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Title: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 24, 2014, 07:22:51 am
Here is a list of the most interesting multimeters for electronic work and their main features for a quick comparison. It is not an exhaustive list and will get updated as time goes by.
If you spot some glaring mistakes, let me know and I will correct them.
Don't fret too much about quoted prices, as they vary wildly from one region to another.
If you feel I have left out some worthwhile DMMs, squawk here and I will try to include them.
All meters listed have a count of 6,000 or higher, have auto-ranging and are true RMS.
All meters (except MetraHit M30) must be able to test diodes, resistance, capacitance, frequency and current.
You will find green highlights for above average features and amber highlights for poor or missing important features.
Every cell with a red triangle has a note attached to it.

Some app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained  (https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/1260898_0000_ENG_P_W.PDF)
2. ABC of multimeter safety  (https://content.fluke.com/promotions/promo-dmm/0518-dmm-campaign/dmm/fluke_dmm-chfr/files/safetyguidelines.pdf)
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters  (https://www.fluke.com/en/learn/blog/digital-multimeters/dual-impedance-digital-multimeters)
4. Why true RMS?  (https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/electrical/what-is-true-rms)
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? (https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives  (https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/3291974_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF)
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity  (http://support.fluke.com/find-sales/Download/Asset/2071940_A_w.pdf)
8. Testing your test leads (https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/3185695_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF)
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM  (https://www.fluke.com/en/learn/blog/digital-multimeters/under-utilized-functions-how-to-use-fast-peak-min-max-on-your-dmm)
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters  (http://support.fluke.com/calibration-sales/Download/Asset/2547797_6200_ENG_A_W.PDF)
11.  Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? (https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/9034469_ENG_A_W.PDF)
12. Why ruggedness matters in a digital multimeter (https://www.fluke.com/en/learn/best-practices/test-tools-basics/digital-multimeters/why-ruggedness-matters-in-a-digital-multimeter)
13. Burden voltage (https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/electrical/can-you-live-with-the-burden)

14. National Instruments: Multimeter resolution (http://zone.ni.com/reference/en-XX/help/370384N-01/dmm/resolution_bits_digits/)
15. Fuse marking codes (https://www.swe-check.com.au/pages/learn_fuse_markings.php)

Here are the links for the most recent files (20July20):
Handheld meters (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=1028532)
Bench meters (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=1028530)
Meter EMC testing (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=1074490)
Meter safety testing (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=1071638)

Here is a sample of the database:



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(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=96720;image)
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Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wh1sper on February 24, 2014, 01:19:24 pm
I've just discovered Metraport 32S
Which I found as very useful universal Multimeter

The 40s is the current model.
I think it would fit in the excel list as a further Metrawatt Item.


Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on February 24, 2014, 09:07:59 pm
Thanks for this Wytnucls. It should help people who have no idea what is available.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 25, 2014, 04:53:58 pm
I've just discovered Metraport 32S
Which I found as very useful universal Multimeter

The 40s is the current model.
I think it would fit in the excel list as a further Metrawatt Item.

The 32s is very unusual. Input protection is rather strange. A 380VAC fuse on the mA range and a resettable circuit breaker 240VAC/50VDC, combined with a 500VAC fusible link. The AC bandwidth is not great at 1kHz only.
The form factor may suit some people though.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Fsck on February 25, 2014, 05:19:52 pm
Uh, the BM869 is only 251$ for the meter and ~60$ for the IR connection cable. (tme.eu) (USD cost)
and not everyone really needs the IR cable or computer logging.

you should probably add a little tab for cat 2/3/4 ratings, and possibly scratch off the ratings for meters whose internal construction does not satisfy those ratings.

I really love your idea though.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 25, 2014, 05:59:12 pm
Uh, the BM869 is only 251$ for the meter and ~60$ for the IR connection cable. (tme.eu) (USD cost)
and not everyone really needs the IR cable or computer logging.

you should probably add a little tab for cat 2/3/4 ratings, and possibly scratch off the ratings for meters whose internal construction does not satisfy those ratings.

I really love your idea though.
In Europe, you have to add VAT to the TME prices, which is quite substantial. As I said, those prices will vary from one region to the other. You will have to do your own research to find the best deal, delivered to your house.

CAT ratings are not that important for electronic work. Most of those meters are rated CAT III 1000V/CAT IV 600V anyway. I try to limit tab numbers for better readability. Fuse voltage rating is quoted, which is a good indication of general safety.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Fsck on February 25, 2014, 06:02:34 pm
Uh, the BM869 is only 251$ for the meter and ~60$ for the IR connection cable. (tme.eu) (USD cost)
and not everyone really needs the IR cable or computer logging.

you should probably add a little tab for cat 2/3/4 ratings, and possibly scratch off the ratings for meters whose internal construction does not satisfy those ratings.

I really love your idea though.
In Europe, you have to add VAT to the TME prices, which is quite substantial. As I said, those prices will vary from one region to the other. You will have to do your own research to find the best deal, delivered to your house.

I think it's the same outside of the EU. and I don't believe for outsiders(of EU) that there is a cheaper place to buy from. even Franky got price-stomped on by tme.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 25, 2014, 06:15:50 pm
The latest spreadsheet, with non true RMS meters removed, and some Gossen meters added.
I have cleaned up the layout, with green highlights for best features and amber, for below average ones.

(The spreadsheet is updated in the first post)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: KedasProbe on February 25, 2014, 07:05:04 pm
The BM869 has %4-20mA, maybe you can change temp. to '2'
Maybe also add the BM867
Maybe also add a column to indicate optional connection to PC
Also if possible add a hyperlink in the excel file to the specsheet if available
http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf (http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: dr.diesel on February 25, 2014, 07:13:23 pm
This along with the bench counterpart would make a great Multimeter Comparison page, say on wikipedia (as we have nowhere else the community can colorabate + edit).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 25, 2014, 07:48:36 pm
The BM869 has %4-20mA, maybe you can change temp. to '2'
Maybe also add the BM867
Maybe also add a column to indicate optional connection to PC
Also if possible add a hyperlink in the excel file to the specsheet if available
http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf (http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf)
Thanks, correction will appear soon, BM867 will be included. PC connection is under IR.
Will see about spec sheet.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Legit-Design on February 25, 2014, 10:02:33 pm
What about including some actual measurements and tests from meters? We should have good data about some of the meters from this forum alone. I know it might be a lot of work, but cheaper meters like Uni-t always have their quirks. Like ut61e  has high burden voltage because of the relatively high value resistors in current range, where as ut61d as example has low burden voltage. From what I've understood from EEVblog and TheAmpHour Fluke meters always exceed their specs, because all the drift of all the components has been included in the error calculations of the specs.
Specs quoted from manufacturers don't always tell the whole truth, for example ut61e can also measure hertz far higher than what they actually tell in spec.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on February 25, 2014, 10:22:54 pm
I can see why you might want independent specs or performance included in this but these are variable and have nothing to do with what is promised by the manufacturer. One person's experience is not guaranteed in anyway and could mislead someone to buy something based on mistaken results or fanboyism. Maybe a simple index of whether the meters generally meet their spec and build quality would be in order but it would be a horrendously huge task to compile such a meta opinion.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2014, 12:11:45 am
The latest spreadsheet was updated with a few meters added and also with hyperlinks to each manufacturer's internet site.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Nermash on February 26, 2014, 08:21:52 am
If I may, only two small points to be corrected IMHO:

1. Fluke 87V does not have LowZ mode
2. Both Fluke 287/289 have InputAlert jack warning
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wh1sper on February 26, 2014, 08:44:00 am
The 32s is very unusual. Input protection is rather strange. A 380VAC fuse on the mA range and a resettable circuit breaker 240VAC/50VDC, combined with a 500VAC fusible link. The AC bandwidth is not great at 1kHz only.
The form factor may suit some people though.
I like it very much, because it has an unique hold feature, it allows to connect the test object, wait for acoustical feedback. The measure is frozen until I drop it.
And the continuity test is incredible fast; about 50ms!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2014, 08:46:10 am
If I may, only two small points to be corrected IMHO:

1. Fluke 87V does not have LowZ mode
2. Both Fluke 287/289 have InputAlert jack warning
Thanks Nermash, corrected.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2014, 09:09:56 am
Most of the Gossen meters have that auto hold feature. If the next measurement is very close to the first one (less than 100 digits on the 26S), you get two beeps . If the new measurement is different, only one beep.
The first measurement is used as the reference throughout.

The 32s is only rated CAT II 300V, which is fine for automotive or electronic work.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wh1sper on February 26, 2014, 09:34:50 am
Most of the Gossen meters have that auto hold feature. If the next measurement is very close to the first one (less than 100 digits on the 26S), you get two beeps . If the new measurement is different, only one beep.
The first measurement is used as the reference throughout.

The 32s is only rated CAT II 300V, which is fine for automotive or electronic work.

As this is my first Gossen after 10th of years this was new to me.
I like it!
My first was one of the first 3-1/2 DMM ever. Nothing more than displaying the Measurement :-)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: TMM on February 26, 2014, 10:07:53 am
Uni-T UT71 is rated at 5A continuous ;)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: BravoV on February 26, 2014, 10:19:11 am
Great work , thanks !  :-+

Although there are many others more, I think these extra specifications are interesting aspect as well, suggesting to add 2 more columns for "Operating" Temperature and Altitude if applicable or stated by the manufacturer.

These are for Fluke :

87 V, 287 and 289 :
Operating Temperature : -20 °C to 55 °C

Operating altitude :
87 V : 2000 m
287 & 289 : 3000 m

Again, just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2014, 10:50:43 am
Uni-T UT71 is rated at 5A continuous ;)
Oops, quite right, forgot about that. The 61E too.
Corrected.
Also added Fluke 187 and 189 to the list.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2014, 10:53:40 am
Great work , thanks !  :-+
Although there are many others more, I think these extra specifications are interesting aspect as well, suggesting to add 2 more columns for "Operating" Temperature and Altitude if applicable or stated by the manufacturer.
These are for Fluke :
87 V, 287 and 289 :
Operating Temperature : -20 °C to 55 °C
Operating altitude :
87 V : 2000 m
287 & 289 : 3000 m
Again, just a suggestion.
Interesting aspects, but they will only affect a minority of users, so best left out I think, but thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: AllanMN on February 26, 2014, 04:34:56 pm
Maybe a simple index of whether the meters generally meet their spec...

I think this would be great, if say, you don't recognize a Fluke from a whatever... Some indication of general "trustworthiness" would be helpful since I only recognize one to two brands.

I just spent some time doing my home style "calibration". I bought a DMM check and in short, my 30 year old Fluke 8050A's spec'd to be about 0.1% accurate, look to be more like 0.01% accurate after 30 years. Some cheap UEI meters are much newer, and at the edge or just outside their specs of 1%.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Frost on February 26, 2014, 04:42:52 pm
Some indication of general "trustworthiness" would be helpful since I only recognize one to two brands.

If it's new, the meter normally will be delivered together with a calibration certificate.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2014, 08:07:58 pm
Maybe a simple index of whether the meters generally meet their spec...

I think this would be great, if say, you don't recognize a Fluke from a whatever... Some indication of general "trustworthiness" would be helpful since I only recognize one to two brands.

I just spent some time doing my home style "calibration". I bought a DMM check and in short, my 30 year old Fluke 8050A's spec'd to be about 0.1% accurate, look to be more like 0.01% accurate after 30 years. Some cheap UEI meters are much newer, and at the edge or just outside their specs of 1%.
Most of these meters are from reputable companies. Some of them come standard with calibration certificates or as an extra option.
You can generally work on price. The few meters from less well known companies, selling for less than 150$, are the most likely to drift over long periods, as they tend to use cheaper components.
Among those, I can only vouch for the UT71 series, two of which I test regularly. My 61E, unfortunately, didn't fare so well.
Most companies still recommend an annual calibration for their meters.

New file: A few more Fluke meters added to the list.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Fsck on February 26, 2014, 08:51:26 pm
Great work , thanks !  :-+

Although there are many others more, I think these extra specifications are interesting aspect as well, suggesting to add 2 more columns for "Operating" Temperature and Altitude if applicable or stated by the manufacturer.

These are for Fluke :

87 V, 287 and 289 :
Operating Temperature : -20 °C to 55 °C

Operating altitude :
87 V : 2000 m
287 & 289 : 3000 m

Again, just a suggestion.


and to the fact that accuracy is not guaranteed outside of 18-28C
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: rsjsouza on February 27, 2014, 01:52:13 am
Wytnucls, this is a great list!
One remark: the Fluke 179 measures frequencies up to 100kHz in both the VAC and VDC, therefore I have the impression its bandwidth is not 1kHz (despite the manual says the bargraph can't be trusted above 1kHz). Maybe I am wrong?

Also, not much love for the BM857A... Possibly due to price/features?

And what about the DT-830?  :o
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2014, 02:13:33 am
I'll do the CEM meters shortly.
Bandwidth is quoted for TRMS accuracy, usually until 1 dB of attenuation. It has nothing to do with the frequency counter.
For instance:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=83188;image)


New file being loaded with older Fluke and Yokogawa meters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: rsjsouza on February 27, 2014, 11:17:17 am
Thanks! Learned something today.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Galenbo on February 27, 2014, 12:41:16 pm
Nice list, 2 things can be added:

* (configurable) auto off
* dial knob with only off-volt-ohm-amp or with 20+positions (there is some correlation with autorange)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Marvin on February 27, 2014, 02:28:22 pm
Well one thing that you don't have is manufacturer specified battery running time - as this is handheld list some of the models have really awful running times that I weigh in when comparing models.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: SoundTech-LG on February 27, 2014, 05:04:42 pm
Great!!!

I started a little Fluke file.

Here's what I got so far using your spreadsheet. double check my entries. The accuracy, I am not sure how you entered that.


Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Nermash on February 27, 2014, 05:14:39 pm
Fluke 115 does not have LowZ mode and it does not have proper jack detection. It only displays "Lead" warningn when you turn the switch to current measurement.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: SoundTech-LG on February 27, 2014, 05:44:26 pm
Good catch on LowZ. At least it gives you visual warning on the current leads. Maybe a separate column for that?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2014, 06:43:50 pm
Fluke 115 does not have LowZ mode and it does not have proper jack detection. It only displays "Lead" warningn when you turn the switch to current measurement.
It has a LoZ feature for capacitance measurement. The feature may not work for ghost voltage detection though. Fluke still calls it LoZ mode.

Lead warning is just that, but it is an attempt at better safety on the current jacks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2014, 06:47:44 pm
Great!!!

I started a little Fluke file.

Here's what I got so far using your spreadsheet. double check my entries. The accuracy, I am not sure how you entered that.
I limit the file to meters with a resolution of at least 6000.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2014, 06:54:41 pm
Nice list, 2 things can be added:
* (configurable) auto off
* dial knob with only off-volt-ohm-amp or with 20+positions (there is some correlation with autorange)
Just about all meters in the list have an auto-off feature, except for the 61E. Configurable is nice, but not a major deal breaker.
I have to limit the number of columns to the most relevant information for readability. It is not meant to list all the meter features.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on February 28, 2014, 12:30:18 pm
Latest file uploaded. Added UEI, Ideal, Prova and BK Precision meters and some extra meter information.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 04, 2014, 02:14:45 am
File updated with Mastech, Victor, Vichy and Extech multimeters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: BravoV on March 04, 2014, 06:01:42 am
Fluke 115 does not have LowZ mode and it does not have proper jack detection. It only displays "Lead" warningn when you turn the switch to current measurement.

It has a LoZ feature for capacitance measurement. The feature may not work for ghost voltage detection though. Fluke still calls it LoZ mode.

I thought when people talking about DMM's LoZ input "mostly" is for voltage measurement ?

Putting it at LoZ column probably may misleads readers, maybe another extra column for "LoZ Cap" ?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on March 04, 2014, 06:03:53 am
This is a really impressive undertaking Wyt. I will find this extensively useful.

Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 05, 2014, 11:01:22 am
I thought when people talking about DMM's LoZ input "mostly" is for voltage measurement ?
Putting it at LoZ column probably may misleads readers, maybe another extra column for "LoZ Cap"


I can't add too many columns. I will add a note to mark the difference.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 06, 2014, 10:32:46 am
New file uploaded with a few extra meters and duty cycle feature added.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 08, 2014, 03:49:14 am
New files with Chauvin Arnoux Metrix multimeters added.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 10, 2014, 08:05:16 am
New list with the true RMS V&A multimeters.
http://www.mastech.com.cn/ (http://www.mastech.com.cn/)
The Shanghai company seems to have split up from Mastech.
They make a lot of advanced meters, but the quality of assembly was rather shaky in the past. Hopefully things have improved now. To be confirmed.

(http://www.mastech.com.cn/images/products/p-2/va55-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: ttp on March 10, 2014, 09:01:07 am
Great work! One tiny error I've noticed - Brymen BM867 does have 4-20mA measurement.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 10, 2014, 12:17:13 pm
Quite right. Will be updated in the next upload. Thanks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lunasix on March 10, 2014, 05:56:41 pm
Great works !

A small precision : Metrahit 28S (and some others I think) can be connected to PT100, PT1000, K and J thermocouples.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 11, 2014, 01:55:34 am
Yes, 28S and 29S can handle K and J type probes.
18S, 25S and 26S Pt100/1000 only
The listed current Gossen meters can do Pt100/1000 and K type.
Only the 30M has the 4 wire temperature measurement capability.
Will update the file shortly.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Deckert on March 12, 2014, 12:20:50 am
Fantastic job!

Technically the BM867 and BM869 both have auto-hold through the record function (i.e. beeps with every new max and min value). So, to auto-hold, just switch to record, take your measurement, wait for the beep, and look at the max (or min) display. Not sure if the others in the BM range have a record function.

Will you be adding a column for frequency measurement and max frequency it can measure? (not to be confused with the AC/TRMS max bandwidth)

--deckert
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 12, 2014, 01:49:46 am
We could argue till the cows come home about what constitutes a proper auto-hold. Most meters with a Max/Min feature have that work-around too.

All meters have a frequency counter, usually measuring at least 100kHz.
It would be difficult to put a figure on best performance, as they are so many variables and manufacturers don't always list the full spectrum.
It is best to consult each datasheet to get a full understanding of capability.

For instance, Amprobe quotes:

Hz line level:
500mV 100mV 10HZ ~ 200KHZ
5V 1V 10HZ ~ 200KHZ
50V 10V 10HZ ~ 100KHZ
500V 100V 10HZ ~ 100KHZ
1000V 900V 10HZ ~ 10KHZ

Hz Logic Level Frequency
5.0000HZ--2.00000MHZ

%DUTY CYCLE
5HZ -- 500 KHZ, 5V logic family

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: lpc32 on March 12, 2014, 07:41:10 pm
Thanks for the table!

Why limit to 6000 count and true RMS?

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 13, 2014, 02:25:40 am
For several reasons:
1. True RMS is a must for electronics
2. Meters starting from 6000 count tend to be better made than the plethora of cheap 4000 count or less meters.
3. The field is much reduced from that starting point, making the list easier to manage.
4. I have no interest in lesser meters, with a few exceptions.
5. Starting from a 6000 count means that some of the meters are still affordable for restricted budgets.

It doesn't mean that the meters that don't qualify for the list are all rubbish.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 13, 2014, 05:36:01 am
As suggested by Deckert, I added an extra column with the max frequency for the frequency counter.
Although I was reluctant at first, as most meters can do at least 100 kHz, some go way above that. Interestingly, not necessarily the most expensive ones either.
Anytime a new feature is added, it is a major pain in the backside, as every datasheet has to be revisited.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: iloveelectronics on March 13, 2014, 06:03:10 am
Can you also include the Digitek DT-2843R in the list? It's 6000-count and AC+DC TRMS. It is likely the lowest cost AC+DC TRMS meter you can find ($44). Lightages reviewed it on his Youtube channel some time ago.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 13, 2014, 06:16:46 am
I would have Franky, but it is only a 4,000 count meter, as far as I know, unless there is a new version??
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: iloveelectronics on March 13, 2014, 06:59:29 am
I would have Franky, but it is only a 4,000 count meter, as far as I know, unless there is a new version??

