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MSO5000 Bode Plot Capability: Is it Good Enough? [Many tips about a 1st scope]
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Martin72:

--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 02, 2022, 09:03:22 pm ---Lowering the prince to 1 grand, even without the free perks & options of the MSO5000, would make you sell a lot more of them...

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Or lowering to 800, much more would buy it.
Life could be so easy.  ;)
balnazzar:

--- Quote from: tautech on October 02, 2022, 09:38:14 pm ---Seems you can't read datasheets then, maybe it's time to learn.
1 GSa/s times 1 or 2 for the 4ch Instek ? Answer is 1 as they don't make a 4ch 200 MHz 1000 series whereas the SDS1104X-E is a 200 MHz design using two 1 GSa/a ADC's so to maintain sufficient sampling rate with all channels active at max frequency to ensure it meets Nyquist.

Do we need investigate feature sets next or can I leave that with you ?

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It's always time to learn, of course, but I didn't manage to be understood in this specific context. Here is what I meant, articulated a bit better:

I can read the specs, but I won't find some things in the specs (or in the manuals). For example:

1. If the OS is fast and responsive, compared to Instek's.
2. If the user interface is intuitive to use (again, compared to the Instek's).

Another interesting thing to know is if the Instek can 'zoom out' (AFAIK, Siglent and Rigol can't).
balnazzar:

--- Quote from: Fungus on October 02, 2022, 09:40:59 pm ---
The Instek has one of the most responsive UIs of any 'scope. It also has separate channel controls and a proper button for menu selections, no error-prone pushing of a twisty knob.

It's a very nice little 'scope, I don't believe the bandwidth can be hacked very high though.

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Mh, good to know. I mean, both aspects.
I dunno. I was leaning toward the Instek due to responsiveness (there are threads in which owners report that also). Using a sluggish scope is an experience I already made, and it's incredibly frustrating.
But the Siglent seems to be a better machine, at least on paper. And owners seems to be generally happy.
I have to say, however, that the SDS5000s  I used at the university are not sluggish, but they are not astonishingly fast either (considering the price). I briefly used the Keysight dsox1204 for ten minutes at a fair, and it seemed snappier.

Choosing a scope is proving to be a difficult thing.
Martin72:
Hi,


--- Quote ---1. If the OS is fast and responsive, compared to Instek's.
2. If the user interface is intuitive to use (again, compared to the Instek's).
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Both can be answered by someone who works with all of the mentioned scopes - And then it´s his own impression.
In my case, I got following "scope owning history":

- Rigol DS1000Z
- Rigol DS2000
- Siglent SDS1104X-E
- Rigol MSO5000
- Siglent SDS2000Xplus
- Siglent SDS2000X HD (actual scope)

GW Instek never came into my mind, maybe they making good scopes and nearly nobody knows about, or they knowing about it and this may explain their place by the hobbyists.  ;)



tautech:

--- Quote from: balnazzar on October 02, 2022, 10:02:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on October 02, 2022, 09:40:59 pm ---
The Instek has one of the most responsive UIs of any 'scope. It also has separate channel controls and a proper button for menu selections, no error-prone pushing of a twisty knob.

It's a very nice little 'scope, I don't believe the bandwidth can be hacked very high though.

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Mh, good to know. I mean, both aspects.
I dunno. I was leaning toward the Instek due to responsiveness (there are threads in which owners report that also). Using a sluggish scope is an experience I already made, and it's incredibly frustrating.
But the Siglent seems to be a better machine, at least on paper. And owners seems to be generally happy.
I have to say, however, that the SDS5000s  I used at the university are not sluggish, but they are not astonishingly fast either (considering the price). I briefly used the Keysight dsox1204 for ten minutes at a fair, and it seemed snappier.

Choosing a scope is proving to be a difficult thing.

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It can be unless you take a step back to consider all guidance/advice as to its relevance and importance.

Considered thoughtful and deliberate use sees no need for blindingly fast responsiveness except to satisfy some misguided belief that faster must be better.  :horse:

Feature set and specs determine what one can do with any instrument not how fast it can do it.
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