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Offline TheAmmoniacal

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Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« on: July 08, 2019, 10:29:39 am »
The people behind the popular TS-100 and TS-80 soldering irons and the DS mini oscilloscopes have released a new product, the MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set. Consisting of a power supply and smart monitor module.

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Product Characteristics:
2.4G wireless connection, supporting a Display Control as well as six Digital Powers.
DC wide voltage input between 4.2V and 30V, reduced up to 2.7V after startup.
High-speed transient response and over current protection, as fast as 4uS.
Extremely low load regulation and intelligent line loss compensation.
High efficiency and natural heat dissipation with 90W of capacity load.
Support positive & negative pressure, series pressurization, parallel current sharing, free combination of collaborative load, and intelligent power allocation.
Security Protections: input overvoltage, under-voltage protection, anti-reverse connection protection, anti-backflow protection, overtemperature protection, and over current protection.

What do you guys think? No prices yet.

http://www.miniware.com.cn/product/mdp-xp-digital-power-supply-set/



« Last Edit: July 08, 2019, 10:31:13 am by TheAmmoniacal »
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2019, 12:43:28 pm »
What do you guys think? No prices yet.

A decent video would have been nice, one showing the device powered up at least anyway.



 
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2019, 12:55:59 pm »
It's not isolated, which is how they get the power and efficiency.
Having separate power leads for each module (plus extra one for the controller) is really messy.

It's actually part of a min-lab style suite of modules they have planned.
 
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2019, 12:57:32 pm »
What do you guys think? No prices yet.

About US$220 for the two module set.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2019, 07:21:41 pm »
I just bought one of these, it'll be here next Wednesday.  I also have the ES121 screwdriver, TS80 soldering iron, LA104 logic analyzer, and DSO203 oscilloscope from them, and I'm really looking forward to adding this to the set.  Gonna get one of those plastic waterproof cases with a shapeable foam insert to carry everything around in and I'll be able to troubleshoot and repair nearly anything, anywhere.  I love how the design aesthetic is the same across most of their tools, they look like they're part of the same set.  Now if they'd just come out with a multimeter to match everything else...
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2019, 07:54:49 am »
Here have a review of MDP-XP power supply

 
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2019, 08:26:33 pm »
It looks "progressive" for 2010 like iPods iPhones etc  :-DD
But my thumb is too big for this toy
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2019, 08:05:36 pm »
It would be an interesting device if it would have a pc software and can be controlled over wifi with own written scripts or some API to control it. I could think of several uses for repair shops/labs. Other than that don't see much of a need in one, especially taking into account its price.
Really, hope it would have some software/connection to pc/wifi network, but don't think it will happen, as there are no products with pc software from miniware I've seen (didn't search though) or a possibility that it will kill the sales of its control module.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2019, 10:13:13 am »
I started to reverse it.
At the moment I found the following:
RF modules - NRF24L01+, Channel 78, Rate 2MB, CRC16, Len 32.
The packets looks like:

Screen Module sends:
0706423274C40001480000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Power module answers like:
071B000003150000467000900040040040040040040040040000100155600000

Some bytes meanings:


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Bytes     Value    Coding
4-5          Temp   BCD
float t = (buff[4] * 10.0) + (buff[5] >> 4) +((buff[5] & 0x0F) / 10.0);
7-9        Vin         BCD
float Vi = (buff[7] * 10.0) + (buff[8] >> 4) +((buff[8] & 0x0F) / 10.0) + ((buff[9] >> 4) / 100.0) + ((buff[9] & 0x0F) / 1000.0);
11-12     Vout       Word LSB
float Vo = (buff[11] + (buff[12] <<  8  ))/ 2030.0;
24-26     Vset       BCD
float Vs = (buff[24] * 10.0) + (buff[25] >> 4) + ((buff[25] & 0x0F) / 10.0) + ((buff[26] >> 4) / 100.0) + ((buff[26] & 0x0F) / 1000.0);
27-28     Iset       BCD
float Is = (buff[27] >> 4) + ((buff[27] & 0x0F) / 10.0) + ((buff[28] >> 4) / 100.0) + ((buff[28] & 0x0F) / 1000.0);
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2019, 02:21:37 pm »
Update. Rather crazy programming idea. Byte 11 has wrong range 0-152.