Oh, my mistake. I got the count missed up with another Digitek I haven't listed in my store yet...It's the DT-2867.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: smni on March 13, 2014, 07:31:03 am
What do you think of adding an "average" column instead of just max/min? I spent quite a bit of time looking for a good meter that had the ability to time average voltage or current in addition to recording max and min. Most (if not all) of the Flukes have it, but for example only the Extech 570 has max/min/averaging capability while the others just measure max/min. Some of the Agilents also have averaging and I'm sure some others do too.

Averaging is desirably for me for measuring low power projects that go into a standby mode most of the time and then wake up and do something quickly then go back to standby. By averaging over several cycles of this, one can estimate average current usage and therefore battery life. This is probably a task better suited for an oscilloscope or other data logger, but I wanted a DMM that could also give me a quick idea.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 13, 2014, 07:57:45 am
Sure. I'll just write A in the Max/Min column for 'Average', instead of a tick. I don't need a new column for that.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 14, 2014, 05:42:24 am
Update the file with Min/Max details. Also added Digitek and DER-EE relevant meters.
The filter spreadsheet has been incorporated into the main listing Excel file, as an extra tab.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: mcinque on March 14, 2014, 12:07:40 pm
+1 for the thread: fantastic!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: majki on March 14, 2014, 10:47:03 pm
Congratulation, very good collection.
Please add legend for the colors.

One comment for Fluke 187/189.
They have Fast Min-Max mode which is actually the Peak mode:

Quote
In ac measurement functions, MAX and MIN values are
peak values, AVG is the rms value. This provides the
necessary information in one display for calculation of
Crest Factor (peak/rms).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 15, 2014, 03:44:05 am
Absolutely, Fluke called the peak function a fast Max/Min. File will be corrected soon.
Color meaning is spelled out in the introductory text.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 15, 2014, 10:43:58 am
Added pictures of all  the meters listed

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=85242;image)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=85244;image)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: lpc32 on March 17, 2014, 11:21:30 pm
Colorful. :)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Garron on March 21, 2014, 06:08:57 pm
Brilliant collation of meters. Really helped with refining my decision making process.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: rivest on March 26, 2014, 04:13:09 am
Which DMM can properly test LEDs, ie light them up and show the voltage? I know some of them only go up to 2.5V and some are 4V.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: mariush on March 26, 2014, 05:06:24 am
Is it that hard to find and a 1kohm resistor and some power supply (5v+) in your house?  Just put the led in series with the resistor and measure the voltage drop between the anode and cathode of the led.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: ttp on March 26, 2014, 06:11:37 am
Which DMM can properly test LEDs, ie light them up and show the voltage? I know some of them only go up to 2.5V and some are 4V.

Use http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mini-Handy-LED-Tester-Test-Box-2-150mA-for-Light-emitting-Diode-Bulb-Lamp-E0Xc-/161060901609 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mini-Handy-LED-Tester-Test-Box-2-150mA-for-Light-emitting-Diode-Bulb-Lamp-E0Xc-/161060901609) for LEDs.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Bobson on March 29, 2014, 05:02:22 pm
What kind of DUT does Fluke-117 have? I could not find any info.

Fluke's site http://www.fluke.com/fluke/sgen/digital-multimeters/fluke-117.htm?PID=55996 (http://www.fluke.com/fluke/sgen/digital-multimeters/fluke-117.htm?PID=55996) says "VoltAlert™ technology for non-contact voltage detection", "The 117 includes integrated non-contact voltage detection to help get the job done faster." and "Min/Max/Average with elapsed time to record signal fluctuations".

Mine does not have these features. Maybe there is 117 Mk II already?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 30, 2014, 08:53:40 am
Using Auto Volts Selection (114 & 117 only)
With the function switch in the Auto-V/LoZ volt position, the Meter automatically selects a dc or ac voltage measurement
based on the input applied between the V or + and COM jacks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on March 31, 2014, 10:07:52 am
New file with some corrections and new column for AC current bandwidth. Also added details for the Voltcraft meters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 07, 2014, 12:43:11 pm
New file uploaded with an extra column for highest capacitance (mF) and little known HT Italia DMMs added:
(See 1st post for latest pictures)

(http://www.ht-instruments.com/media/famiglia/multimetri.jpg)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on April 07, 2014, 03:16:27 pm
Thanks again for continuing to work on this. Those HT meters all look like rebrands.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 07, 2014, 04:25:01 pm
There is a definite connection with Appatech (Ideal), but the specs may be slightly different.
I will also list the Appatech meters for comparison.

Having said that, the HT32 Italia is exactly the same as the Appa 72 and the HT701 is the same as the Appa 607.
The HT401 is closely related to the Ideal 61-486.

Database uploaded with Appa meters details
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 08, 2014, 05:57:18 am
Interestingly, perhaps not surprisingly, based on the spreadsheet parameters only, the best multimeters are the Fluke 287/289 and the Agilent U1272A and the Amprobe AM160.
All the others meters have at least one flaw or a missing feature to keep them away from the top spot.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=88593;image)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on April 08, 2014, 06:16:11 am
I am a bit lost on how you chose "the best". Could you elaborate? My tired mind can think right now.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 08, 2014, 06:19:03 am
I am a bit lost on how you chose "the best". Could you elaborate? My tired mind can think right now.
To put it simply, any meter which has an amber box in the list of features is disqualified.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: BravoV on April 08, 2014, 06:37:51 am
Wytnucls, any plan to consider to put the dimension and weight ?

For sure one thing I don't like about my 287, its like holding a real brick, bulky & heavy.  :-[
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on April 08, 2014, 06:38:28 am
OK, then I am confused. I do not understand your criteria for what is an acceptable "hold" function. You list all of the Brymens as not passing this function but the AM160 does? It is a rebranded Brymen.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 08, 2014, 06:53:02 am
Correct. I misread the datasheet for the Amprobe as having auto hold, but it hasn't. So the Amprobe is out too.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on April 08, 2014, 06:58:48 am
You should revise the UT61E then as having an auto-hold, even if it is undocumented.

I would also not be too hard on meters that don't have an auto-hold feature as long as they have a Min/Max feature that can stand in. It is a bit of a work around but in the random circumstance that you need this function is is good enough. JUST my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 08, 2014, 06:59:29 am
Wytnucls, any plan to consider to put the dimension and weight ?

For sure one thing I don't like about my 287, its like holding a real brick, bulky & heavy.  :-[

I could, but I don't think weight and dimension is something buyers pay much attention to for electronic work, as it is usually done on the bench. One would get a fair idea from the pictures in the first post anyway.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 08, 2014, 07:09:37 am
You should revise the UT61E then as having an auto-hold, even if it is undocumented.

I would also not be too hard on meters that don't have an auto-hold feature as long as they have a Min/Max feature that can stand in. It is a bit of a work around but in the random circumstance that you need this function is is good enough. JUST my 2 cents.
I agree, but it would be a real headache if I have to search for undocumented features and work-arounds. I prefer to stick to the published datasheet as the major reference.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 08, 2014, 08:49:20 am
One needs to be aware that a majority of meters don't auto-range in Max/Min mode. You may have to manually select the correct range first before capturing the readings, as an auto-hold substitute. There is also no aural warning when the reading has been captured.

As for the 61E, pressing the Hold button for 2 seconds, activates a 5 second delay before the reading is frozen. No new reading capture is possible until a Hold reset is performed.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on April 08, 2014, 03:50:56 pm
Yes you are right it is not a true auto-hold but the utility is almost the same.

I understand you can't take the time to chase all the undocumented features nor the alternative ways of making a function work. I do think that picking auto-hold as an almost essential feature is a personal preference as well as a PC connection. They are nice to have but don't make or break a meter's usefulness.

I understand the amount of work you have put into this and I appreciate it very much. It is helpful for newbees to know that some of the choices for your ratings are more personal than universal.

Thanks again for the hard work.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 09, 2014, 01:07:43 am
We could debate which multimeter functions are important until the cows come home.
The second page of the spreadsheet file is all set for filtering, where people can narrow the field down, based on their preferences, to eventually find their perfect instrument.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on April 09, 2014, 02:11:04 am
The cows are home, don't worry. ;) I agree with you that all the details are not worth arguing over. That's what was trying to say in my poorly phrased way.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: davidefa on April 12, 2014, 07:47:24 am
Thanks for the spreadsheet.
Only a correction: Brymen BM257 has 2 AAA batteries ( and runtime should be 300h )
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 12, 2014, 08:41:46 am
Thanks, list updated.
I have also added a column for conductance (nS) and burden voltage (when published) as a comment under the uA label.
(burden voltage for lowest uA and mA ranges)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 14, 2014, 08:19:02 pm
File update with a column for diode open voltage. Shout if you spot any mistakes.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: hammy on April 14, 2014, 09:28:19 pm
Thank you!  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: iloveelectronics on April 15, 2014, 02:27:36 am
Quote from: Wytnucls
We could debate which multimeter functions are important until the cows come home.
The second page of the spreadsheet file is all set for filtering, where people can narrow the field down, based on their preferences, to eventually find their perfect instrument.

Do you have some links to more information on the latest safety regulations regarding DMM's? I didn't want to post in the other sales thread as we have gone a bit off topic there.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 15, 2014, 04:54:48 am
The latest regulations (the 3rd edition of EN61010) date from 2010. They were discussed previously when Dave posted some extracts here. It is difficult to obtain the full document on the internet, without parting with a hefty chunk of money.
What has changed recently is that the old second edition is obsolete in Europe, since 1st October 2013 and any new meter for sale now as to comply with the 3rd edition.

In a nutshell, the CAT rating has to be consistent throughout the meter. It affects mostly the current inputs, as the fuses have to be of the HRC type and match the highest CAT voltage. The testing is more stringent on the current jacks, doubling the testing voltage.
Creepage and clearance tolerances have increased too, affecting traces and component placement.

http://www.tracglobal.com/blog/en-61010-12010-now-mandatory (http://www.tracglobal.com/blog/en-61010-12010-now-mandatory)
http://www.ul.com/global/ita/pages/offerings/industries/healthsciences/ul61010/ (http://www.ul.com/global/ita/pages/offerings/industries/healthsciences/ul61010/)
http://www.exveritas.com/en-61010-12001-withdrawn-from-lvd/ (http://www.exveritas.com/en-61010-12001-withdrawn-from-lvd/)
http://www.iec-normen.de/217253/iec-61010-2-030-2010-06-ed-1-0-zweisprachig.html (http://www.iec-normen.de/217253/iec-61010-2-030-2010-06-ed-1-0-zweisprachig.html)

Fluke was certifying products in accordance with the new regulations in 2012:
http://assets.fluke.com/manuals/15B-17B_1beng0000.pdf (http://assets.fluke.com/manuals/15B-17B_1beng0000.pdf)
http://issaberdeen.co.uk/Fluke/Digital_Multimeters/General_Purpose/Fluke_77_IV_Series_Digital_Multimeter/Manuals_and_Datasheets/77IV__175__177__179_CSA_Certificate_of_Conformity/3126 (http://issaberdeen.co.uk/Fluke/Digital_Multimeters/General_Purpose/Fluke_77_IV_Series_Digital_Multimeter/Manuals_and_Datasheets/77IV__175__177__179_CSA_Certificate_of_Conformity/3126)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 15, 2014, 11:43:59 am
Heard from Brymen that the BM867s is now available with UL listing, is conforming with the latest safety directives and has the CE logo.
Not sure what the new CAT rating is though.
Hopefully, Amprobe has or will do the same with the AM-140

UL Listing:
Digital multimeters, Model(s) BM201F, BM201X, BM202XF, BM202XX, BM251s, BM252s, BM255s, BM257s, BM521s, BM525s, BM682*, BM685*, BM821s, BM822s, BM827s, BM829s, BM867s, BM869s, BM905AEs, BM905s, BM906AEs, BM906s, BM907AEs, BM907s

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=PICQ.E204990&ccnshorttitle=Measuring,+Testing+and+Signal-generation+Equipment&objid=1074560747&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073991173&sequence=1 (http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=PICQ.E204990&ccnshorttitle=Measuring,+Testing+and+Signal-generation+Equipment&objid=1074560747&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073991173&sequence=1)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: davidefa on April 16, 2014, 02:43:00 pm
This is an extract of the manual of my new Brymen BM257s ( it is the unit sold by Mimmus )
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 17, 2014, 08:54:07 am
Thanks, 3 CAT ratings now  :o:
CAT II 1000V
CAT III 600V
CAT IV 300V

Most manufacturers only mention 2 CAT ratings on their meters, based on the highest transient tested for.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 17, 2014, 09:41:15 pm
Interesting article about multimeter ADCs and the different methods used to measure voltage:
1. SAR (Successive approximation register)
2. V to F ( Voltage to Frequency)
3. Dual slope - Most Cyrustek machines, like UNI-T 61/71 and FLIR DM93.
4. Sigma Delta - Fluke 179 and probably most other Fluke meters.

http://www.mccdaq.com/PDFs/specs/Analog-to-Digital.pdf (http://www.mccdaq.com/PDFs/specs/Analog-to-Digital.pdf)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 20, 2014, 09:55:16 pm
Here is a Chinese manufacturer (All-Sun) I hadn't heard of, even though they have been making some well-known low-cost meters for years:

http://www.all-sun.com/EN/p.aspx?px=1 (http://www.all-sun.com/EN/p.aspx?px=1)

Some interesting instruments in the line up, the best ones are UL and GS listed.

(http://www.all-sun.com/products/EM6000_d.jpg) (http://www.all-sun.com/products/EM6180_d.jpg)


Title: PC connectivity
Post by: Nevereven on April 29, 2014, 11:58:19 pm
It's probably beyond the scope of this spreadsheet, but it would be nice in the PC column to differentiate DMM's with free software for logging vs those which will cost you another $200 (Fluke). If this is a feature you need, this can unexpectedly add a great deal to your total price.

Perhaps just a note in the PC column at the top of each manufacturer such as "Software is an additional $...".


Thanks!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on April 30, 2014, 12:17:45 am
It is there already, under 'Kit', next to the PC column, with a tick in green for free software and USB/RS232/BT DMM connection.
What I could do is insert the price of the software and cable in the 'Kit' column, when it has to be purchased separately.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on May 05, 2014, 09:13:44 pm
Column headings are explained in the notes found on the first heading row.
In this case: Bar graph, Max/Min, 4-20 mA current loop and non-contact high voltage detection.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: larry42 on May 22, 2014, 11:40:12 pm
FWIW there seem to be a bunch of errors in the Fluke 87V specs that are shown in the spreadsheet and spreadsheet image (e.g. 6k rather than the actual 20counts etc, V DC resolution, uA DC resolution). Probably because the Fluke website lists a number of these incorrectly (I'm going by the values reported in the manual)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on May 23, 2014, 07:54:26 am
The Fluke 87V is a 6000 count multimeter, with a high res mode of 20,000 count.
The published accuracy figures are based on the core 6,000 mode, as they don't improve in high resolution mode. (Fluke manual May 2004).
Resolution does improve in the 20,000 count mode, but I'm not sure to what extent, as I don't own the meter.
What I will do, is list the published figures for the 6,000 mode, to avoid any confusion:

mVDC resolution 100uV Accuracy 0.05%+1 (0.1%+1 on mV range)
uA resolution 100uA

Thanks for your input.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: DEHiCKA on May 25, 2014, 03:44:12 pm
Sanwa PC7000 has 500000 count hi-res mode
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on May 29, 2014, 08:37:03 am
The high res mode is noted in the spreadsheet already. Just hover with the mouse over the count cell.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 02, 2014, 12:17:36 pm
I have compiled a list of the most popular bench multimeters. The meters should have a count of at least 5 1/2 and be able to measure currents. The most important DMM features are listed. Shout if you spot any mistakes or if you think additional features should be mentioned.
Codes: RJ (Rear Jacks) Pk (Peak) Cn (continuity) Clk (Clock) ExT (External trigger) D (Delay) S (Samples) Mc ( Measurement complete) Tr (Trend plot) Ma (Math) P/F (pass/Fail)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=96203;image)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=96205;image)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on June 02, 2014, 10:18:59 pm
Nice work. Since you added the flukes Any plan on adding other older models such as the Agilent 3468, Keithley 196 or 199, etc.

Also, maybe dBm measurement column? Some people care, some don't. Still a GREAT reference.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: theatrus on June 05, 2014, 06:17:09 am
Love the new bench section - great work. Looks like you're missing the 3458a (not exactly a common piece of equipment if course)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 06, 2014, 05:44:27 pm
Updated version of the bench meter list.
Most of the math functions are listed now.
Math functions:
Z Zero/Null
B dB, dBm
X mX+b
O Offset
R Ratio/Relative
Statistics:
M Min/Max
A Average
D Standard Deviation

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=96720;image)
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Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on June 11, 2014, 08:22:32 pm
Very well done. Might want to include a channels option or something. The Keithley 199 is technically an 8 channel meter.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: nightmechanic on June 12, 2014, 05:14:24 am
What a great spreadsheet!, thanks!

Just a couple of comments regarding the HP3478A bemch meter:
1. It has HP-IB (GPIB)
2. Regarding the accuracy - it seems you are quoting the"old" specs, the accuracy specs were improved (for any meter with a serial number greater than 2520A22585) you can see the new specs in the "new" brochure here: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_3468A_B.pdf (http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_3468A_B.pdf) and the "new" operators manual : http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_SM_Rev2.pdf (http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_SM_Rev2.pdf)

The best accuracy, for this revision, is 0.006% of reading + 2 digits (for the 3V range)
I do not know how to show this in the spreadsheet, perhaps you can add a comment on the specs cell?

Thanks again!
Ran
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: anwe on June 12, 2014, 06:37:23 pm
Very nice work!
A small corrrection; the Brymen 82X -series all have dual display (most, but not all modes are dual display on my 827).

/Andreas
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 12, 2014, 08:52:06 pm
Correct, I will modify the Brymen entries on the next update. Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 12, 2014, 09:13:02 pm
What a great spreadsheet!, thanks!

Just a couple of comments regarding the HP3478A bemch meter:
1. It has HP-IB (GPIB)
2. Regarding the accuracy - it seems you are quoting the"old" specs, the accuracy specs were improved (for any meter with a serial number greater than 2520A22585) you can see the new specs in the "new" brochure here: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_3468A_B.pdf (http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_3468A_B.pdf) and the "new" operators manual : http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_SM_Rev2.pdf (http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_SM_Rev2.pdf)

The best accuracy, for this revision, is 0.006% of reading + 2 digits (for the 3V range)
I do not know how to show this in the spreadsheet, perhaps you can add a comment on the specs cell?

Thanks again!
Ran

Quite right, HP-IB is indeed GPIB. I will also add a note to quote your comments on accuracy of later meters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 12, 2014, 09:19:47 pm
Very well done. Might want to include a channels option or something. The Keithley 199 is technically an 8 channel meter.

Might do that later. It seems that most of those channel scanners were optional though, and thus possibly quite rare. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on June 12, 2014, 10:38:06 pm
Very well done. Might want to include a channels option or something. The Keithley 199 is technically an 8 channel meter.

Might do that later. It seems that most of those channel scanners were optional though, and thus possibly quite rare. Thanks for the info.
That is quite possible.  Both of the meters I have came with the scanner card.  They were purchased as is stock from a company. So I'm not sure how rare or not they are.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Fsck on June 13, 2014, 06:30:22 am
it's very sexy now.

you've got the 3478 and the 3468, but why not 3457 or 3456, they're fairly common as well.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 13, 2014, 09:47:29 am
I thought the half-rack size meters were more versatile, but I'll list those two anyway, as there is still a demand for them.
The 3456 looks mean, but doesn't measure currents.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 16, 2014, 06:35:11 pm
New file with a few more meters, some extra feature details and some corrections.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=97923;image)
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Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: kev222 on June 17, 2014, 03:43:39 pm
Hi Everyone, I bought a PCE-PDM 1 Multimeter for a few weeks and found it was a good instrument, all the offers they have there are pretty good, just thought I´d say because I never found it in the spreadshhet? :)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 17, 2014, 05:28:11 pm
4000 count pen type, not TRMS, made by CEM in China (DT-3219).

