5000 or almost Siglent SDS2104X+. Those scopes are a space ship in comparison.

TO2004 is very basic scope that is portable.
Don't get me wrong. I own Micsig STO1104C. It is well made, good quality device and I like it a lot. I bought it for portability.
But as a scope it is basic scope without any advanced analysis.
They have some very nice stuff, like LP filters in channels, 1 good math channel, good table mode in decoding.
And since I got it for 450€ it was very good buy.

1000€ for completely same scope with more BW and memory, but still the same limitations is not a good deal, unless you really need a scope that has 200MHz BW, has to be portable and you don't need advanced capabilities.

Micsig scopes are not (not even the most expensive one) very advanced as scopes go. But they are pretty much only serious tablet scope manufacturer, and if you absolutely need tablet type scope they are the go to. Simple but good and well made...

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Dizzy or not, it seems to have gone over your head, it was a reply to a generalizing statement about Micsig portable scopes & the portable tablet-market in general and how Micsig models stands out there, "featurewise".
Taking elevated specs in a model-line TO2000 series that starts at 450 euros in Europe (+vat) for the 200Mhz bandwidh, 10.1 screen, 2ch (TO2002) and comparing an elevated version (TO2004) to more expensive bench scopes.. makes little sense..(apples to oranges)

- People looking at portable scopes likely needs that crucial "portability" while secondary aspects - like certain statistics etc, literally come second, even aspects that you perhaps value and are fundamental for your bench scope, are likely not the case for everyone else...we all have different needs and the task we are gonna use our scopes at.
"Portability" usually dont make scope meters cheaper or result in more features, just as we see on portable spectrum analyzers... It tends to
get expensive, and often with ltd features but that is another fish.

Im not familiar with any portable scopes that give more features, than Micsig portable tablet models, and got so strong specs for like 350 to 600 euro.
You can compare portable scopes in elevated spec-rigging to big bench scopes in their entry rigging, to the cows come home, but it's two different segments in my view.
If OP wanted a bench scope, like MSO5000 or Siglent 2000X series, he would likely look for that.

Migsig's expected MDO line (est. Dec 2023), I don't think that is a portable unit' so on that fellow, go berserk and hump "likes for likes" with your exampled Rigol & Siglent bench scopes..(MDO/ETO screen dump below, OS seems to differ quite a bit)
Most things on the MDO seem to match their ETO, which on the other hand is portable, but has not been released in the West (yet tmk)..- Its a 500Mhz scope, 3Gs, 360Meg, 14" screen 1920x1200p  my guess it will be around 3k euro.. You can compare that to the 350Mhz MSO5000 from Rigol that out of the box' cost around the same 2900 euro on Batronix. (goes without saying nobody that is familiar with the h-backdoors' would buy that 350Mhz Rigol, alongside other models where price-logic is flushed-out with the bathwater in their max'ed outfit.)


Portable tablet scopes, not many on the market.. Mostly Micsig & Tektronix MSO2series comes to mind. fx MSO24 with 500Mhz BW 10" screen 2.5Gs, 10meg/ch goes for 14.000 euro locally online-resellers like RS with only the BW option as per se incl., - but then you also get 4x 200Mhz passive probes with it...also looks like the MSO2 portability with the needed battery is an option at another grand/+1k Euro, and not incl. - and sure' a wild guess, is that this entry tablet-line MSO2 from Tek has way more adv features on the fly, than Micsig's ETO 500Mhz 14.1" 360meg, 3Gs 14" Tablet jobby - but you certainly also paying for it, - even though the MSO2 waveform update leaves some to be desired, according to Dave's vid, even my 355 euro tablet scope seems to be faster (I doubt that).

Micsig tablet-scopes are a budget line, and the more expensive versions with higher specs, 50 Ohm, active probe interface, segm mem etc - are built on top of that.
IF you look up Misig older portable models with isolated channels etc, that came in the more classic scope/DMM design - like MS310 and MS510.. they were price-wise from around 2k and up.

Its no secret that my biggest grape with Micsig, aint the hardware... like it a lot, its fundamentally very nice hardware.. it's the lackluster support from Micsig and how defect OTA updates just hang for years, like everybody left the boat..both xxx128 and xxx129 got issues, as mentioned in the other Micsig thread
Aalso dont like the way they are jack'ng of certain owners that gave input/feedback, as Micsig was hard set on giving the impression that it was a living ecosystem, that would get new apps. new features, and they listened to their userbase, - also recalled mention of Android OS updates.
Even small minor things, like I mentioned to them that would elevate some of the scope's strengths, - like fx connecting one of the clickable rotary knobs to intensity grading that could fx get activated with the shift button or knob click.

Btw I recall talks about mouse, keyboard & hub etc.
For those purpose there doesnt seem to be a limit that I reached.. tried with 3 at once, keyboard/trackpad, mouse, and airmouse and they all worked alongside each other from the scope's single USB port, same with the keyboard shortcuts.
- when it senses keyboard it will ask for your language, and it seems to have full support for all the keyboard languages. works in scope app-mode and in Android mode, fx in Office on the scope, when working with saved data, fx in Excel sheets on the scope - you can obviously adjust cursor speed/sensitivity in the settings on the scope..  https://tinyurl.com/3vb7sr5r
ptluis:
It's been interesting to read your opinions about micsig, and there are very interesting points that help in my choice.

 I have a question for owners of a micsig: ​​how can I make a backup of the firmware in case I need to restore the system in the future?  since micsig does not provide firmware on the website. 

12bits, I don't need 12bits, 8 bits are enough, but if they come in addition, so much the better.

Rigol DHO8xx, a problem I see for myself is the size of the screen, and the memory on the 4 active channels is only 1Mpts, but I'm waiting for the possible hacks to be made on this model.  In any case, I do not put this model out of the question. 

Some of the advantages of the micsig TO2004 is that it has a lot of memory and 1Gs/s on 4ch and 2Gs/s on 2ch simultaneously.

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