 
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2019, 07:31:26 pm »
Marco Reps has done a review of the MDP PSU as well



As is typical, he goes off on a few tangents, and it has plenty of his strange German humour.
He finds a few issues, in particular the output voltage being higher that set.  Not sure if he had updated firmware as shown in that other review.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2019, 08:22:04 pm »
Has anyone found a way to purchase just the power supply module in the US? I don't really need the scope display feature if I can set the voltage/current on the power supply module itself.

I found the FCC page for it which is very recent, submitted on 05/27/19 and approved ~08/23/2019.
https://fccid.io/2ATIFMDP-P905

 
 
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2019, 08:13:54 am »
I just purchased a module without the display bit on Aliexpress, "no wackers" as Dave says:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000188543331.html
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2019, 08:16:22 am »
By the way, is it the same "2.4GHz proprietary protocol" stack that this board supports?:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32971408654.html

I'm thinking on buying that dev board instead of the typical NRF24L01+'s, seems like getting more bang for the buck since it supports ANT and other protocols, not just 2.4GHz.
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2019, 12:34:50 pm »
By the way, is it the same "2.4GHz proprietary protocol" stack that this board supports?:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32971408654.html

I'm thinking on buying that dev board instead of the typical NRF24L01+'s, seems like getting more bang for the buck since it supports ANT and other protocols, not just 2.4GHz.

Self-replying, yup, it's the same and compatible:

https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.nordic.infocenter.sdk5.v15.3.0%2Fgetting_started_precompiled.html
Enhanced ShockBurst (ESB) for the nRF5 Series is a simple, lightweight protocol, that is on-air compatible with Nordic's nRF24Lxx devices. ESB for the nRF5 Series provides a simple upgrade path for nRF24Lxx based applications.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2019, 12:42:58 am »
I purchased one of the MDP-P905 power supply units.  I'm quite pleased with it so far.  I've only supplied up to 60W with it, but I personally didn't see the output voltage rising to compensate.

It is kind of a niche product, but it is very useful to me for university use.  I doubt I will ever use it on my bench though.  You can completely turn off the button and encoder beeping which is a relief.

As for the display unit, I honestly don't see the point of it.  Now if it was a touch screen, and they utilized this to make a nice UI for data entry that might have been useful.

I probably would have went with the uSupply Dave is working on. Except, I needed something now and went with what was available.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2019, 02:54:26 am »
Got the MDP-P905 only version.

I find it really annoying that I can't just connect my Apple Macbook 13" USB-C charger to it, instead I'll have to go with barrel jack, wall wart or some kind of USB-C-to-barrel conversion cable like:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32996464270.html

If somebody has modified the MDP-P905 somehow so that it works with apple chargers (USB-C PD), I would very much like to know ;)

... my Trust power bank (https://www.trust.com/en/product/21858-omni-ultra-fast-powerbank-10-000-mah-usb-c) does work to power it up either :_/
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2019, 03:26:39 am »
I don't think there is anything you can do except get an intermediary between the PD connector and the barrel connection like you mentioned (no clue how well those work).  The device only supports QC 3.0 on the USB-C connector.  I have a 24W QC 3.0 adapter and a QC compatible USB-A to USB-C cable (as well as a QC 3.0 compatible battery pack).  Those all work and supply 12V to the input.

Of course, you can just get a dedicated AC-DC adapter for the barrel connector.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 08:16:47 am »
But, but... my Trust powerbank is QC3.0 compatible, see the link above and/or screenshot below:

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The MDP-P905 does not turn on when connecting to this powerbank... are you sure that's the only requirement that's off on my setup? Any good samaritan based in Melbourne that could lend me an USB-C/PD debugger?

Bizarre, I guess I'll have to go for the barrel jack for now :/
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2019, 02:12:36 pm »
The MDP-P905 does not turn on when connecting to this powerbank... are you sure that's the only requirement that's off on my setup?

I'm certainly not sure.  My unit comes on just fine using the USB-C port from a battery pack with neither PD or QC.  It also comes on fine using one of those Apple USB wall adapters they sale with iPads.
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 03:14:04 pm »
I just received mine, and can confirm that it does not support PD or activate USB-C ports, at least on my unit.  I'm looking into firmware updates, but I'm doubtful.