(http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/UploadFile/20110111154815208.jpg)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on June 26, 2014, 11:07:28 am
A few extra bench meters

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=99386;image)
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Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: jancelot on July 05, 2014, 10:55:04 pm
Didn't notice input impedance in the spreadsheet. Probably not necessary since all mm are 10Mohms? Just guessing.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on July 06, 2014, 03:56:21 am
Didn't notice input impedance in the spreadsheet. Probably not necessary since all mm are 10Mohms? Just guessing.
Actually many bench meters can have input impedance in the gigaohm range. The problem is unlike handheld meters, the impedance often varies based on the input range. For example, the Keithley 199 has >1 Gigaohm for its lowest two ranges dropping to  10 Megaohms in the 300V range. This would be hard for him to include in the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: theatrus on July 06, 2014, 04:12:45 am
Agreed on the bench meters. For example, a 3458A has a >10Gohm impedance up through the 10V range. This is different on the ACV readings.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: scopeman on July 10, 2014, 11:36:24 pm
Hello Group,

I am looking for a low cost DMM to purchase in quantity (100 to 200 units). It has to have at a minimum the following features:

Resistance (direct reading) to 1000 Megohms (1G Ohm) minimum, 2G Ohm would be perfect.
Capacitance to 200nF (20 and 200nF range okay.

It should have DCV. AC and current not required. CAT III/IV not required.

It seems that I can find plenty that have 200 Megohm range.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on July 11, 2014, 12:18:21 am
Few multimeters have a resistance range above 50MOhm. Some go up to 500MOhm, but accuracy drops dramatically to about 10%.

It seems that you're looking for cheap insulation meters, but while they might have a high resistance range and do voltages, capacitance measurement would be rare on such instruments.
I suggest you open a new thread with your request to get broader advice.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on July 11, 2014, 12:31:34 am
This UNI-T UT533 is probably one of the cheapest ones available that fits your requirements:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UT533-Insulation-Resistance-Multimeters-up-to-1000V-2G-/380137141736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5881f075e8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/UT533-Insulation-Resistance-Multimeters-up-to-1000V-2G-/380137141736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5881f075e8)

http://www.uni-trend.com/UT533.html (http://www.uni-trend.com/UT533.html)

(http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_201061_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: echen1024 on July 11, 2014, 12:46:33 am
Siglent have bench meters now as well. Only Chinese page so far... http://siglent.com/cn/product/detail2.aspx?id=100000003069375&nodecode=105008002 (http://siglent.com/cn/product/detail2.aspx?id=100000003069375&nodecode=105008002)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on July 11, 2014, 01:27:11 am
Thanks, will be listed at next update.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: tautech on July 11, 2014, 01:59:21 am
Siglent have bench meters now as well. Only Chinese page so far... http://siglent.com/cn/product/detail2.aspx?id=100000003069375&nodecode=105008002 (http://siglent.com/cn/product/detail2.aspx?id=100000003069375&nodecode=105008002)
Description from my price list:
 5½?digit; 150rdgs / s measurement speed; 4.3 inch (480 * 272) true color TFT?LCD screen
display; True RMS AC voltage and AC current measurements
RRP US$439 plus taxes if any.
I have asked Siglent to post more info in this thread for the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: tautech on July 11, 2014, 10:43:25 am
@Wytnucls
I have put together a doc with the Siglent SDM3055 general specs and links to more info.
Do I PM them to you?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on July 11, 2014, 11:58:42 am
Post it here or start a new thread, as it may be of interest to potential buyers. I will pick the relevant bits for the spreadsheet later.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: tautech on July 12, 2014, 12:25:30 am
@Wytnucls
I have put together a doc with the Siglent SDM3055 general specs and links to more info.
Do I PM them to you?
After some study, I found a thread introducing the SDM3000 series back in May.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-siglent-3000-series-dmm/msg451102/#msg451102 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-siglent-3000-series-dmm/msg451102/#msg451102)

The SDM3055 & 3055A are at this stage pre-release to Western markets and the only official documentation available is in Chinese.
There is quite a lot of info that can be extracted from that on line, including the datasheet.

But until full English specs are available and Western market release is imminent it is not appropriate to post anything here other than full English specs as it would degrade Wytnucls fine work.  :-+

So as I have been offered a pre-release unit as a Siglent distributor, a new thread and possible teardown seems a good option.
I don't own a bench meter so I am very tempted.  :-DMM
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: scopeman on July 12, 2014, 04:06:30 am
This UNI-T UT533 is probably one of the cheapest ones available that fits your requirements:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UT533-Insulation-Resistance-Multimeters-up-to-1000V-2G-/380137141736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5881f075e8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/UT533-Insulation-Resistance-Multimeters-up-to-1000V-2G-/380137141736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5881f075e8)

http://www.uni-trend.com/UT533.html (http://www.uni-trend.com/UT533.html)

(http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_201061_1.jpg)

Hello,

I am not looking for an HV type insulation meter but a LV type. The product that I am testing can not stand HV.

I was using the Minipa ET2080B or C model which had a 2G Ohm range and was amazingly accurate in all respects but I can no longer get the manufacturer to even talk to me about selling me more units. It seems that they are only interested in selling thousands of them.

I have found the Victor VC88C to be the exact same meter with their logo on it but I can not get them to sell me under 200 pieces. I can find plenty the go to 60 to 200M but none other than the two mentioned to 2 G Ohms.

Sam
 
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on July 12, 2014, 04:42:54 am
One solution would be to use 2 meters. A UNI-T UT601 for high resistance (2GOhm) and capacitance and any 'el cheapo' DMM for voltages.
http://www.uni-trend.com/UT601.html (http://www.uni-trend.com/UT601.html)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: BVH on July 31, 2014, 04:33:15 am
What a fantastic spreadsheet Wytnucls!  I’ve been looking at specs and video reviews on 6 ½ digit DMMs for the last 4 days, looking to buy one and this document lays all the specs out in a plain to understand format.  Thank You!

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Ebivetar on August 08, 2014, 12:50:07 pm
Awsome  :-+

It would be nice if we have this kind of spreadsheets for other test equipment.
I think that I may start one for clamp meters. Hopefully I will have time for this.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wh1sper on August 11, 2014, 05:46:38 pm

I do have a concrete task. I want measure the (unwanted) peaks on output while switching on and off a Power supply.
I do have a Voltmeter which can measure 10 times/sec max and logs into Flatfile.
So far so good.
I wonder how many money I must spent to buy an faster Multimeter.
The excel sheet is very great and growing all the time, but this Information is lacking.
Because it's very seldom printed in the manuals, isn't it?

As I do not need very precise Measure I guess building it myself with an MC of my choice would be wiser?!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on August 11, 2014, 06:05:52 pm
The peak transient time is in my spreadsheet, if it is published in the datasheet.
It is normally quoted for a single event and a repetitive event.
Unfortunately, very few manufacturers publish the figures.

Usually, a single event needs to last for at least 1mS to register and multiple transients, for a minimum of 250uS.
Strangely, the UNI-T UT-71D, which I own, can capture short transients of 10uS. I don't know of any others.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wh1sper on August 11, 2014, 08:01:19 pm
Ok, found it THANX for this awesome work
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Lightages on August 11, 2014, 09:33:27 pm
Actually, the Brymens also have a quoted response time for peak and recording. 1ms for the Brymen 52X and 86X on "Crest" and 5ms for Min/Max. The BM525 can record samples per second and up to 87,000 readings.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: torr032 on August 18, 2014, 03:02:33 pm
It would also be nice to include in the spreadsheet is the continuity latched or unlatched, that information is not in the user manuals and is very useful. Btw I prefer fast unlatched like on the Brymen 869.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on August 20, 2014, 05:15:01 pm
It would be nice, but the information is not usually published by the manufacturer. When it is, I will include it in a note in the mOhm column.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: boo9 on August 22, 2014, 03:55:23 pm
I wonder if this spreadsheet in addition to being able to download it as an attacment, if it can be loaded into google docs, then it would be just one click away.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: boo9 on August 22, 2014, 05:57:05 pm
great, thanks

BTW:
- what is the meaning of gray colour ? there are cells with "X" with and without gray background.
- what is the meaning of red/pink color ?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on August 22, 2014, 06:18:00 pm
X means a missing feature. When highlighted grey, it is an important missing feature.
X without highlight is less important and could also mark an optional feature.
X with amber highlight means an essential feature is missing.
Magenta color for unknown parameters.
Pink for prices above 300 USD.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: boo9 on August 22, 2014, 07:06:48 pm
could we please put all these explanations about colors and x-es into the comment of the a  "Legend" (e.g, on insert empty row at the beginning and "A" cell make "Legend"

I would personally welcome a column about "input protection/safty", somewhat subjective but better than nothing, unless all > 6000 count meters have more than adequate input protection, one could make comments about each meter input protection like PTC, MOV and other burn tests like @lightages did to some meters he tested.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on August 23, 2014, 05:26:28 am
Here is the latest Google doc file with a legend:

Warning: These highlights reflect personal preferences and may not align with someone else's requirements.

CAT ratings are not that important for electronics work, which is the main interest.
Independent professional testing is required to confirm that meters comply with regulations.
Regardless, fuse voltage ratings are listed in the database and also CAT ratings for selected meters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 03, 2014, 05:13:49 pm
Updated file with a few additional meters and some extra features listed:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: crmaris on September 12, 2014, 12:49:17 pm
Great work!! Congrats!

I want to buy a bench DMM and this excel file is a life saver for me!

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 16, 2014, 09:39:46 am
Has anybody got the manual for the 50,000 count Transcat 65023MM? I struggled to find much info about it. It looks like a dumbed down version of a Yokogawa meter and sells for about 300$.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 20, 2014, 10:09:59 am
Minipa of Brazil has been acquired by UNI-T:

http://www.uni-trend.com.cn/en/news/2014_0901_964.html (http://www.uni-trend.com.cn/en/news/2014_0901_964.html)

http://www.minipa.com.br/ (http://www.minipa.com.br/)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on September 20, 2014, 03:48:37 pm
Minipa of Brazil has been acquired by UNI-T:

http://www.uni-trend.com.cn/en/news/2014_0901_964.html (http://www.uni-trend.com.cn/en/news/2014_0901_964.html)

http://www.minipa.com.br/ (http://www.minipa.com.br/)

Wow, Uni-T making some big moves

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: RobertoLG on September 20, 2014, 06:41:25 pm
I just hope they improve the quality and safety of the multimeters, most of them don't have 10 amps fuse, lets see if this is good or not...
still using my oldie Motech MIC 2200A, got sold to BK precision, only the multimeter part
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: kxenos on September 20, 2014, 09:19:37 pm
You haven't include Picotest (https://www.picotest.com/products_index.html (https://www.picotest.com/products_index.html)) in your list. They are the OEM of Keithley, I believe
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 20, 2014, 10:27:42 pm
Thanks, hadn't heard of them. Will be included shortly.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: bigsky on September 23, 2014, 09:37:51 pm
Hi, I'm new here. Great spreadsheet!

A comment - it shows the Fluke 87V as having dB capability. I have an 87V and I'm sure it doesn't do any form of decibel measurement, so I think this is a mistake.

A question - can anyone recommend a cheapish DMM that can measure dBu or dBm ? I was thinking of the Amprobe 37XR, but that only goes down to -13dBm. I really need something with a bit more sensitivity - -20dBm at least, preferably -30 or -40. It could be a discontinued model that is readily available.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 23, 2014, 10:05:22 pm
Thanks, main database corrected for the 87 V.
What do you consider cheapish and where do you live?
The Fluke 185 aka Tektronix TX3 does -74/+60 on dB and dBm but is hard to find.
The Fluke 87 IV  does -52/+60 dB. The Gossen 18S has similar specs.
The cheap Digitek 80000R does -80/+80 dBm.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: bigsky on September 24, 2014, 03:26:55 pm
Hi, I'm in England. Cheapish is less than, say, GBP 150. Thanks for the suggestions, I'm also thinking of a used Fluke 187 / 189 as they are easy to find.

Sorry to give you more work but if you have a moment, could you add the Agilent / Keysight 1253 and 1273 models. The spreadsheet must be a huge task and it's much appreciated.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 24, 2014, 03:40:06 pm
1253B and 1273A/AX were lumped together with equivalent models as they mostly differ by screen type. Any difference is annotated in the relevant cell.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: bigsky on September 24, 2014, 08:04:09 pm
Sorry, I missed that. What awful battery life those OLED models have!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: VK5RC on September 27, 2014, 11:41:10 am
The U1253b battery is a LiPo rechargeable,  the oled display I really like,  easy to read from all angles and I tend to reach for the Agilent U1253b in preference over the fluke 87v.
A huge thanks to Wytnucls for keeping this great resource going.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on September 30, 2014, 12:10:24 am
Updated DMM pictures:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=110788;image)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=110794;image)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=110792;image)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: mibars on November 03, 2014, 06:34:05 pm
Hi guys, I've registered ther just to report one thing: Uni-T UT171A price in spreadsheet is WAYYY off, I've been searching for that one because it looks kinda stuffed with options for "just 60 bucks" and you know what? It is available only on Alibaba (not even AliExpress,) I've been quoted (1 unit) whooping US$233 + $40 shipping to EU + no taxes and duties included. That $60 looks wrong for that amout of features even for a bulk order!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Marco on November 03, 2014, 07:06:03 pm
140$ on taobao too, still a bit shy of 60$.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on November 03, 2014, 07:16:14 pm
That 60$ price was just tentative, as the only quote I could find was wholesale.
There is still very little information about the 171 series and I'm not even sure it is officially on sale yet.
The 181A sells for 240$ on Taobao, so 233$ for the 171A sounds quite excessive.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Linrox on November 12, 2014, 03:40:25 am
Hey new to the site o/.
Looking for a review on the DT-9919. There is a version on ebay (Link below) at the moment for $99 from gastools, not sure if it is worth it. It does have ceramic fuses, (500mA and 10A)
Now that i think about it, the front cover has "Fused Max 400mA" but uses a 500mA. Odd?

http://s9.postimg.org/hcn8v6a1r/dt9919_Cover.png (http://s9.postimg.org/hcn8v6a1r/dt9919_Cover.png)
http://s24.postimg.org/c4651f7qt/dt9919_fuses.png (http://s24.postimg.org/c4651f7qt/dt9919_fuses.png)

It also states Cat4 @ 600V, but not sure i trust it?

can anyone clarify please?

Link to site:  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-MULTIMETER-PRO-ELECTRICIANS-TESTER-WATERPROOF-AUTO-RANGE-/111205371704?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item19e45b4f38 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-MULTIMETER-PRO-ELECTRICIANS-TESTER-WATERPROOF-AUTO-RANGE-/111205371704?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item19e45b4f38)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: retiredcaps on November 12, 2014, 07:38:39 am
Looking for a review on the DT-9919.
The DT-9919 has some family roots with the Extech EX505 (eevblog #99 - $100 shootout) and this photo teardown

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/gallery/craftsman-82003/ (http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/gallery/craftsman-82003/)

With the supplied ebay picture, I highlighted some dodgy soldering which could affect the functionality of the meter long term.

R40 looks hand soldered.

There is no solder on the right leg of C13.

The capacitors by the white jumper cable are all hand soldered and are barely holding onto their pads.  What happens with one drop of the multimeter?

IC5 and IC6 look hand soldered with big blobs of solder on the legs.  Cold joints?

The negative battery terminal has solder covering half the contacts?  Oops?

The insulation on the COM terminal is pretty short and fairly close to that standup power resistor?

It looks like none of the flux has been cleaned off.

If this were me, I would keep looking for other options.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: 3roomlab on December 07, 2014, 06:39:07 pm
was mastech a part of yihua? or the other way around ?

http://www.mastech.com.cn/html/en/products-va38.htm (http://www.mastech.com.cn/html/en/products-va38.htm)

in amazon, the va38 is hot red color ! lol
http://www.amazon.com/VA38-True-Digital-Multimeter-Interface/dp/B000Y95URA (http://www.amazon.com/VA38-True-Digital-Multimeter-Interface/dp/B000Y95URA)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: omgfire on December 07, 2014, 06:46:43 pm
was mastech a part of yihua? or the other way around ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/product-review-dmm-latest-va-mastech-va18b/msg128081/#msg128081 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/product-review-dmm-latest-va-mastech-va18b/msg128081/#msg128081)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: KD0RC on December 07, 2014, 09:52:49 pm
This is a fantastic resource!  I really appreciate all that it takes to compile and maintain a list like this.  As I zero in on my decision, I want to be sure that I truly have this correct...
I get the difference between Accuracy and Precision, so we don't need to go there.  But I notice on some of the higher end units (50,000 counts at .02% + 2 digits), it seems like the precision exceeds the accuracy.
So if I measure 5 volts, it should show as 5.0000 (that would be th 50,000 counts of precision - correct?)  .02% would then be +/- .001 V (ignoring the +2 digits for now).  If I am correct to this point, then the last digit exceeds the accuracy of the device.  Am I thinking of this correctly?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: hammy on December 07, 2014, 10:28:12 pm
This compilation is awesome! Thanks a lot!

There are no Bench Multimeters from UNI-T in the list. The UT803, UT804 and UT805. Are they discontinued?
The UT805 changed a little bit over time, at least the display got a redesign. But it doesn't look like UNI-T is putting much work in this line of their products. Do you know more?

Cheers
hammy
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on December 08, 2014, 11:11:25 am
I overlooked the UNI-T UT805A, which has a respectable 200,000 count.
Here is the updated spreadsheet:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on December 08, 2014, 11:28:03 am
This is a fantastic resource!  I really appreciate all that it takes to compile and maintain a list like this.  As I zero in on my decision, I want to be sure that I truly have this correct...
I get the difference between Accuracy and Precision, so we don't need to go there.  But I notice on some of the higher end units (50,000 counts at .02% + 2 digits), it seems like the precision exceeds the accuracy.
So if I measure 5 volts, it should show as 5.0000 (that would be th 50,000 counts of precision - correct?)  .02% would then be +/- .001 V (ignoring the +2 digits for now).  If I am correct to this point, then the last digit exceeds the accuracy of the device.  Am I thinking of this correctly?
I'm not sure I understand your post. Accuracy is never better than resolution. In your 50,000 resolution example, the accuracy of 0.02%+2, means that your 5V reading could be anywhere between 5.0012V and 4.9988V and still be within specs.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: KD0RC on December 09, 2014, 03:32:15 am

I'm not sure I understand your post. Accuracy is never better than resolution. In your 50,000 resolution example, the accuracy of 0.02%+2, means that your 5V reading could be anywhere between 5.0012V and 4.9988V and still be within specs.
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Thanks for that.  I expected (naively...) that the last digit would be where the uncertainty would lie.  I am not an engineer, so I often make assumptions that are not correct.  Your answer confirms my statement that the last digit of precision exceeds the accuracy.  That is probably not the right way to say it, but now I understand what I am looking at when given the resolution and accuracy specs.
I don't really need .02% for the hobbyist things that I do, but it would be orders of magnitude better than anything I have ever owned, and for my purposes, would act like a standard against which to check my other gear.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: johansen on December 09, 2014, 04:08:24 am
Accuracy is never better than resolution.

resolution is cheaper than accuracy.