It's a shame because in my testing so far, it's otherwise perfect.  I'm at a loss why they wouldn't have included it; combined with a 20V/5A capable USB-C/PD power bank you could have an incredible portable power supply.

edit Well.. this is bad.  I tried to update the firmware on my power unit (MDP-P905) and it failed; each time I drop the MDP_P905.hex file onto the DFU drive it reboots and returns MDP_P905.err.  The P905 won't start normally anymore; it always enters DFU mode when powered up normally.  I hope this isn't bricked.  Anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 09:14:52 pm »
But, but... my Trust powerbank is QC3.0 compatible, see the link above and/or screenshot below:

The MDP-P905 does not turn on when connecting to this powerbank... are you sure that's the only requirement that's off on my setup? Any good samaritan based in Melbourne that could lend me an USB-C/PD debugger?

Bizarre, I guess I'll have to go for the barrel jack for now :/

Did you try both ports?
I have a PSU with C and A ports and they behave differently, maybe only the A port supports QC3 or something.

I just received mine, and can confirm that it does not support PD or activate USB-C ports, at least on my unit.  I'm looking into firmware updates, but I'm doubtful.

It's a shame because in my testing so far, it's otherwise perfect.  I'm at a loss why they wouldn't have included it; combined with a 20V/5A capable USB-C/PD power bank you could have an incredible portable power supply.

Because its expensive and time intensive to implement PD.
You can get a PD board, set it to 20V output, and use it as an inline adapter if you want:

https://hackaday.com/2019/10/18/usb-power-delivery-for-all-the-things/
https://www.cypress.com/documentation/development-kitsboards/cy4533-ez-pd-bcr-evaluation-kit
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2019, 09:58:00 pm »
I've actually already got a MakerHawk PD cable set to 20V and it works fine ... it just surprised me that given how much effort they clearly put into the product, they wouldn't add PD support.  It seems like such an obvious feature for this kind of device and would eliminate one more thing we have to keep in our kit.

All that aside, my MDP-P905 is hosed now.  The firmware upgrade failed, and now it won't boot past the DFU.  I've tried flashing both v1.20.067 and v1.21.034 using both the .hex file, and the MDP_ADR.ADR + svn80.bin file (according to the readme).  The .bin file actually succeeded (or at least the files were renamed to .SET and .RDY), but it still won't boot past the DFU.

I'll try emailing service@minidso.com to see if they have any suggestions.

Does anyone here know of any method to .. ehm.. factory reset.. or have any other suggestions?
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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2019, 11:04:33 pm »
I've actually already got a MakerHawk PD cable set to 20V and it works fine ... it just surprised me that given how much effort they clearly put into the product, they wouldn't add PD support.  It seems like such an obvious feature for this kind of device and would eliminate one more thing we have to keep in our kit.

This one: https://www.amazon.com/MakerHawk-Converter-Multifunction-Multimeter-Instruments/dp/B07H3NKKBY
Or the photo of the cable attached?

I only see a single 3V regulator on the photo of the cable board, can you comment on what chip they are using to negotiate 20V output.
 

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Re: Miniware MDP-XP Digital Power Supply Set
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 03:37:02 am »
I've actually already got a MakerHawk PD cable set to 20V and it works fine ... it just surprised me that given how much effort they clearly put into the product, they wouldn't add PD support.  It seems like such an obvious feature for this kind of device and would eliminate one more thing we have to keep in our kit.

All that aside, my MDP-P905 is hosed now.  The firmware upgrade failed, and now it won't boot past the DFU.  I've tried flashing both v1.20.067 and v1.21.034 using both the .hex file, and the MDP_ADR.ADR + svn80.bin file (according to the readme).  The .bin file actually succeeded (or at least the files were renamed to .SET and .RDY), but it still won't boot past the DFU.

I'll try emailing service@minidso.com to see if they have any suggestions.

Does anyone here know of any method to .. ehm.. factory reset.. or have any other suggestions?

I just know that for whatever reason my desktop is unable to successfully flash the firmware, but my laptop is.  On my desktop it just disconnects trying to transfer the firmware file.  If you have access to a different computer I would give that a try.

As for not supporting PD, I can understand the frustration.  That said, anyone that looked at the specs before purchase should not be surprised at the lack of PD support.  It is pretty clear in stating that it supports QC 3.0.  There is no mention of supporting PD.
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