I had an old fluke kelvin varley vacuum tube volt meter with its 49,999 count resistor divider..
interesting.. for certain. but i can measure microvolts with a 4$ digital scale today.

but can i do better than a weston cell voltage standard?
really good question. i was able to measure my weston cell (my version of the fluke differential vacuum tube volt meter came with it internally) back in 2010 to a 1.0186mV with +/- .1mV but that's not really a sufficiently solid datapoint is it...
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: HighResolution on December 25, 2014, 07:41:36 am
The GW Instek GDM-461 look very similar and has very similar (identical?) specs to the UNI-T UT61E but has 1000V fuses according to the manual.

Costs ~$100.  Might be a good buy to get those specs with better input protection?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: cncjerry on December 26, 2014, 07:09:25 am
Nice work and this is a nit: HP 3478a has GPIB, I have two; HP 3468a doesn't. 
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on December 26, 2014, 09:25:03 am
Correct, the HP3468A/B has a HP-IL interface instead of HP-IB. Database will be corrected accordingly.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on January 02, 2015, 02:55:29 am
Yes, you're right. Probably confused with the 5 volt range while reading in a hurry. Will be corrected in the next edition. Thanks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: lpc32 on January 06, 2015, 04:14:53 pm
The table shows UT139C voltage bandwidth as 10kHz, the manuals say 1kHz. Did someone confirm it to work higher?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on January 06, 2015, 04:19:40 pm
Haven't updated the spreadsheet on page 1 for a while.
Check the latest one:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: lpc32 on January 06, 2015, 08:25:03 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on January 12, 2015, 10:03:22 am
Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf)
2. ABCs of multimeter safety http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF)
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF)
4. Why true RMS http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF)
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf)
8. Testing your test leads http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf)
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF)
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF)
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: tautech on January 12, 2015, 07:45:00 pm
Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf)
2. ABCs of multimeter safety http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF)
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF)
4. Why true RMS http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF)
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf)
8. Testing your test leads http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf)
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF)
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF)
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf)
Would it be better to embed these links in the first post?
Easy to find then.  ;)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: Wytnucls on January 13, 2015, 08:46:00 am
Yeah, was meant to do that. Anyway, it's done now. Thanks for the reminder. Still need to update the front tables (Done).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: _Wim_ on January 13, 2015, 05:36:50 pm
Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf)
2. ABCs of multimeter safety http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF)
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF)
4. Why true RMS http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF)
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF)
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf)
8. Testing your test leads http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf)
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF)
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF)
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf (http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf)

Thanks for these and your excellent excel file. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: TiN on January 19, 2015, 04:49:10 am
Few small corrections: Keithley 2001 and 2002 do not have RS232. DB9 is digital portm not serial
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 19, 2015, 06:36:03 am
Indeed. Will correct database in next edition. Thanks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: radiomog on January 27, 2015, 03:08:24 am
gotta tag this thread to view in more detail later.. looks very interesting. thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: masster on February 01, 2015, 12:11:20 am
@Wytnucls
The spreadsheet is far from being easy to read. The 'legend' on top is very ambiguous. For instance, what is the difference between "Important missing feature" and "Essential missing feature" ?? Just semantics. What objective criteria used to separate them? 10000 counts is an " Essential missing feature"? According to who? According to what?

A beginner trying to choose a multimeter will have a hard time deciphering the abbreviations in the table header (Count AC+ BW DUT Volt Accuracy uA A bw m? nS/M? pF mF Dio ?Hz % W T° PC Kit Int Log Clock Disp Light 'I'''I' M/m Peak Hld dB LoZ VFD Evt Batt Life F G E Pwr Jack Fuse P/F 4-20 NCV Price). You should insert comments to all of them on every sheet.

The colors: What objective criteria is used to differentiate it from a white cell?

The stars: Very generic classification, based only on brand.

The spreadsheet might have a meaning to you, but you don't seem to know how to make it easy to understand at a glance and useful to somebody other than you.



Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 01, 2015, 07:12:00 am
Like Dave says often, it is hard to please everybody. I spent a lot of time putting all this together. Initially, it was for my own use. I decided to publish it when I realized it could be useful to someone else too.
Of course, the listing is biased to reflect my preferences for an ideal multimeter, based on my experience. It may not always coincide with your desires. Just ignore all the cell coloring in that case.
Unfortunately, there is no other free database that I'm aware of, unless you decide to make a better one, with your own biases.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 01, 2015, 05:09:11 pm
I'll answer some of your criticisms for the benefit of all users:

'The spreadsheet is far from being easy to read. The 'legend' on top is very ambiguous. For instance, what is the difference between "Important missing feature" and "Essential missing feature" ?? Just semantics. What objective criteria used to separate them? 10000 counts is an " Essential missing feature"? According to who? According to what?'
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There is a difference between important (really nice to have) and essential (show stopper).
The database is slanted towards electronic work, not electrical chores. A high count and accuracy is desirable for at least one meter, if you have several, like you should have. For the simple reason, that it can serve as a good reference for the others, since calibration is so expensive and often out of reach for hobbyists. Those meters are usually better made, have larger AC bandwidth, are built with proper external voltage references and have little drift.
10,000 count is not highlighted amber per se, unless the count falls below 7,000 for other functions. It doesn't mean that those meters are useless, just that they are not ideal for electronics, but could be used as secondary meters.

A beginner trying to choose a multimeter will have a hard time deciphering the abbreviations in the table header
Every one of them is well explained in the first row, with annotations. These annotations change regularly and are not repeated for each brand, to limit database maintenance time.

The stars: Very generic classification, based only on brand.
The stars are based on brands only, for a general guideline. I don't own enough of the meters in the database for objective individual assessments. Look for independent reviews on this site for any particular meter.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tautech on February 01, 2015, 09:00:46 pm
Like Dave says often, it is hard to please everybody.

Unfortunately, there is no other free database that I'm aware of, unless you decide to make a better one, with your own biases.
+1
There's more than enough info and what is missing....fill it in for oneself from the available info elsewhere.
As Wytnucls says, it is a living document and change is never ending.

The biggest worry is WHO will pick it up and continue when Wytnucls can no more.  :-//
Hats off to you, it's a great piece of work.  :clap:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Esthan on February 02, 2015, 06:59:46 am
Hi,

first of all a warm welcome from Poland to all EEVblog forum users.

I have a question regarding the Kyoritsu products.

In the filter section of this magnificent xls document, all of the Kyoritsu product get 5 Stars just like Fluke, Gossen etc - do I get it right that their products are, on average top quality or safe in their price range just like Gossen or Fluke?

Tried to find some in depth reviews or teardowns of the KEW1012 (or any Kyoritsu) that sparked my interest and there is little to no info...
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 02, 2015, 07:21:37 am
Their cheaper meters may not be made in Japan, so quality may vary. Check also Yokogawa for similar meters:
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/products/portable-and-bench-instruments/digital-multimeters/ (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/products/portable-and-bench-instruments/digital-multimeters/)

Yokogawa TY720 Multimeter Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goj8HomoKJY#ws)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Esthan on February 02, 2015, 07:23:57 am
Thanks.

So how am I to understand those 5 Stars in the filter section?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 02, 2015, 07:38:29 am
It is a subjective rating to grade brands according to general perceived overall quality. It doesn't apply to a specific DMM model.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 06, 2015, 02:30:34 pm
Here is the latest database version, with some corrections and additions.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Lightages on February 06, 2015, 05:18:27 pm
Again, thanks for the work you put into this. People need to understand the time it takes to compile something like this. Will there be errors and personal preferences given priority? Of course but like what has already been said, you can't please everyone.

BTW, are the rough prices you list based on what is paid in the end, shipping and taxes included?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 06, 2015, 05:24:35 pm
Quoting US prices mostly, otherwise eBay 'Buy Now' prices for new and used meters. Shipping is usually free, but an extra allowance should be made for postage and taxes, depending on where you live and the origin of the meter.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jamesd168 on February 12, 2015, 10:39:41 pm
What a great list! I learned something from your guys. Thanks
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jamesd168 on February 15, 2015, 10:43:49 pm
Here is a list of the most interesting mul (http://www.volteq.com/adjustable-dc-power-supply.html)timeters for electronic work and their main features for a quick comparison. It is not an exhaustive list and will get updated as time goes by.
If you spot some glaring mistakes, let me know and I wil (http://www.volteq.com/switching-power-supply.html)l correct them.
Don't fret too much about quoted prices, as they vary wildly from one region to another.
If you feel I have left out some worthwhile DMMs, squawk here and I will try to include them.
Al (http://www.volteq.com/linear-dc-power-supply.html)l meters listed have a count of 6,000 or higher, have auto-ranging and are true RMS.
All meters (except MetraHit M30) must be able to test diodes, resistance, capacitance, frequency and current.
You will find green highlights for above average features and amber highl (http://www.volteq.com/plating-and-anodizing-rectifiers.html)ights for poor or missing important features.
Every cell with a red triangle has a note attached to it.
There is also another list suitable for filtering, to make your buying decision a little easier.



thanks for the great list, just bought a good multimeter for myself.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: VoltaicPile on February 23, 2015, 02:16:19 am
Hi,  I believe I have a few corrections;

1. Agilent 34410a has a speed of 10k/s and 34411a has a speed of 50k/s for 4.5 digits.  The specs seem pretty clear for the 34411, but a little less clear on the 34410, but it may be an imposed lower limit rather than hardware or adjusted for other tolerances.

2. GPIB is Optional on 34461a.

3. I'm not sure if you are referring to something more generic in the Mc column, but I think 34461a should have a note at least that it has a Voltage-Complete output (but I'm guessing it does not work for other measurements).

As a notation note; K is used in the spreadsheet for kilo where k would be correct.

Thanks for the great comparison it is helping me look at a new DMM.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 23, 2015, 09:24:26 pm
Thanks for the corrections. I'll look into it.
Capital K will have to stay, as there are too many instances in the database by now, to be modified easily.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: retiredcaps on March 20, 2015, 10:53:03 pm
i saw peter oakes short review on U1461A. this is a very new DMM? the display seems bugged, ending up with 2 digits even though its 60000 count
1) Video is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqxLOFWnr_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqxLOFWnr_I)

2) Big huge TWO THUMBS DOWN to Keysight for requiring a login to view the bloody user manual. See captured screenshot. :-- :-- :-- :-- :--

3) To get around the login, type "u1461a user manual" into your search engine and then it should bring up

http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/U1461-90003.pdf (http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/U1461-90003.pdf)

without any login screen.  WHY Keysight?   :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:

4) Default for U1461a is 6600 counts.  See screenshot.

5) Disappointing to see a nearly $1000 CDN meter out of calibration right out of box.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 21, 2015, 06:12:50 am
Impressive Keysight insulation meter, with loads of features that would put some normal DMMs to shame. If it is an indication of things to come, their next top of the range multimeter should be a world beater.
Strange glitch though, on the DC volt accuracy, considering it comes with a calibration certificate.

I included the U1461A in the latest datasheet seen below:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=142783;image)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Grottenolm85 on March 29, 2015, 06:48:29 pm
I own the CEM-DT989 (In Germany it's called Peak Tech 3440) The battery does last about 6 hours but it is rechargeable(Multimeter comes with an AC-adaptor). Therefore it is a bit off to compare it to 9V-Multimeters.

The price is about 230$ btw.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: james3 on April 04, 2015, 08:14:18 am
Hello thanks for this post, I write here because I need an advice.
I'm going to buy a new multimeter and I choose this one http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=49&prodid=296 (http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=49&prodid=296) that will cost to me 50€ shipped.
My questions is:

Are there some other multimeters for that price range that I should consider ?  Mostly I use multimeter for hobby and wee-end electronics, I'm not professional what I need is the thermocouple, continuity, resistance etc.

thanks for your advices

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Winston on April 06, 2015, 07:51:56 pm
I looking for a fairly rugged, low cost (if possible) mini-DMM for inclusion in R/C aircraft and rocketry hobby field boxes. Only low voltages would be worked with and extreme accuracy is not needed. Any recommendations? I don't see any dimension columns in the spreadsheet. Various really cheap mini-DMMs I've tried have all eventually died even though little used, some while just sitting in the field box, specifically this one:

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-multimeter-98025.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-multimeter-98025.html)

I found this to be the case just today which is why I'm posting this.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on April 06, 2015, 09:19:24 pm
This list only caters for True RMS meters with a minimum count of 6,000.
I would suggest a Fluke 101 for your basic field use.
Start another thread for other recommendations.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: g0uli on April 26, 2015, 01:21:45 am
Uni-T UT71x Series meters sourced from Germany are fitted with proper 1000 volt ceramic HRC fuses. The front panel ratings are downgraded to Cat 3 600v and Cat 2 1000v. Internal circuit layout remains substantially unchanged. So I would rate it as okay for use on protected domestic 240 volt circuits. Keep away from three phase and the input side of the mains supply.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: _Wim_ on May 03, 2015, 08:25:26 pm
Could it be the price for the Extech GX900 is incorrect? I was interessed in this one (if available for 300$), but all sellers I can find ask twice as much... Any other meter in the <300$ price range with 1mOhm resolution (excluding the finest and UEI)?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 04, 2015, 04:01:56 am
Yes, best price for the GX900 is around 600$. Will update the database later. The similar CEM 9987 meter goes for about 350$.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: _Wim_ on May 04, 2015, 05:05:33 am
Thanks for the tip on the CEM, but it seems it does not have the low resolution on the mOhm: http://cem-instruments.de/portfolio-item/true-rms-digital-multimeter-dt-9987/ (http://cem-instruments.de/portfolio-item/true-rms-digital-multimeter-dt-9987/)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 04, 2015, 08:22:22 am
No, only 10mOhm. Try a used Gossen 28S, if you live in Europe and don't want to pay more than 300$.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gossen-Metrawatt-Metrahit-28S-TRMS-Multimeter-FMA1-Feldmessadapter-defekt-/351372152460?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item51cf698e8c (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gossen-Metrawatt-Metrahit-28S-TRMS-Multimeter-FMA1-Feldmessadapter-defekt-/351372152460?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item51cf698e8c)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: _Wim_ on May 04, 2015, 07:08:26 pm
Thanks for the tip. The one in the link is broken, so that is an expensive gamble. Maybe I will safe up some more. As to living in Europe, yes, I live in Belgium also  :)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 04, 2015, 08:53:42 pm
That one is defective, but the ones in good working condition sell for about the same price. They come up regularly, if you can wait. As you seem to focus on accurate low resistance measurements, a 4-wire bench meter makes more sense.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: _Wim_ on May 04, 2015, 10:01:42 pm
Thanks, I will watch out for one. Actually, I am not really into to accurate low measurements, I just want a good repeatability and good resolution. I intend to use this for finding shorts or damaged ICs in broken equipment (by measuring trace resistance).

I agree a bench multimeter would be an option, but I have already two older ones (philips pm2525), but they get rarely used (I always grab my low cost chinese portable multimeter). So I figured it was time to add a decent portable multimeter to my collection, and it seemed a good idea to have the 1mOhm resolution.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mjkuwp on May 17, 2015, 02:00:13 pm
Correction candidate:

Extech MX560A and MX570A Best DC resolution is 10uV  0.010 mV {not 1 uV as presently listed}

Datasheet

http://www.extech.com/instruments/resources/datasheets/MM560A_MM570Adata.pdf (http://www.extech.com/instruments/resources/datasheets/MM560A_MM570Adata.pdf)

the lowest range is 500mV and this is a 50,000 count meter.

[ EDIT: CORRECTION, as Wyntnucls stated in the next message there is a momentary high resolution mode available to bring resolution to 500,000 counts in some modes (1 uV in DC mode).  It is clear enough in some places of the documentation ]

The GX900 however does have a 50mV range and thus better resolution.


Awesome reference!  Thanks so much for the hard work.  I am using this to choose a new meter for checking load cell outputs
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 17, 2015, 04:17:36 pm
AFAIK, MM570 and MM560 have a 500,000 HiRes mode in DC volt, so best resolution is 1uV with 500mV range.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: VK5RC on May 23, 2015, 11:23:26 am
Thanks for your efforts, curiosity has got the better of me, are you happy to say what DMMs do you own and what is/are your favourite/s DMM?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 23, 2015, 06:36:43 pm
Sure, it's no secret as I have reviewed a few of them already.
Starting from the top:

Keithley 2000
Rigol 3058E

Gossen Metra Hit 30M and 26S
Fluke 185 and 101
UNI-T 71D, 71B, 61E and 120C

If I was only allowed to keep one of the handheld meters, it would have to be the Fluke 185, for its versatility and friendly interface.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-185-review/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-185-review/)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: VK5RC on May 24, 2015, 08:53:46 am
Thanks for the info, I like the 185, a nice display and good layout , not too fussy. It seems like a great find.
Robert
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: _Wim_ on June 27, 2015, 06:26:02 am
Thanks, I will watch out for one. Actually, I am not really into to accurate low measurements, I just want a good repeatability and good resolution. I intend to use this for finding shorts or damaged ICs in broken equipment (by measuring trace resistance).

I agree a bench multimeter would be an option, but I have already two older ones (philips pm2525), but they get rarely used (I always grab my low cost chinese portable multimeter). So I figured it was time to add a decent portable multimeter to my collection, and it seemed a good idea to have the 1mOhm resolution.

I forgot to post an update, I decided to opt for the Brymen bm869 and bought a "half ohm" adaptor(http://jaanus.tech-thing.org/category/half-ohm/ (http://jaanus.tech-thing.org/category/half-ohm/)) . So far I am very satisfied with this combination.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on June 28, 2015, 09:03:12 pm
Latest spreadsheet, with new columns for voltage/current resolutions for bench meters and UL/GS safety listing for portable DMMs:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: 3roomlab on July 04, 2015, 09:20:00 pm
it seems UNI-T 513A

the finnicky tester has been "updated" to withstand its own "HV" problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkaJ6dmcsc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkaJ6dmcsc)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 05, 2015, 01:56:56 am
Greetings Wytnucls

A bit of a rare hen but I have seen them come up on Ebay occasionally and that is the Fluke 863 and 867B, I have most of the pdf's and a couple of brochures and saw an 863 go for $350 AUD recently down here. It looks like they were the true predecessor to the current 287/289 series and pretty sure that Martin has one. At the last minute I always seem to steer clear simply because they are getting a bit old in the tooth but they look like a nice meter, any thoughts of adding them.

Best Regards
Muttley

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 05, 2015, 02:09:58 am
Sure, I wasn't aware of their existence. They will be listed shortly.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDUzMA==/z/TJoAAOSwrklVgITh/$_12.JPG)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 05, 2015, 02:14:05 am
Brilliant.... :-+

I probably should have keep my mouth shut until after an acquisition.... :palm:

Not sure if they suffer from the super cap issue as the other 189s and 289s do and thats probably why I never committed to a purchase, they are graphical and logging multimeters only, no oscilloscope functions as such. I dont have any info on the 865 but have included the manual for the 863 and 867b below, the others are all too big to post.

Well Done and Many Thanks

Muttley
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 05, 2015, 03:47:08 am
There you go:
(They are not cheap though, but possibly worth the expense, if a rudimentary portable oscilloscope is needed)
There is also a Fluke 865, but I can't find the manual.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jancelot on July 09, 2015, 07:20:32 am
The Brymen BM257 has Hold feature,  please correct  the spreadsheet
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 09, 2015, 08:10:32 am
Hold yes, AutoHold no. The column reflects the presence of an auto hold feature, whereby a reading is held on the screen automatically, after measurement.

From Fluke's user manual:
The AutoHOLD mode captures the present reading on
the display. When a new, stable reading is detected, the
Meter beeps and displays the new reading.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jancelot on July 09, 2015, 09:57:01 am
Hold yes, AutoHold no. The column reflects the presence of an auto hold feature, whereby a reading is held on the screen automatically, after measurement.

From Fluke's user manual:
The AutoHOLD mode captures the present reading on
the display. When a new, stable reading is detected, the
Meter beeps and displays the new reading.

I see,  thank you.  What happens when a multimeter has different accuracy for each range,  you put the worst or the best?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 09, 2015, 10:01:06 am
I try to quote the best accuracy, usually on the lowest DC voltage range.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 09, 2015, 10:55:25 am
Latest spreadsheet with continuity test (latched, fast or slow) column:
As always, if you own one of the meters and spot a mistake, let me know and corrections will be made.

This is how the latched continuity works on the Fluke  8060A:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=160442;image) (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=160444;image)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jancelot on July 09, 2015, 12:04:18 pm
I have a suggestion:  include both hold (Hold) and auto hold (Ahld)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 09, 2015, 01:32:01 pm
Standard Hold (Push button) is not very interesting. Most meters on the list without AutoHold will have it.
Some meters have both features.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jancelot on July 09, 2015, 07:26:04 pm
What about a section for pen type multimeters?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 10, 2015, 01:34:00 am
No, thanks. I have enough work maintaining this database. Don't let me stop you publishing one yourself and while you're at it, list one for clamp meters and LCR meters too.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 15, 2015, 12:58:56 pm
Latest spreadsheet, with additional meters that do not meet the original criteria (6,000 count and true RMS), but are still worth considering, if count or RMS measurement is not critical.
They can be found in the 'Outsiders' page and consist of Fluke and Keithley meters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on July 15, 2015, 04:06:44 pm
Latest spreadsheet, with additional meters that do not meet the original criteria (6,000 count and true RMS), but are still worth considering, if count or RMS measurement is not critical.
They can be found in the 'Outsiders' page and consist of Fluke and Keithley meters.

What about adding the Amprobe AM-510? I know it doesn't meet your initial criteria but it was quite robust in Joe's testing.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 15, 2015, 05:52:09 pm
These lists cater mostly for electronics work instruments. High voltage robustness is not a major criteria. Besides, apart from the Fluke 87 V, the unscientific tests were conducted with cheap multimeters. There probably is a slew of other meters which would have performed just as well.
With all due respect, if user safety worries you, acquire a meter which has been underwritten by independent accredited testing agencies, instead a relying on someone on the internet, blasting a handful of meters with high voltage on all ranges.
The better AM-570 is on the spreadsheet already and doesn't cost much more.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: chbrules on July 29, 2015, 10:34:57 am
I shouldn't even be surprised there is this comprehensive of a listing of multimeters on the eevblog forums. You guys are amazing! :D

What are you guys' view on the best, simple, beginner's multimeter to get?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 29, 2015, 11:03:34 am
There is no absolute best. Everything is a compromise. Go through the list and see what features are important to you and how much you are prepared to spend.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on August 03, 2015, 03:21:57 pm
Screen update rate is not always mentioned in the datasheet of multimeters. It seems that a majority do 3 updates per second, which I find adequate. Anything above that speed, usually means that the last digits become a blur. There is no specific column for the update speed, but it is sometimes mentioned for particular meters under the 'Disp' column. Look for the red corner triangle.
The UNI-T UT-71A has a fast display mode (5-6 per second) but costs double your budget.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jancelot on August 03, 2015, 03:24:23 pm
Can someone recommand a ~50USD fast(5/sec+) update rate multimeter (preferably with fast auto-range too).
I'm surprised that update rate is not mentioned in the xls.
I've been searching but I haven't been able to track one down yet.

Thanks!
I can't recommend you a low price device,  but what you can do is to look for reviews on youtube and see which one may work for you.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: newDIY on August 10, 2015, 02:31:28 am
Great post.  A huge amount of work to do all this!

You might check the google Docs SS; line for the Agilent U1272A, as it is possible the line is mixed up with another model.  I believe the  U1272A has an LCD screen.

Also, prices on the lower end Agilent (Keysight) models seem a bit high, I recently checked the prices on the Keysight web page in USD, no taxes added:

U1232A, $138
U1233A, $168
U1241B, $206
U1242B, $226

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on August 10, 2015, 06:03:46 pm
The UT1272A line is fine. it also includes similar models with OLED screens (1273A 1273AX). I will leave a note to emphasize that the A model has an LCD instead.
The quoted prices are at least a year old now and may have been gathered from a European site.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Clear as mud on August 20, 2015, 12:51:13 am
Is there a reason Sperry Instruments meters are not listed?  They have two models that are true RMS, the DM6650T and the DM8700.  You can see an overview of all their multimeters on pages 16 and 17 of their online catalog, and the details of those two models are on page 21.  Here is a link to page 16: http://www.delzer.com/powerproducts/sperrycatalog/#16/z (http://www.delzer.com/powerproducts/sperrycatalog/#16/z)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on August 20, 2015, 01:31:57 am
I think it maybe because they are already listed here under their original branding which appears to be mostly Unitrend or UnitT, one or two look like Metex but I could be wrong, also the list is primarily for meters of 6000 count or more, Wytnucls will know.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mos6502 on September 10, 2015, 11:10:59 am
Can you add to the backlight info the duration, and if the backlight timer can be switched off? This would be really useful info. Currently I'm looking for a meter where you can keep the backlight permanently on.

Here's some data:

Code: [Select]
Model          Duration     Timer can be disabled
Fluke 87V      68s          no
Brymen BM869   30s          no
Brymen BM859   30s          no
Uni-T UT139C   15s          no
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 10, 2015, 03:39:41 pm
There is some info on backlight already, in cell notes. The backlight duration can be adjusted in steps on some meters, like the UT71 series.
Very few meters can have the auto OFF function disabled altogether. (So far, I've only found that feature on the Gossen Energy and the discontinued Fluke 185/183 aka Tektronix TX3/1)
I will tag those few with a '^' in their 'Light' cells.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mos6502 on September 10, 2015, 05:34:00 pm
There is some info on backlight already, in cell notes. The backlight duration can be adjusted in steps on some meters, like the UT71 series.
Very few meters can have the auto OFF function disabled altogether. (So far, I've only found that feature on the Gossen Energy and the discontinued Fluke 185/183 aka Tektronix TX3/1)
I will tag those few with a '^' in their 'Light' cells.

Hey thanks. That's not looking good. Looks like I'll just have to mod my UT139C. Luckily the backlight circuit is extremely simple.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 11, 2015, 07:00:55 am
Actually, after some careful reading of datasheets, it seems that more of the high-end meters from the top manufacturers have a backlight override feature (Fluke 289, Keysight 1251/71, Hioki 4282)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: nugglix on September 12, 2015, 11:16:53 am
Hi!

Thanks for the ongoing excellent work!

One little thing:
It seems you marked the HMC8012 benchtop as having no date & time.
But there is a setting under setup->misc->date&time.

Cheers
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 12, 2015, 12:05:38 pm
Thanks for the correction. Yes, the 8012 has a date and time function for data stamp. I'm not sure if it stays in sync when the meter is switched off or if it has to be reset each time. Will correct the sheet on the next update.

8.4.2 Date & Time
The soft menu key Date&Time allows you to set the time
and date and add a date and time stamp to printouts and
saved data records. The user can reset the date and time.
Date and time can be set via knob. The respective soft
menu item is activated when it is marked in yellow. Press
Save to accept the date and time parameters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Bobson on September 29, 2015, 07:17:22 pm
Great job Wytnucls, a lot of new models!


Some corrections of CEM DT-9979 datum (I own it and could make/give all screenshots if needed):

1. It has AC+DC Volts and Amps, both AC DC (shows separate AC and DC) and AC+DC (sum of both).
2. Don't understand, why do you show AC BW as 1KHz? It is either 10K (1000V) or 100K (<500V) for AC TRMS as stated in the manual. Is it measured value?
3. Best accuracy is 0.025% for DC, not 0.02%
4. Diode test voltage is not 2.8V but 3.2V mentioned in the manual and 3.25V tested, so it is good for many LEDs.
5. It definetely DOES NOT have 20mA current loop test!
6. It has 2 levels of backlight.
7. It has a lot of MAX/MIN functions, including number of matches and weighted mean. It has LOZ for AC voltage. LFV is mentioned in the manual, but I don't see it in the menus - so it is most probably missing.
8. It has counter for events and editable events threshold  settings (1-100%).
9. Unfortunately, it DOES NOT has external power. You could not use DMM while in charge mode.

It DOES NOT have NCV.

For me, one giant drawback compared to Fluke 287/289 is an absence of the ZOOM mode. You need to upload collected data to Android/PC in order to mangle the graphs. Maybe it is fixed in the later firmware, my version is 1.04.


Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 29, 2015, 08:19:09 pm
Thanks for the corrections. I found the manual on line now. Had to rely on CEM's site previously.
TRMS AC bandwidth is lower: 10kHz with 3% accuracy. I don't take into account bandwidth accuracies above 3%.
No LoZ, but VFD, according to the manual.
Will update the database on the next revision.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on September 29, 2015, 10:53:57 pm
Here is the latest Excel file with a few additions and some alterations:

Hi
Is your spreadsheet locked for formatting?  I cannot read some rows and I would like to change the cells format but it is grayed out in Libreoffice.

thanks
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 30, 2015, 11:07:38 am
I'm not familiar with LibreOffice, but nothing is locked on the spreadsheet (MS Office 2010). You can modify it to your heart's content.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Lightages on September 30, 2015, 02:23:35 pm
Libre Office is another branch off from Open Office. I had problems with some documents in Libre Office and so switched back to Open Office.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ioclk on October 24, 2015, 08:19:58 pm
Thank you, great work!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: -pk- on November 07, 2015, 02:19:40 am
Can someone explain the blind spot on Amps? If the meter says 10A max, but the spreadsheet lists 5A. Does this mean it can only read up to 5A accurately, or is it accurate across the 10A range except somewhere around 5A. If it falls out of spec at the blind spot, by how much...1%?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on November 12, 2015, 08:44:27 pm
New update with the latest Keysight meters and a few corrections.

I hope someday there will be an update for people with bad eyes

Black fonts on dark blue is impossible for me to read  :--

With locked cells it is also very hard to change  :--

Otherwise  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 12, 2015, 08:56:48 pm
Everything is readable if used with MS Excel. There are few dark blue cells and those have white fonts anyway.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: gameru on November 12, 2015, 09:08:23 pm
In your table at Brymen BM867,appear (light off after 30s) it is wrong.Se go off after 16s
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 12, 2015, 09:17:13 pm
The new model may be different.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on November 12, 2015, 09:22:07 pm
Everything is readable if used with MS Excel. There are few dark blue cells and those have white fonts anyway.

Maybe this is the problem - I use LibreOffice  :-[     I cannot afford Excel.

Attached is a screen shot

Look at Rows 2 and 20  - very hard to read

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: gameru on November 12, 2015, 09:25:25 pm
I have the  new model BM867s.In my manual write 32s.I sent an email to Brymen,the response it was (I was checking BM867s design with engineer and found its designed backlight time is 16 seconds, not 32 seconds. I will be revising BM867s manual for next mass printing. Thanks for feeding back discrepancy to us.  )

Even the model BM869 have this problem.
The back-light timer was hiding a small annoyance for my taste, at the hard copy of the User’s manual it is clearly say that the BM869 holds the back-light on for 32 seconds, and in my BM869 it works just for 16 seconds.
The information that I got from BRYMEN was “typographical error”.
Also the specific model does not offer any special power-up mode about disabling the back-light timer.
The text was copied from a review made by Kiriakos

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 13, 2015, 07:26:53 pm
Quote: I cannot afford Excel

MS Excel viewer is a free download:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 13, 2015, 07:47:29 pm
Can someone explain the blind spot on Amps? If the meter says 10A max, but the spreadsheet lists 5A. Does this mean it can only read up to 5A accurately, or is it accurate across the 10A range except somewhere around 5A. If it falls out of spec at the blind spot, by how much...1%?
AC current measurement, because of the true RMS converter limitation of 10% of range, is tricky. On a 40,000 count meter for instance, there is a zone below 1A on the 10A range, where measurements are not to be trusted. Ideally, the meter should have a 4A range, to cover the dead zone between 400mA and 1A . DC current measurements are not affected.
Check your equipment, as all true RMS meters which lack an intermediate A range could be affected.
Errors can be very substantial.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on November 28, 2015, 12:17:59 pm
Wytnucls, any reason (other than age, perhaps) the Keithley 191 is out of the list? I think it is a great meter on paper for a dirt cheap price. The reason is that I was looking for one and found it missing from the table.

BTW, regarding free/non-free viewers, Openoffice (free office package) opens the spreadsheet just fine.

Also, as I said before, great work on the spreadsheet!

(edit) added 191's specsheet
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 28, 2015, 02:03:55 pm
No particular reason, except that I wasn't familiar with it. It will be listed at the next revision.

(http://www.custom-cal.com/images/instruments/267/191.jpg)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on November 28, 2015, 07:03:25 pm
No particular reason, except that I wasn't familiar with it. It will be listed at the next revision.

(http://www.custom-cal.com/images/instruments/267/191.jpg)

I have been looking at this one.  Why does this one show a reading with nothing connected to it?  Is it bad?  Several on ebay also show readings of some sort with no wires connected?  thanks
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: allikat on December 04, 2015, 06:27:37 am
Meters often show some slight measurements when open circuit. It's just electrical noise and induced voltages as far as I know. Those will often show up, but it will settle down as soon as you put an actual circuit on the end of the probes.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on December 04, 2015, 12:15:32 pm
No particular reason, except that I wasn't familiar with it. It will be listed at the next revision.
U da man. Thanks!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: FireFlower on December 05, 2015, 12:09:11 am
What is with that updated spreadsheet download with EEVBlog DM1 branded multimeter?

Google doesn't return any results for it.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tautech on January 01, 2016, 09:23:55 pm
Wytnucls, has there been any further developments of the OWON DMM's?
You stated you added them to your spreadsheet: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/need-advise-for-owon-multimeter/msg675501/#msg675501 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/need-advise-for-owon-multimeter/msg675501/#msg675501)

Latest in the OP does not show them or am I blind?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 02, 2016, 04:14:48 am
Owon B35T is listed in the downloadable spreadsheet. The image on post one hasn't been updated in a while.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: kevbry on January 02, 2016, 04:41:20 am
What is with that updated spreadsheet download with EEVBlog DM1 branded multimeter?

Google doesn't return any results for it.

Any news on this? I found a post from November where Dave stated that a rebadged Brymen would be out "this month", but no updates since.
Edit: Found another post stating that the Brymen collaboration would be coming out in January. Looking forward to it, specs in the spreadsheet looked nice.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 02, 2016, 05:32:59 am
Tentative specs. To be updated once meter is released.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 03, 2016, 03:34:41 pm
Hi,
I have HIOKI DT4256 and I would like to contribute to the chart.

This is the list I could investigated so far.

Count
  6000
AC+
  Yes
BW
  1k
DUT
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
AC volt
  100uV
DC Accuracy
  30/-/3
DC amp min
  10nA
DC amp max
  10A
bw
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
m?
  100mohm
nS/M?
  60M
Cnt
  very fast
pF
  x (1nF min)
mF
  10mF
Dio
  5
?Hz
  100k
%
  yes (DT4256 has it)
W
  x

  x
PC
  yes
Kit
  option
Int Log
  x
Clock
  x
Disp
  2
Light
  light blue
'I'''I
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
'M/m
  yes
Peak
  x
Hld
  yes (it has auto hold, identical to Flue touch hold)
dB
  x
LoZ
  x
VFD
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
Evt
  x
Batt
  4AAA
Life
  130hour
F G
  x
E Pwr
  x
Jack
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
Fuse
  1000
CAT
  III 1000>
P/F
  x
4-20
  (i am not sure about the meaning)
NCV
  x
UL
  ?
Price
  $200


I could not figure out some of the abbreviation.
There might be some mistakes or misunderstanding, so I welcome any kind of comments or questions.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on January 04, 2016, 05:55:01 am
4-20
  (i am not sure about the meaning)
--------------
Reads 4ma to 20ma as a percentage

at 4ma meter reads 0 %

at 20ma meter reads 100%

at 12ma meter reads  50%

etc  nice feature
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 04, 2016, 07:40:01 am
The new Hioki DT4256 will be included in the next revision.
No AC+DC, 1mV AC (100uV DC) and 10uA DC (100uA AC) resolution only, no logic level frequency %, but has non contact high voltage detection.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 04, 2016, 10:35:36 am
Thank you ez24,

I found that all the abbreviations were addressed as comments on the excel file.

Hi Wytnucls,

Would like to correct some mistakes on my previous HIOKI DT4256 post.

BW
  1kHz

Volt
  1mV

DC uA
  10uA

A
  10A

bw
  1k Hz (also DT4252 and DT4253 are the same)

'I'''I
  Yes, it has bar graph.

m/M
  It has average.

VFD
  It has low pass filter, selectable on 100Hz and 500Hz.

NCV
  Selectable between, AC40V-AC600V or AC60V-AC600V.

4-20
  Yes (on DT4256 and 4253, and not on 4252)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 04, 2016, 10:43:20 am
This is about Yokogawa.

All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 have:

Jack
  Physical port shutter.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 04, 2016, 11:17:21 am
I found that

UL
   All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 are UL listed.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 04, 2016, 11:35:26 am
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 04, 2016, 11:48:12 am
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 04, 2016, 11:51:11 am
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 06, 2016, 06:45:12 am
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.
Not according to the Yokogawa manuals. Quote a reference with your corrections.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 06, 2016, 06:46:55 am
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Again, no LoZ on TY720. Read the manual.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 06, 2016, 06:54:35 am
I found that

UL
   All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 are UL listed.
530, 520 are not UL listed.

http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 06, 2016, 07:03:02 am
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
4252 600mV 20/-/5
4253 600mV 50/-/5
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 07, 2016, 12:28:15 pm
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.
Not according to the Yokogawa manuals. Quote a reference with your corrections.

Hi,

I did refer to original Japanese manuals and materials, since I am Japanese and could read in Japanese.
Many Japanese companies are not so good at making English web-sites in general.
Iwatsu and Leader do not look good compare to Japanese web-sites, but even the Japanese one is not so great.
Hioki andYokogawa are mostly OK but I see some places it could have been improved.

This is community forum and I just wanted to help improving the chart.
I thought having many people from the world would benefit on this forum and also good place to put the knowledge together.
I really did not have any other intention.

I own both TY530 and DT4256.

This is the manual about low pass filter.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192011)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192013)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 07, 2016, 12:31:24 pm
I found that

UL
   All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 are UL listed.
530, 520 are not UL listed.

http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf)

English web site is not always up to date.
I thought it is good to verify who could read the original Japanese.

This is dated on 2011.
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf)

This is the official UL list from the UL web-site which specifies about TY700 and TY500 series.

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=PICQ.E214270&ccnshorttitle=Measuring,+Testing+and+Signal-generation+Equipment&objid=1075210338&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073991173&sequence=1 (http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=PICQ.E214270&ccnshorttitle=Measuring,+Testing+and+Signal-generation+Equipment&objid=1075210338&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073991173&sequence=1)

This is the pictures regarding UL.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192015)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192017)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 07, 2016, 12:32:52 pm

I will reply others later.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 08, 2016, 01:50:41 am
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Again, no LoZ on TY720. Read the manual.

This is the manual.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192097)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 08, 2016, 01:52:24 am
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
4252 600mV 20/-/5
4253 600mV 50/-/5

This is the images for accuracy.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192099)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192101)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 08, 2016, 07:44:27 am
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Again, no LoZ on TY720. Read the manual.

This is the manual.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192097)
That's not a loZ function, as used to cancel false readings due to ghost voltage presence (capacitive coupling)
Read up on ghost voltage if you don't know what it is. (No 3 on the first post of this thread)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 08, 2016, 07:50:32 am
UL listing for 530 and 520 is now correct (2016)
The document I referred to was from Dec 2011.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 08, 2016, 10:05:57 am
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
4252 600mV 20/-/5
4253 600mV 50/-/5

This is the images for accuracy.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192099)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=192101)
The Hioki 4252 has a special high accuracy 600mV DC range, 0.2%+5.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 09, 2016, 09:35:43 am
You are correct, the TY710 doesn't come with VFD. The other meters do. All the meters have port blanking. The spreadsheet will be corrected later.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: shempe on January 16, 2016, 06:12:05 pm
One of my favourite Bench DMM Meters .

maybe you can include it.

Texio DL-2060G  http://www.texio.co.jp/en/03prod_01_04_08.html (http://www.texio.co.jp/en/03prod_01_04_08.html)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on January 19, 2016, 12:04:39 am
One of my favourite Bench DMM Meters .

maybe you can include it.

Texio DL-2060G  http://www.texio.co.jp/en/03prod_01_04_08.html (http://www.texio.co.jp/en/03prod_01_04_08.html)

Pretty certain that is just a rebadge of the Picotest M3500A, just with a different color scheme
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: shempe on January 19, 2016, 12:19:59 am
Quote
Pretty certain that is just a rebadge of the Picotest M3500A, just with a different color scheme

Yes indeed, it is the same.

Im sorry, I was not aware of the Picotest M3500A.

And the Picotest M3500A look´s like the Keithley 2100

Curious question, are the Firmware Update´s  from the other Unit´s usable with my Unit ?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on January 21, 2016, 01:28:35 am
Quote
Pretty certain that is just a rebadge of the Picotest M3500A, just with a different color scheme

Yes indeed, it is the same.

Im sorry, I was not aware of the Picotest M3500A.

And the Picotest M3500A look´s like the Keithley 2100

Curious question, are the Firmware Update´s  from the other Unit´s usable with my Unit ?

The Keithley 2100 is also a M3500A rebadge, as you noticed.

I have no clue on the firmware to be honest. It would be a crap shoot and you risk bricking your meter.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on February 03, 2016, 11:57:06 am
Wytnucls, one detail regarding battery life on Fluke's 175/177/179: in both manuals I have (an original from my 179 and a copy I downloaded from their website), I see it listed as being 400 hours. Perhaps you have a different source?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 03, 2016, 12:49:57 pm
I can't remember where I got that figure from. I see Element 14 has it as 200hrs also. I will change it to 400hrs at the next revision. Thanks for your input.
http://in.element14.com/fluke/fluke-177/multimeter-digital-hand-held-6000/dp/3558680?mckv=svf5CnTY5|pcrid|86562217480&CMP=KNC-GOO-SKU-G30-FLU (http://in.element14.com/fluke/fluke-177/multimeter-digital-hand-held-6000/dp/3558680?mckv=svf5CnTY5|pcrid|86562217480&CMP=KNC-GOO-SKU-G30-FLU)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: retiredcaps on February 10, 2016, 07:33:51 am
I can't remember where I got that figure from. I see Element 14 has it as 200hrs also. I will change it to 400hrs at the next revision.
Wrt to the 200 and 400 hour confusion ....

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-77iv-and-179-differences-with-teardown-photos/msg804693/#msg804693 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-77iv-and-179-differences-with-teardown-photos/msg804693/#msg804693)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: hammy on February 11, 2016, 10:36:56 pm
Thank you!  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: willocks1718 on February 15, 2016, 01:14:37 am
I am narrowing down your multimeter list to purchase a new one soon and was looking at the Brymen BM857.  In column H (uA, best DC current resolution) it says 10nA but instead either green, white, yellow, or red for high, average, low or danger, it is a tan color that looks like it was maybe missing feature.  However the tan color isn't the same as with your legend so figured it meant something else.  What does that color mean in your table?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 15, 2016, 05:07:34 pm
Not tan, but light green, to differentiate from meters with a 1nA resolution (full green).
Use MS Excel viewer to pick up the right colors.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: broz on February 16, 2016, 05:31:37 pm
Thank you for this! I'm in the process of researching the purchase of my first DMM and was only aware of a few brands, and a few models for each of those brands. This spreadsheet blew my mind as well as opened my eyes!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 18, 2016, 12:51:41 pm
Family picture of all TRMS 6000+ count multimeters (new and old) :
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fredboivin on February 21, 2016, 12:54:06 am
I can't open the new file, it says it's been encrypted with an encoding that's not available in my country. Am I the only one? I was able to open the previous ones.

EDIT: Just open it in Google Spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on February 22, 2016, 09:54:28 am
This is about Yokogawa.

All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 have:

Jack
  Physical port shutter.

Hi Wytnucls,

Hope this helps.

http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/TY700_User_Manual.pdf (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/TY700_User_Manual.pdf)
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_E_030.pdf (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_E_030.pdf)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=203071)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=203073)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=203075)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=203077)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: willocks1718 on February 27, 2016, 02:01:54 am
Hey, thanks for this resource, the spreadsheet is great.  I saw the how to choose a DMM link at the top but I personally would find a simpler more concise table easier and more helpful.  I am looking for a multimeter for some beginner electronics work and some basic home mains wiring.  So if there was somewhere linked with your master spreadsheet that said for electronics you would recommend a meter this accurate or with at least this DC current resolution. And home wiring you should look for DMMs with these values. 

Can you recommend some values from your table you think would be the most important to have for basic electronics and some home mains (120 V) work?

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2016, 11:10:19 am
If you don't know what to buy, get the EEVBlog Brymen 235. Safe, useful and priced right.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: hammy on February 27, 2016, 03:35:02 pm
If you don't know what to buy, get the EEVBlog Brymen 235. Safe, useful and priced right.

+1  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mos6502 on February 28, 2016, 04:28:42 am
Here's a correction: I just found out that the backlight on the Fluke 87V does NOT turn off automatically! How awesome is that? I get to decide when the backlight turns off! I didn't even know such a meter existed!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 28, 2016, 02:26:55 pm
Yes, most of the high-end Fluke, Hioki and Keysight meters have the feature. It is a select club; as far as I can tell, none of the cheaper meters have it.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mos6502 on February 28, 2016, 02:55:09 pm
I'm just saying, because the spreadsheet says "Auto off after 60s" ...

Also, the original series Fluke 87 does have a backlight, that info is missing in the spreadsheet: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fluke-87-TRUE-RMS-Multimeter-/111913882788 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fluke-87-TRUE-RMS-Multimeter-/111913882788)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 28, 2016, 03:56:43 pm
Yes, I know, the feature can be overridden on start. The sheet will be corrected later.
The original 87 is already listed has having a green backlight. Perhaps your software doesn't show it.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mos6502 on February 28, 2016, 06:48:58 pm
Yes, I know, the feature can be overridden on start. The sheet will be corrected later.
The original 87 is already listed has having a green backlight. Perhaps your software doesn't show it.

Nope, the 87V has no backlight timer at all. There is no option to have the backlight turn off automatically. Once you turn it on, it stays on until you turn it off, or until the meter turns itself off after ~31 minutes.

I'm using LibreOffice Calc (I use Linux). The 'light' cell on the 87 is shown as grey. See attachment. The spreadsheet seems to be working fine in Calc.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 28, 2016, 08:01:30 pm
OK, I get it now. Just a straight ON/OFF button, with 2 levels of brightness.
I recommend the free MS Excel viewer for best experience or the free WPS Office.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mos6502 on February 29, 2016, 10:04:59 am
OK, I get it now. Just a straight ON/OFF button, with 2 levels of brightness.

 :-+

But wait, here's another one: the 87V actually has a max. resolution of 10nA in uA mode, not 100nA. Check out the specs:

http://en-us.fluke.com/products/digital-multimeters/fluke-87v-digital-multimeter.html#techspecs (http://en-us.fluke.com/products/digital-multimeters/fluke-87v-digital-multimeter.html#techspecs)

Also, and here the specs are wrong, it has a max. resolution of 10 milliohms. It shows two decimals in the 600 ohms range in hi-res mode.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 29, 2016, 11:10:51 am
As noted for the cell, 6000 count resolution quoted. No Hires figures for any meters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Hendry Born on March 02, 2016, 10:45:12 pm
Wow, This list is impressive


Recently I ordered a Bremen BM869.
I was amazed by the positive reviews I found on several blogs, especially Martin who convinced me to try them.
Otherwise I was opting for the Agilent U1252B

All the rest of the stuff I own if Fluke and I must say never had a big problem so far.
(only the battery in my Fluke 43 and 123)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: TnF on March 09, 2016, 10:46:32 pm
Very nice spreadsheet, although in excel 2013 the comment boxes need to be edited to show all the info, it's PITA to edit in excel, although why are the Brymen 9XX series are missing? 6000 counts and True RMS. Maybe they have not yet been added or i'm missing something. It would be nice if there was a sheet for automotive DMM's too, mainly because i'm looking to buy one at the moment (but not only for auto work so i'm kinda stuck):p
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 10, 2016, 01:04:12 am
Apart from the fact that I have no interest in automotive meters, they are quite numerous and would clog up the spreadsheet, diluting its effectiveness. A separate sheet would be more beneficial. The same applies to scope multimeters. If you feel creative, there is nothing stopping you from publishing your own.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on March 14, 2016, 08:28:07 am
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.

This is the chart from here about low pass filter.
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/BUDMM_EN_120_2.pdf (http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/BUDMM_EN_120_2.pdf)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=208307)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on March 14, 2016, 08:33:11 am
You are correct, the TY710 doesn't come with VFD. The other meters do. All the meters have port blanking. The spreadsheet will be corrected later.

Hi Wytnucls,

Gentle reminder ping?

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=208313)


Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 14, 2016, 09:50:16 am
Thanks, the master file has now been updated.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: landswipe on March 17, 2016, 10:21:22 pm
If you don't know what to buy, get the EEVBlog Brymen 235. Safe, useful and priced right.

Just curious when the 235 will be added to the spreadsheet? Is anyone working on it?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 17, 2016, 10:26:54 pm
It has been on the list since post 325.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ben_r_ on April 07, 2016, 05:04:02 pm
Crazy! Great work. That is an amazing feat organizing this list.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on April 09, 2016, 03:22:30 am
Latest spreadsheet with a few new meters and some corrections:

Great! Thanks :)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rado on April 11, 2016, 08:40:17 pm
Hello - I'm new here, deciding to upgrade my 15+ year old "el cheapo" and found your spreadsheet an excellent resource - many thanks!

Scanning through some of my shortlisted ones in your latest copy (dated April 6th 2016) I believe that Keysight U1241C doesn't really have non-contact voltage detection, at least their datasheet says it's U1242C-only (your spreadsheet lists it for both U1241C/U1242C).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on April 12, 2016, 03:58:26 am
Correct. May have come from this silly Keysight statement: 'The U1240C Series handheld DMM have Vsense'
Master copy has been modified. Thanks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: patman27 on May 01, 2016, 11:07:04 pm
By Jove, this list is beautiful. Thank you Wytnucls.

Possible correction: Extech EX520 and EX530 do have DUT (duty cycle, correct?) functions.

Source: Manufacturer datasheet. And I own an EX530  :D
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 02, 2016, 06:09:10 am
No, DUT in electronics, means device under test.
Some meters can auto select the range (AC, DC, Ohm, etc..) depending on what device or circuit the probes are connected to.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: furtman on May 23, 2016, 06:45:03 pm
Hi

I think, there is another small error (sheet  of  06.04.2016): The Metrel MD9016 seem to be a rebranded Brymen BM252(?) , not  a BM257

but still a great job, thx!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 25, 2016, 05:04:51 am
Well spotted. It is the BM252, which isn't true RMS. The sheet will be corrected for the next edition.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: iXod on May 29, 2016, 01:44:39 am
A great resource. Thanks!

Regarding categories (DMM, Bench), maybe you mean "handheld"? They are all DMMs. Sub-categories are handheld (or "portable") and bench.

In my mind, anyway.

Doesn't take away from your great effort.

Thanks again,
iX (former writer...)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 29, 2016, 08:24:12 am
Of course. The explanation is that the 2nd and 3rd pages were published much later and the relevant name of the first one never got changed.
I don't think it confused anyone. I'll think of more descriptive page names for the next release.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: 2x2l on June 05, 2016, 07:51:04 pm
http://www.fluke.com/fluke/vnen/Digital-Multimeters/Fluke-117.htm?PID=55996 (http://www.fluke.com/fluke/vnen/Digital-Multimeters/Fluke-117.htm?PID=55996)

Looks like you have 10 years for the 117. I think the 114,5,7 all are 3 years now :(
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on June 06, 2016, 08:38:14 am
You are correct. That's also true for the Fluke 233 and the $650 Fluke 1587 insulation meter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
Post by: PointyOintment on June 11, 2016, 07:57:42 am
Column headings are explained in the notes found on the first heading row.

Very helpful; I was about to ask what they all mean. Only problem is that they're practically unreadable without this macro (https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/excel/1572-excel-autosize-comments.html):
Quote
Code: [Select]
Sub FitComments()
'Updateby20140325
Dim xComment As Comment
For Each xComment In Application.ActiveSheet.Comments
    xComment.Shape.TextFrame.AutoSize = True
Next
End Sub
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on June 11, 2016, 09:41:16 am
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I changed spreadsheet editor recently on a new computer and files saved with an .xls extension have text boxes corrupted, unless viewed with WPS Office (https://www.wps.com/wps-office-personal (https://www.wps.com/wps-office-personal)).
The next version will be edited on MS Excel and cells should have the proper comment box size when viewed with MS Excel.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Bobson on July 08, 2016, 06:11:25 pm
According to docs, Appa 305 does not have clock.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 09, 2016, 11:56:51 am
Correct. Database will be modified. Thanks.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: MMDuino on July 16, 2016, 12:33:16 pm
Would you please help me, isn't SIGLENT  or OWON a good brands for the Benchtop Multimeters?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tautech on July 16, 2016, 08:40:16 pm
Would you please help me, isn't SIGLENT  or OWON a good brands for the Benchtop Multimeters?
As much as he might like to, Wytnucls can't be expected to offer advice on any equipment that he does not have, maybe based on comparison of specs yes, but you can do that for yourself.
There's a number of threads of various brands and models, use the search button to find them.

Here's the Siglent SDM3055 5 1/2 digit thread for your study:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 17, 2016, 01:49:19 pm
Would you please help me, isn't SIGLENT  or OWON a good brands for the Benchtop Multimeters?
They are new brands in the bench top market, competing mostly with Rigol at the low end.
If you can get past some teething problems with software and chinglish, they'll probably do an acceptable job at a more affordable price than mainstream bench meters, while using the same eye candy TFT color screen.
That's a bonus for someone on a budget.
Little in-depth information is available for the Owon meter, but the scant published specs seem similar to the ones found on the Siglent machine.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 21, 2016, 12:43:04 am
Perhaps being a new product, I couldn't find very much information on the Owon in regards to manuals, dealers or pricing, they do list a WiFi option which may interest some people and initial indications are a 3 year warranty on both the Owon and the Siglent meters, as yet I haven't compared the specifications but they do look close, it might be a matter of waiting for reviews and such on this one.   :-\ :-DMM

Edit: Updated pictures and the quick start guide for the Owon XDM3051 is now available and linked below, a big thanks to Oritech Australia for their assistance.

Quick start guide. (slow horrible page, refresh seems to work)
http://www.owon.com.hk/service_down.asp?SortID_1=4&SortID_2=5 (http://www.owon.com.hk/service_down.asp?SortID_1=4&SortID_2=5)

Oritech Australia.
http://www.oritech.com.au/ (http://www.oritech.com.au/)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on August 02, 2016, 11:12:53 pm
It looks like Siglent have added a new bench multimeter to the SDM range, the SDM3045X with 4.5 digits, 60000 count, 0.01% basic DC accuracy and very similar to the 5.5 digit SDM-3055 in feature set.   :-DMM

Trio Test and Measurement.
http://www.triotest.com.au/shop/siglent-technologies/3990-siglent-sdm3045x-4-12-digit-dual-display-digital-multimeter-with-usb-lan.html (http://www.triotest.com.au/shop/siglent-technologies/3990-siglent-sdm3045x-4-12-digit-dual-display-digital-multimeter-with-usb-lan.html)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on August 03, 2016, 03:34:00 am
The spreadsheet doesn't list 4.5 digit bench meters, unless they have a HiRes mode also.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on August 03, 2016, 04:12:43 am
Sorry my mistake, I can shift that last post elsewhere if you like.   ;D

Also I'm not sure if this unit qualifies for the list but I recently acquired one of these TTI 1906 meters, 5.5 digit, 210000 count.   :-DMM

Many thanks for your great effort.   :-+

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ShuntSeries on August 04, 2016, 03:08:02 pm
Thanks for this! Good info!!  :-+

In case anybody else had the same problem as I did reading the comments (I have Excel 2013), I ran a quick macro to autosize all the comments so they're legible. It's the same data as the latest version on the original post as of this posting.  I marked it April 2016 to be clear.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: buyman on August 25, 2016, 09:36:32 am
Hioki DT4282 has both Hold and Autohold-Feature. What I can tell from the Hioki 2016 Cataloge the whole DT428x and DT425x Range has Display Hold and Auto Hold Feature.

The DT422x and DT421x are missing the "Auto Hold" feature.


Source: DT4282 lying next to me & Hioki 2016 Field Measuring Instruments brochure.


Edit: And the Amprobe 38XR-A has at least a "Hold"-button included. At least the EU-Version I bought recently.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on August 25, 2016, 07:21:18 pm
Thanks for this! Good info!!  :-+

In case anybody else had the same problem as I did reading the comments (I have Excel 2013), I ran a quick macro to autosize all the comments so they're legible. It's the same data as the latest version on the original post as of this posting.  I marked it April 2016 to be clear.

What comments?  The info in the cells?
Can you change the cell colors?  I cannot read black font on dark blue background.  I would appreciate if you can lighten up the blue a little.  For example Row 2.
If not, is it possible I can get an editable version so I can change the cell colors?
thanks
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: wencm on August 28, 2016, 09:27:46 am
Hello there:
I find an update. The Brymen BM257 change to  BM257s.Increase of 10 amperes.
And Brymen BM235 is the same.
BM867->BM867S
BM869->BM869S
BM859->BM859S
BM857->BM857S
BM829->BM829S
BM525->BM525S
http://www.lockinc.com.tw/html/product/index.aspx?brand=35 (http://www.lockinc.com.tw/html/product/index.aspx?brand=35)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: KD0CAC John on August 28, 2016, 01:02:33 pm
Hello there:
I find an update. The Brymen BM257 change to  BM257s.Increase of 10 amperes.
And Brymen BM235 is the same.
BM867->BM867S
BM869->BM869S
BM859->BM859S
BM857->BM857S
BM829->BM829S
BM525->BM525S
http://www.lockinc.com.tw/html/product/index.aspx?brand=35 (http://www.lockinc.com.tw/html/product/index.aspx?brand=35)


Did not see any option for english ?
Funny my translator did not light up .
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: wencm on August 28, 2016, 02:44:10 pm
BM235
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: wencm on August 28, 2016, 02:48:35 pm
BM257S PAGE 1
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: wencm on August 28, 2016, 02:52:42 pm
BM257S PAGE 2
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: wencm on August 29, 2016, 03:59:26 pm
Brymen bm82x &bm52x diode open circuit voltage is 3.5VDC
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ShuntSeries on September 07, 2016, 04:25:54 pm

What comments?  The info in the cells?
Can you change the cell colors?  I cannot read black font on dark blue background.  I would appreciate if you can lighten up the blue a little.  For example Row 2.
If not, is it possible I can get an editable version so I can change the cell colors?
thanks

The file is editable. You might have to click the "Enable Editing" button in excel (usually comes up in a yellow banner underneath the ribbon) because excel doesn't usually trust files downloaded from the internet.

Comments are in every cell with a red triangle in the top right. Hover over one of those cells and you will see text. I just autosized those because not all of the text showed up in the pop-up window before, at least in my version of Excel.

I don't see the color issue on my screen, but in excel, you can use Ctrl+H (find and replace). Then click Options > Next to "Find what" click Format > Choose Format From Cell > and click the cell with the color you can't read. Then you can change the format you want to replace it with by clicking "Format" that is next to "Replace with" and when you're finished, click Replace All.

This may be slightly different in older excel versions, but I remember it was still possible to find and replace based on the cell format.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ez24 on September 07, 2016, 08:21:25 pm
I downloaded and opened to see if I could edit and the colors have changed so I can read it now and I do not need to edit it    :-+

Thanks Wytnucls



Can I make a suggestion :  sort on the name of the company  so Extech will come before Vichy
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: xnorbi on October 06, 2016, 12:33:50 pm
At Brymen brand at line BM867 in collumn "T" there is a "v" sign. What does this "v" means? It has temperature measurement capability?

Iam before of buying one like this meter, the price is affordable, it has a lot of funcionality, but I realy need to have temperature capabilities (not needed to be very accurate).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: omgfire on October 06, 2016, 01:36:23 pm
At Brymen brand at line BM867 in collumn "T" there is a "v" sign. What does this "v" means? It has temperature measurement capability?

Iam before of buying one like this meter, the price is affordable, it has a lot of funcionality, but I realy need to have temperature capabilities (not needed to be very accurate).
TASI-8620 for $12 will keep your multimeter available for measuring something else at the same time.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Kuro on October 08, 2016, 08:59:53 am
At Brymen brand at line BM867 in collumn "T" there is a "v" sign. What does this "v" means? It has temperature measurement capability?

Iam before of buying one like this meter, the price is affordable, it has a lot of funcionality, but I realy need to have temperature capabilities (not needed to be very accurate).

No, the BM867 does not support temp reading. Best is not to trust the xls too much, verify the specs on Brymen's documentation. I found the xls confusing in quite a few spots, so I only used it to get a rought comparison between brands and models, and then get the official specs from manufacturer's documentation.

If you need temp, get the 829s (cheaper, bit less accuracy, less resolution, but added LoZ and non contact EF) or the 869s (more expensive, slightly more accurate, added VFD as well).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on October 08, 2016, 10:02:37 am
At Brymen brand at line BM867 in collumn "T" there is a "v" sign. What does this "v" means? It has temperature measurement capability?

Iam before of buying one like this meter, the price is affordable, it has a lot of funcionality, but I realy need to have temperature capabilities (not needed to be very accurate).

No, the BM867 does not support temp reading. Best is not to trust the xls too much, verify the specs on Brymen's documentation. I found the xls confusing in quite a few spots, so I only used it to get a rought comparison between brands and models, and then get the official specs from manufacturer's documentation.

If you need temp, get the 829s (cheaper, bit less accuracy, less resolution, but added LoZ and non contact EF) or the 869s (more expensive, slightly more accurate, added VFD as well).
Correct, no temp reading on the BM867. There are likely to be some omissions and mistakes on the spreadsheet, due to the immense amount of information and sometimes erroneous or misleading specs released by the manufacturers. I rely on owners to flag those mistakes and the list should get more accurate with time. It is of course best to double check features on the manufacturer's web site, but that's not foolproof either, as I have discovered in a few instances.
If you find the list confusing, let me know how it could be improved and I will try to implement changes whenever possible.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Lomax on October 26, 2016, 12:14:42 am
Dunno if you're interested, but here are the values for the new-ish Testo 760-2 & 760-3 (760-1 lacks RMS). There are a few points where I had to put a "?", notably the AC+ column - these meters do autodetect AC/DC voltages (zero crossing detection), but I'm not sure if that's what this column is for? I also haven't been able to find a battery life estimate, and could not figure out what the columns "P/F" and "4-20" stand for. I don't think 4-20 has anything to do with 420... :D

Code: [Select]
760-2,6000,?,1k,x,100uV,08/-/3,100nA,10,1k,10,60M,v,1,30,2.5,30M,v,x,v,x,<,x,x,2,60s,v,A,x,x,x,x,v,x,3AAA,?,x,x,T,600,IV,?,?,x,v,£140,2
760-3,6000,?,1k,x,100uV,08/-/3,100nA,10,1k,10,60M,v,1,60,2.5,60M,v,x,v,x,<,x,x,2,60s,v,A,x,x,x,x,v,x,3AAA,?,x,x,T,1000,IV,?,?,x,v,£200,2

Edit: These meters have quite a few unusual features (which is why I'm interested in them), but the spreadsheet lacks a free-text column for listing these. Not only have Testo opted to eschew the traditional rotating knob measurement selector in favour of a (backlit) button interface, but they are IP64 rated (with the manufacturer supplied leads). They will also auto select measuring mode based on where the leads are inserted and have the somewhat unusual (for the price range) ability to measure duty cycle (1-99% <=1kHz). More details are available in the user manual (https://media.testo.com/media/88/b0/700c71cb2d82/testo-760-Instruction-manual.pdf).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on October 29, 2016, 08:27:00 am
Thanks for the heads-up. I had never heard of Testo before. Will add them to the list at the next revision.
If you wonder what the column headings mean, hovering your mouser pointer over the very first instance (Gossen), should bring up explanatory text.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Matthematik on November 19, 2016, 04:15:41 pm
I've been trying to figure out what the BW column represents but haven't had any success. Can someone help me out?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: hammy on November 19, 2016, 08:30:39 pm
AC Voltage max bandwith.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on December 09, 2016, 05:19:46 pm
I can't seem to find Mastech ms8228/ms8229? could someone with the knowlage add this as well to the cheet?
As mentioned in the first post, the spreadsheet contains DMMs with 6000 counts or higher.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: 12321dk on January 02, 2017, 05:40:59 pm
I didnt want to make a new post for this, but I really need help here - is this a good multimeter to buy for 70€? Its used, almost new.

NEUMANN ST-9118T
http://www.neumann-messgeraete.at/ecommerce/product?category_id=344740&product_id=343956 (http://www.neumann-messgeraete.at/ecommerce/product?category_id=344740&product_id=343956)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on January 11, 2017, 06:27:40 pm
I didnt want to make a new post for this, but I really need help here - is this a good multimeter to buy for 70€? Its used, almost new.

NEUMANN ST-9118T
http://www.neumann-messgeraete.at/ecommerce/product?category_id=344740&product_id=343956 (http://www.neumann-messgeraete.at/ecommerce/product?category_id=344740&product_id=343956)

That is just a rebadged CEM meter, model DT-9918. Not really all that impressive.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: bozidarms on January 23, 2017, 07:42:54 pm
Don't forget world's best ;) - METRIX  MTX3293-BT
 
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mqsaharan on January 30, 2017, 06:18:41 pm
@Wytnucls
I was searching for a new multimeter when I came across your post. And I want to say Thank You very much for taking the time and effort to make such a detailed spreadsheet. Truly helps in selecting a multimeter.
And I totally agree with you that 287/289 are the best in the whole list.

My request is to include the shunt resistance values for current measurement functions. It may or may not be very useful.

Also, I have found two mistakes in the file.
1. The Uni Trend UT171X series has the 100 KHz bandwidth for AC current functions according to their User's Guide.
2. The Keysight U1282A does not have LoZ feature according to its User's Guide.

I apologize in advance if I made mistake in understanding any of the presented information.
Also, ignore this post if it has already mentioned or you have already corrected it in the new revision.

Qasim.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mqsaharan on January 30, 2017, 07:08:12 pm
@Wytnucls
I could not find LoZ feature in MetraHit Energy; And both E-Tech and Tech have LoZ feature; according to their manuals.
I did not check the rest.

Again, please reconfirm before making corrections in your file. I may be missing something.

Qasim.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on January 31, 2017, 02:38:39 pm
Thanks for you input, but my master copy was corrected a while ago already, to be published at a later stage.
I only quote AC bandwidth when the accuracy band is 3% or less. I will make that clearer in the next edition.
The UT-171 series qualifies only on the 4/6 mA range. All other ranges are high, up to 9%+40 accuracy.

Shunt value can be derived from the burden voltage which is quoted for a few high-end meters.

I'm glad the file might help you finding your ideal meter.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mqsaharan on February 01, 2017, 01:55:57 am
I only quote AC bandwidth when the accuracy band is 3% or less. I will make that clearer in the next edition.

I did not know that. That is a nice criteria, automatically sorts out the usefulness of the current function.

Shunt value can be derived from the burden voltage which is quoted for a few high-end meters.

Seems like I missed that too.

Hope to see updated file soon.

Qasim.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: totalnoob on February 01, 2017, 04:24:39 pm
Wyt,

I have nothing of value to add, but I just wanted to say thank you for maintaining such a fairly exhaustive list of meters.  I am sure it seems like a thankless job, but it really is a great resource to help in selecting a meter with the features wanted/needed.   :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 01, 2017, 04:55:46 pm
It is rather tiresome. Especially that my last file got corrupted when I changed editor.
Anyway, here is the latest file (Excel) with most problems corrected and a few additional meters.
Please open with MS Excel or the free MS Excel Viewer, to avoid any cell color problems.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10)

Remember that the database is not immune from errors, so double check figures and features with the manufacturer's documents before your final buying decision.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: MrCreosote on February 26, 2017, 04:20:00 am
I was wondering if there are columns for the following:

Temperature (NOTE:  Stuff like supported range and/or thermocouple type)
Data Logging:  Stored Onboard OR Streamed to PC/Android
Interface:  USB OR WiFi OR BlueTooth

Also, what is "T+"?

Thanks
Tom
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 26, 2017, 07:52:34 am
I was wondering if there are columns for the following:

Temperature (NOTE:  Stuff like supported range and/or thermocouple type)
Data Logging:  Stored Onboard OR Streamed to PC/Android
Interface:  USB OR WiFi OR BlueTooth
Also, what is "T+"?
Thanks
Tom
Yes to all queries.
There is no T+. Use MS Excel to open the file.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Kuro on February 27, 2017, 06:05:17 pm
Thanks for the hard work! Since the 121GW isn't available yet, how certain are the specs you listed?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2017, 06:39:05 pm
Everything is still in flux, but main specs should be close.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: MrCreosote on March 03, 2017, 04:42:02 am
Finally got to a computer that had Excel on it. 

Having all this information in a Table is VERY AWESOME since there are so many features to select from.

Would like to see Owon but I would not be surprised that they would be in the class of not meeting safety specs.  (Maybe that could be a column so every model could be in a single Table?  Would be interesting to do X-Y plots on Price -v- Safety Fails.

Some observations:

1) Sorting the Excel spreadsheet was the objective.  But when sorting by features, not having a Manufacturer column made it difficult to determine at times.

2) What does Display "M" and "MT" mean?  Only 3 CEM DMM's had the MT.  Also Fluke 187/9 & 287/9 all had M listed - I don't think the 187/9 are graphical displays while the 287/9 are.  If the T in MT meant Trend, then what does the M mean?  Multi?

3) Does the "v" represent Check Marks?

4) Legend Comments sometimes do not explain the possible symbols used.  AND I found I had to edit the Comment box size to be able to see everything written - no biggie but wondering if Excel went haywire since it would wrap word characters.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 03, 2017, 01:44:48 pm
The Owon B35T is in the list.
M means multiple readings, usually with a graphical display.
T is a trend capture, as mentioned in cell notes.
Fluke 187 II and 189 II have graphical displays.

Some comment boxes may still be of the wrong size, but they are very few of them left now and most get corrected with each new revision.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: MrCreosote on March 03, 2017, 04:36:55 pm
RE:  Fluke 189II has Trend Capture http://www.testmart.com/webdata/mfr_pdfs/FLU/189IIdatasheet.pdf (http://www.testmart.com/webdata/mfr_pdfs/FLU/189IIdatasheet.pdf) - should it be a MT?
RE:  Fluke 187II:  can't find any reference to it.

I think I don't actually know what a Graphical -v- Trending display are.  I've always thought they could both graph data - "graph paper" or graph your data.  But I'm thinking the Graphical specifically means all sorts of different alpha-numeric layouts and sizes, but NO charting or plotting - which means NO Trend?

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 03, 2017, 05:28:24 pm
I always assumed there must have been a Fluke 187 II, but there is no evidence for it. So, it is now removed from the list.
Of course, 289/287 and 189 II all have trend capture.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: MrCreosote on March 07, 2017, 01:05:41 am
Suggest OWON B35T+ and B41T+ which are crazy cheap onboard data loggers w/BlueTooth that seems to work.

Any chance of adding a "Make" or "Manufacturer" column to facilitate spreadsheet sorts?   (If these tables were not being continuously updated, I'd do it myself.  But I guess I'm too lazy to do it every time you update.  My bad.)

I threw together a crude Excel formula to populate a Make column inserted at the beginning:  formula for row2, column1:

=IF(B2="","",IF(A1="",B2,A1))
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 08, 2017, 10:13:02 am
Owon B35 is in already.

Here is the same file, modified for easy filtering:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: MrCreosote on March 09, 2017, 04:41:10 am
Thanks for the sortable version.

FYI,

The OWON B35T and B35T+ are substantially different. 

The "+" indicates onboard data logging - other wise a PC or BlueTooth device is needed to log.

The "T" means True RMS.

The 35 is a 3.5 digit display and the B41T+ is a 4 digit.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jorgcr on March 23, 2017, 02:43:34 am
Hi, I'm new here. I've seen Dave's videos on yt. I'm en electronic engineering student, and I need a digital multimeter, I've tried to look for several options but I don't know which to buy, my budget is around $200 and I was even saving for a Agilent (keysight) U1273A, a friends has one and it looks and works really well but the price is on >$400 and I need the multimeter more than I'm quick enough to save money, you know how it is beng student.

I've heard Ketsight and Fluke are the top of the line on dmm, a professor even told me he have had a Fluke for more than 20 years before he lost it but with a high reputations comes a high price. As I was saying I study electronic engineering, I also work with arduino and (I would like to) raspberry pi.

I guess besides the basic functions like measuring voltage, current, resistance, continuity, I would like to measure capacitace, and some sort of other values, again, I'm not very 'into' multimeter's world so I don't know what I would need in the future. With that budget what can you guys (and girls out there) recommend me?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 23, 2017, 03:23:36 pm
At about 200$, the UNI-T UT171B is full featured and pretty good value for the price, if you can't find a decent second hand Fluke 87V in the US for that price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNI-T-UT171B-Industrial-True-RMS-Digital-Multimeters-EBTN-Display-UT-171B-/332001203179?hash=item4d4cd053eb:g:qfQAAOSwPCVYAZAJ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNI-T-UT171B-Industrial-True-RMS-Digital-Multimeters-EBTN-Display-UT-171B-/332001203179?hash=item4d4cd053eb:g:qfQAAOSwPCVYAZAJ)

Sorry, just found out that this seller doesn't ship to Central America!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Ek8yzgI6s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Ek8yzgI6s)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: jorgcr on March 25, 2017, 10:23:15 pm
Don't worry, if it is available on the USA I could sent the order to Florida and my foward dealer can ship it to my country.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: electricMN on March 30, 2017, 05:27:45 pm
Thanks for all the work you do to maintain the spreadsheet. It was invaluable for me in making my decision to get a Brymen BM869S DMM.  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on March 30, 2017, 08:27:12 pm
Glad you found it useful. Enjoy your new toy.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: evava on April 17, 2017, 11:58:36 am
UNI-T UT 181a:
has actual resolution 1uV (AC and DC), not 10uV as in spreadsheet.

Thank you for your work!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on April 17, 2017, 02:59:22 pm
Yes, it has a 60mV range. Thanks for the correction.  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 08, 2017, 11:58:18 pm
The last file was downloaded a thousand times.
That's as good a benchmark as any to release the latest one, or rather latest ones, as I had to split the file to circumvent the 1000KB limit for attachments.

As always, some new meters and some corrections.

The bench meter file has a new column to cater for DC current accuracy.
Often, meters with high DC volt accuracy, disappoint when switched to their DC current range.
The published accuracy figures are entered in the column, with a cell color coding based on their low current nA accuracy.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on May 09, 2017, 03:42:46 pm
Wytnucls, I am one of the spreadsheet fans and it is a welcome news to split it between the Bench/HH.

I believe in contributing to lighten the load, therefore I am working to add the specs for the Racal dana 5001 (and maybe 5002) and will send you details later today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 09, 2017, 05:20:28 pm
Thanks. Any contribution is welcomed. Especially for older equipment, as the relevant manual or datasheet is often difficult to locate.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: nugglix on May 09, 2017, 07:19:02 pm
Any hints on why the new sheets are locked?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 09, 2017, 07:59:04 pm
Mostly for legal reasons.
For the user, it shouldn't matter, as all the information is still there.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: nugglix on May 09, 2017, 08:56:09 pm
Legal reasons?
An explanation would have been nice.

And btw, one can't even mark rows or columns anymore.
Given the dimensions of the tables this make the use much harder.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 09, 2017, 09:52:29 pm
Download the files again and you will be able to select cells, rows and columns.
Change of plan: Cells, rows and columns are locked again. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: lypse on May 27, 2017, 09:53:46 am
Wytnucls, would it be a lot of work to replace/add the fuse section with information if the meter has independent tests to verify the CAT rating?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on May 27, 2017, 10:00:40 am
There is a column (UL) already for UL, GS, CSA listings (3rd from last).
I will move it closer to the CAT rating for better readability.
The claimed CAT rating is greyed out for meters with no independent listing.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: lypse on May 27, 2017, 02:31:25 pm
There is a column (UL) already for UL, GS, CSA listings (3rd from last).
I will move it closer to the CAT rating for better readability.
The claimed CAT rating is greyed out for meters with no independent listing.
Ah I missed that. thanks :)  :-+

I will post pictures of the UT195DS if I receive it before Tuesday :)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: justyn on June 08, 2017, 05:01:06 pm
I'm in the market for a DMM and these spreadsheets are incredibly useful, thank you.

I think there may be a slight mistake in the U1241C/U1242C specs - the uA is listed as "10nA" but in the datasheet the resolution is listed as 0.1µA, unless I am reading something incorrectly, which is possible.

EDIT

It looks like the specs changed between some datasheet revisions.

The above figure is 0.01µA in a datasheet that states that it was "Published in USA, October 20, 2015" whereas in the datasheet currently on keysight.com, which states that it was "Published in USA, February 17, 2017" the figure is 0.1µA.

Presumably the latest, reduced resolution figure is the correct one.

EDIT2 meant resolution, not accuracy
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on June 09, 2017, 08:37:12 pm
Thanks. The correction will appear in the next edition.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: dtmr_e on June 13, 2017, 08:31:09 am
> Change of plan: Cells, rows and columns are locked again. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Locking tables is utterly pointless. They can be unlocked with a text editor: Load spreadsheet into OpenOffice, save with ods extension, replace extension with zip, unpack zip, load content.xml into text editor, locate protection="true" (there might by more than one), replace with protection="false". Great protection, isn't it? Then save content.xml, repack as zip, restore .ods extension.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on June 13, 2017, 10:33:39 am
You registered to post a crack for a Microsoft product protection. Way to go.
If you had any respect for my work, which is available for free, you would have had the decency to warn me through a private mail.
Any protection can be defeated eventually, if someone puts enough effort into it. So be it.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: cjs on July 01, 2017, 12:50:03 am
Actually, to be honest I hadn't even noticed the protection at all because I just uploaded the spreadsheet to Google Drive and opened it with Google Sheets which lets me edit it freely.

I don't know for sure why you want it protected, but my guess is that you're worried about modified copies with the same filename floating around? (Clearly that could be a bad thing for everyone.) To defend against that you might consider distributing your master reference document as a Google sheet that's world readable. Anybody looking at it via the URL knows that they're looking at the original copy, and and anybody who wants an offline or editable copy for whatever reason can download a copy in Excel or CSV format.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: gwideman on August 21, 2017, 08:22:01 am
First, huge thanks to Wytnucls for the prodigious amount of work on this spreadsheet. That represents a very high commitment to helping out the community.

That said, I'm afraid I'm among those who were unable to use the spreadsheet in the current form, owing to my eyes being unable to follow a particular line of data across a row, unless I can select the row in Excel so that Excel gives it an outline. Or other tricks like copying selected data to another sheet.  Also freezing the top rows of titles, hide columns I don't care about and so forth.

All this is prevented by the locking.  I can confirm that the workaround from dtmr_e works in Libre Office (though the relevant xml attribute is "protected" not "protection".)  With that fixed, I'm finding the spreadsheet is very useful. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on August 23, 2017, 03:31:26 pm
...and this is how you respectfully make your point and voice your concerns to the content producer.  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: JustSquareEnough on September 19, 2017, 09:38:29 pm
may I suggest we consider adding the extech ex355.  it looks to be a newish release to the ex330 that won Daves $50 shootout however is 6000 count.

I have not used the meter yet and am having a hard time finding anyone that has reviewed it yet. but i was checking to see what the latest offerings were in the 6000 count category and saw it list on extech's site.  Street price looks to be about $90 in the US.

http://www.extech.com/EX355/ (http://www.extech.com/EX355/)

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on January 21, 2018, 02:04:30 am
A slightly unusual one - I'd not heard of this company but got an email out of the blue and they are sending me one next week - will do a video review in the next couple of weeks.

https://www.pce-instruments.com/english/measuring-instruments/test-meters/digital-multimeter-pce-instruments-true-rms-digital-multimeter-pce-hdm-10-det_5844159.htm?_list=qr.art&_listpos=7 (https://www.pce-instruments.com/english/measuring-instruments/test-meters/digital-multimeter-pce-instruments-true-rms-digital-multimeter-pce-hdm-10-det_5844159.htm?_list=qr.art&_listpos=7)

Unusual as it has Bluetooth and colour LCD and rechargeable battery, charged via the terminals.
Most of their other DMMs are badged from Uni-T and others.  Although it looks fairly "industrial" it does have uA range
Though not mentioned on the PCE page I think it has datalogging and graphing display judging by this German video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzclKF08BQw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzclKF08BQw)

I have seen some similar-looking ones with other names on,
https://mymeter.com.au/product/ht-italia-ht64-graphics-digital-multimeter-with-colour-lcd-display/ (https://mymeter.com.au/product/ht-italia-ht64-graphics-digital-multimeter-with-colour-lcd-display/)

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/cem-instruments/product-detailrKimEXLAOkWh/China-Heavy-Duty-True-RMS-Industrial-Multimeter-with-TFT-Color-LCD-Display-DT-989-.html (http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/cem-instruments/product-detailrKimEXLAOkWh/China-Heavy-Duty-True-RMS-Industrial-Multimeter-with-TFT-Color-LCD-Display-DT-989-.html)
https://www.reichelt.com/gb/en/?LANGUAGE=EN&CTYPE=0&MWSTFREE=0&CCOUNTRY=447&ARTICLE=151733&PROVID=2788&wt_guka=22596852977_79177432577&PROVID=2788&gclid=CjwKCAiA7ovTBRAQEiwAo8dPcRkrW15zftFEQiY7pDPkZRs9cpVjhdY3jhlKLK_4T5flAoEP6XZqfxoCrTMQAvD_BwE (https://www.reichelt.com/gb/en/?LANGUAGE=EN&CTYPE=0&MWSTFREE=0&CCOUNTRY=447&ARTICLE=151733&PROVID=2788&wt_guka=22596852977_79177432577&PROVID=2788&gclid=CjwKCAiA7ovTBRAQEiwAo8dPcRkrW15zftFEQiY7pDPkZRs9cpVjhdY3jhlKLK_4T5flAoEP6XZqfxoCrTMQAvD_BwE)

As well as some with more features but very similar specs, which look like they're from the  same manufacturer
http://www.reedinstruments.com/product/reed-r5005-trms-industrial-multimeter (http://www.reedinstruments.com/product/reed-r5005-trms-industrial-multimeter)
http://www.aktakom.com/products/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=24142 (http://www.aktakom.com/products/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=24142)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/digital-multimeter-oscilloscope-LCD-Color-screen-usb-DT-9989-Professional-current-voltage-test-electrician-tools/1972181740.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/digital-multimeter-oscilloscope-LCD-Color-screen-usb-DT-9989-Professional-current-voltage-test-electrician-tools/1972181740.html)

Judging from the part numbers of some of these I suspect it's made by Digitek.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muttley Snickers on January 21, 2018, 02:25:22 am
It's just another rebranded CEM meter, probably a DT-9989 by the look of it.   ::)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on January 21, 2018, 09:26:56 am
It's just another rebranded CEM meter, probably a DT-9989 by the look of it.   ::)
Looks like DT-989 - for some reason my searches didn't find it :
http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/Product/detail/id/891 (http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/Product/detail/id/891)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: EEVblog on January 31, 2018, 11:51:10 am
A slightly unusual one - I'd not heard of this company but got an email out of the blue and they are sending me one next week - will do a video review in the next couple of weeks.

I got that same email but turned them down. It's just a re-badged CEM DT-989
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: aabbcc on February 07, 2018, 02:54:17 pm
So the spreadsheet is a bit...overwhelming (in a good way!).

Could someone recommend me the an accurate DMM for max 150eur (less would be nice) and available in Europe.

I don't need temp measurments and will mostly be working with analogue audio circuits (synths).

The only real requirement I have is that the DMM can measure and display in a resolution of 4.5 digits since I will be using it alot to match transistors according to Ian Fritz method.

http://www.dragonflyalley.com/synth/images/TransistorMatching/ianFritz-transmat0011_144.pdf (http://www.dragonflyalley.com/synth/images/TransistorMatching/ianFritz-transmat0011_144.pdf)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on February 07, 2018, 08:21:13 pm
If you are looking for quality at your price point and features, I would choose either a BM857S-WB (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm857s-wb/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/) or, for a slightly higher price but much better value, a BM867S (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm867/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm867s/), which has the benefit of being specified up to 100kHz. The BM827S (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm827/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm827s/) has a bit less counts but it is still a good value.

In the middle of the pack you have the UT61E, which has users that love and others that hate it.
https://www.batronix.com/shop/multimeter/multimeter-ut61e.html (https://www.batronix.com/shop/multimeter/multimeter-ut61e.html)

You can try your luck with one of the cheapies from Banggood:
The Aneng, which cost a fraction of your budget but don't have published bandwidth specs and is only 10k counts
 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1007-is-a- (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1007-is-a-)$25-multimeter-any-good/msg1333864/#msg1333864

The Bside ZT302, with the same specs as above:
https://www.banggood.com/BSIDE-ZT302-Digital-Multimeter-True-RMS-9999-Counts-LED-Backlight-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistance-p-1245349.html (https://www.banggood.com/BSIDE-ZT302-Digital-Multimeter-True-RMS-9999-Counts-LED-Backlight-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistance-p-1245349.html)

Or the "generic branded" HY-19E with 20000 counts:
https://www.banggood.com/HY-19E-20000-Counts-NCV-Multimeter-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistances-Capacitors-Diodes-Temp-Tester-p-1153062.html (https://www.banggood.com/HY-19E-20000-Counts-NCV-Multimeter-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistances-Capacitors-Diodes-Temp-Tester-p-1153062.html)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: aabbcc on February 07, 2018, 10:29:02 pm
If you are looking for quality at your price point and features, I would choose either a BM857S-WB (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm857s-wb/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/) or, for a slightly higher price but much better value, a BM867S (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm867/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm867s/), which has the benefit of being specified up to 100kHz. The BM827S (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm827/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm827s/) has a bit less counts but it is still a good value.

In the middle of the pack you have the UT61E, which has users that love and others that hate it.
https://www.batronix.com/shop/multimeter/multimeter-ut61e.html (https://www.batronix.com/shop/multimeter/multimeter-ut61e.html)

You can try your luck with one of the cheapies from Banggood:
The Aneng, which cost a fraction of your budget but don't have published bandwidth specs and is only 10k counts
 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1007-is-a- (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1007-is-a-)$25-multimeter-any-good/msg1333864/#msg1333864

The Bside ZT302, with the same specs as above:
https://www.banggood.com/BSIDE-ZT302-Digital-Multimeter-True-RMS-9999-Counts-LED-Backlight-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistance-p-1245349.html (https://www.banggood.com/BSIDE-ZT302-Digital-Multimeter-True-RMS-9999-Counts-LED-Backlight-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistance-p-1245349.html)

Or the "generic branded" HY-19E with 20000 counts:
https://www.banggood.com/HY-19E-20000-Counts-NCV-Multimeter-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistances-Capacitors-Diodes-Temp-Tester-p-1153062.html (https://www.banggood.com/HY-19E-20000-Counts-NCV-Multimeter-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Resistances-Capacitors-Diodes-Temp-Tester-p-1153062.html)

Thanks! The Brymens ones look nice but just a tad too expensive, might be worth it though. (Don't trust the chinese versions and cant be bothered to wait for the long shipping time).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on February 08, 2018, 12:03:42 am
The Brymens are quite good and have excellent support from the manufacturer. I don't think you can go wrong with them.

The UT61E has a bandwidth of only 10kHz - somewhat limiting for audio.
http://www.uni-trend.com/productsdetail_1971_1105_1105.html (http://www.uni-trend.com/productsdetail_1971_1105_1105.html)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: nugglix on February 08, 2018, 08:11:34 am
The Brymens are quite good and have excellent support from the manufacturer. I don't think you can go wrong with them.

The UT61E has a bandwidth of only 10kHz - somewhat limiting for audio.
http://www.uni-trend.com/productsdetail_1971_1105_1105.html (http://www.uni-trend.com/productsdetail_1971_1105_1105.html)

Yes, the Brymens are good.
Have the "little" BM869s and I'm very happy with it.

Given the mention of Uni-Trend, the OP might look at the UT71 series.
Specs are quite good, and it is reliable. Got the UT71C years ago.
There are 5 or 6 models in the 71 series, starting at ~125€ afaik.

But beware: Uni-Trend <- never ever touch mains with them!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Candid on February 08, 2018, 11:54:20 am
UNI-T is not easy to give reliable infos for one model. I own an UT71E that I bought at Reichelt Elektronik in germany. It is one of the more seldom UT71 series models that has fine HRC fuses. But the voltage input resistors are low power and the MOVs I had to install myself (pcb was prepared for them). I found several photos from UT71 series with small glas fuses and no MOV ready pcb. So you never know what you get when you buy a UT71 series model.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: nugglix on February 08, 2018, 12:34:24 pm
For electronic work w/ lower voltages they are okay.
As said above, wouldn't let them near the mains.

Given that a certain resolution was requested and no need for higher voltages was given,
I think the UT meters are worth to be considered.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: aabbcc on February 08, 2018, 02:33:04 pm
Yea I will only be using it for audio circuits, have a hard time seeing that the voltage will ever be more than 24.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on February 08, 2018, 05:32:08 pm
Just don't forget if you try to probe the output of a 5000W concert amp!  :-DD
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: aabbcc on February 09, 2018, 12:59:39 am
Just don't forget if you try to probe the output of a 5000W concert amp!  :-DD

Ok I should have added synths as my previous post when referring to audio circuits  :-/O
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: merk on March 01, 2018, 12:17:49 am
Hello all,

I am in need of multimeter advice. The spreadsheet is awesome and I certainly can appreciate the time involved to compile that, but I am a bit lost by it all. I don't have a strong electrical background and I have always just used whatever cheap meter I had sitting around.

I am building synthesizer modules, many of which are analog. Some of these are kits and then I am also learning how to construct them from scratch.

My need for a new meter comes from a module that I am about to build. It requires a calibration process in which it is recommended to use a meter that is at least 40000 counts and has an accuracy of 4-3/4 digits. I must confess that I don't totally understand either of those two things and while I do see the counts on the spreadsheet, I don't understand the accuracy.

Anyway, if anybody can just make a recommendation or two, it would be most helpful to me. I don't need the best thing out there and really don't want to spend more than I have to on it. I suppose that if there is an option with an oscilloscope that is worth looking at, I would consider that too.

Thanks for any help!

PS - My apologies if this has been asked in some capacity. I don't have the time to pour through pages of questions and answers. I hope you understand...
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on March 01, 2018, 03:02:17 am
My $0.02. With your requirements and if you don't need mobility, it seems that a bench multimeter would be a great choice. The cheapest options would be either a new VC8145 (an experienced user here has two and swears by them) or a used A-brand multimeter such as HP3478A (I have two and are great) or even simpler but still accurate meters such as Keithley 191 or Racal Dana 5001 (I have both and I like them as well). At least in  the US, the VC8145 is around $180 and the others can be had for $100 or less.

If you need portability, a Brymen BM867 or BM869 are great choices for around $250 from European distributors (Brymen only has OEMs in the US such as Greenlee, which are more expensive).

If you prefer a new more featured bench meter, be prepared to spend around $400 for bench units from Rigol or Siglent. A used HP34401A can also be had for around this price and is well praised around here.

Always keep in mind that a used instrument has some risk attached to it, but the build quality and long term accuracy of the A-brand meters tend to tip the scale towards them.

This is not a comprehensive lost but it is a start. I am sure others have additional options.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: merk on March 01, 2018, 09:43:52 pm
The VC8145 seems a little sketchy to me. I have seen the brand name spelled Vichy, Vici, and even found other names like Gain Express and Flexzion. I'm sure it is one of those cheap things where a bunch of companies latch onto the design and sell it under different names. It just seems a little weird though...

I did find a Keithley 191 on eBay for $95 + another $31.80 to ship it. Says it is seller refurbished, but there are pictures showing the voltage and ohms readings next to other equipment that I presume to be in good shape.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. It definitely gives me some things to consider.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on March 01, 2018, 10:14:22 pm
merk, I think this price for a Keithley 191 is a bit steep - after all, it lacks current measurements and AC voltage is an option. Its price rivals the two other more featured ones I mentioned.

I also recall other models that are highly regarded but one of their Achilles' heel is the VFD display: Fluke 45 and Fluke 8840.

There is also the GW Instek GDM8255A that went for a song when the ITT went bankrupt last year (or perhaps 2016). Despite using a VFD, these are much newer meters which usually have displays still in great shape.

One additional model worth looking is the Keithley 197 - about the same size as the 191 but it has much more features.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: merk on March 03, 2018, 12:09:57 am
Thanks again for all of the useful suggestions, rsjsouza. One more question for you. Is eBay the best place to look for these used meters? If I decide to buy a new one, is Amazon the place to go for something like a new Rigol?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on March 03, 2018, 05:16:01 pm
Since you live in test gear heaven (US), there are many options for used units, being eBay the main one. I usually look also at craigslist, which sometimes can have cheaper prices and the advantage that you can look at the equipment before buying.

New purchases can be done using other distributors as well, and two that I had good experiences are Saelig and Tequipment - they both offer discounts for eeVblog members.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: aabbcc on March 09, 2018, 10:25:14 am
Hello all,

I am in need of multimeter advice. The spreadsheet is awesome and I certainly can appreciate the time involved to compile that, but I am a bit lost by it all. I don't have a strong electrical background and I have always just used whatever cheap meter I had sitting around.

I am building synthesizer modules, many of which are analog. Some of these are kits and then I am also learning how to construct them from scratch.

My need for a new meter comes from a module that I am about to build. It requires a calibration process in which it is recommended to use a meter that is at least 40000 counts and has an accuracy of 4-3/4 digits. I must confess that I don't totally understand either of those two things and while I do see the counts on the spreadsheet, I don't understand the accuracy.

Anyway, if anybody can just make a recommendation or two, it would be most helpful to me. I don't need the best thing out there and really don't want to spend more than I have to on it. I suppose that if there is an option with an oscilloscope that is worth looking at, I would consider that too.

Thanks for any help!

PS - My apologies if this has been asked in some capacity. I don't have the time to pour through pages of questions and answers. I hope you understand...

I pulled the trigger on a Brymen 267s for the exact same purposes (well desktop synths) based on rsjsouza's recommendation  :-DMM
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: iaso on March 19, 2018, 01:52:12 pm
In my country we have a saying "Not being able to see the forest because of all the trees".

I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Brymen.

Options are:

BM257S for €109
BM239R for €109
BM829 for €155 (but having to wait 2 weeks and I kind of need it now, but if it is a much better option I can wait)
BM857R for €155
BM867R for €159

I want a meter that I can use for hobby use. Testing diodes is an important factor for me. Looking at the excel the 857 seems to be the most capable, though the 867 beats it on bandwidth.

Of the above I am not sure if the 8-series are worth the €50 extra and since they are around the same price which one I should take.

I hope somebody is able to make me a bit more informed here.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on March 19, 2018, 03:20:41 pm
In my country we have a saying "Not being able to see the forest because of all the trees".

I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Brymen.

Options are:

BM257S for €109
BM239R for €109
BM829 for €155 (but having to wait 2 weeks and I kind of need it now, but if it is a much better option I can wait)
BM857R for €155
BM867R for €159

I want a meter that I can use for hobby use. Testing diodes is an important factor for me. Looking at the excel the 857 seems to be the most capable, though the 867 beats it on bandwidth.

Of the above I am not sure if the 8-series are worth the €50 extra and since they are around the same price which one I should take.

I hope somebody is able to make me a bit more informed here.
The BM257S is a good electronics meter, which includes a bargraph (good for sensing variable voltages in DC), peak measurements, frequency meter and datalogging, although the BM235 (Dave's meter sold at this website (http://www.eevblog.com/product/bm235-multimeter/)) has a 3V diode measurement voltage.

If you want to go to the top, the price difference between the BM857S and the BM867S is not significant - I would opt for the 867S.

However, if you are working only with electronics and has no meter already, you may consider getting a pair of UT-61E DMMs, which are useful to perform simultaneous voltage/current measurements. It also has about 2.4V of diode voltage measurements (not bad) and can still lit white and blue LEDs.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: iaso on March 21, 2018, 11:57:42 am
In my country we have a saying "Not being able to see the forest because of all the trees".

I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Brymen.

Options are:

BM257S for €109
BM239R for €109
BM829 for €155 (but having to wait 2 weeks and I kind of need it now, but if it is a much better option I can wait)
BM857R for €155
BM867R for €159

I want a meter that I can use for hobby use. Testing diodes is an important factor for me. Looking at the excel the 857 seems to be the most capable, though the 867 beats it on bandwidth.

Of the above I am not sure if the 8-series are worth the €50 extra and since they are around the same price which one I should take.

I hope somebody is able to make me a bit more informed here.
The BM257S is a good electronics meter, which includes a bargraph (good for sensing variable voltages in DC), peak measurements, frequency meter and datalogging, although the BM235 (Dave's meter sold at this website (http://www.eevblog.com/product/bm235-multimeter/)) has a 3V diode measurement voltage.

If you want to go to the top, the price difference between the BM857S and the BM867S is not significant - I would opt for the 867S.

However, if you are working only with electronics and has no meter already, you may consider getting a pair of UT-61E DMMs, which are useful to perform simultaneous voltage/current measurements. It also has about 2.4V of diode voltage measurements (not bad) and can still lit white and blue LEDs.

I ended up getting the 867S. I have some bad experience with Uni-T and didn't want to go that route.

Edit: It arrived yesterday. Very impressed with it so far.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: len_knee on March 26, 2018, 02:52:42 pm
Great work on  the spreadsheet, have an embarrassing question as to the note placed in the Hioki UL Section denotes (KC). Could someone elaborate, caught between Keysight 1272A and Hioki 4282. My work involves both bench and field in electronics and electrical but rarely do I anticipate the Cat 4 LEVEL, but I do work on installing residential elect. panels so protection is important. Thanks for any feedback, have mt reservations on Keysight given all the flaws/bugs after doing extensive reviewing across the net but perhaps they have finally got it right.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on March 26, 2018, 03:18:16 pm
Great work on  the spreadsheet, have an embarrassing question as to the note placed in the Hioki UL Section denotes (KC). Could someone elaborate, caught between Keysight 1272A and Hioki 4282. My work involves both bench and field in electronics and electrical but rarely do I anticipate the Cat 4 LEVEL, but I do work on installing residential elect. panels so protection is important. Thanks for any feedback, have mt reservations on Keysight given all the flaws/bugs after doing extensive reviewing across the net but perhaps they have finally got it right.
I don't have access to the spreadsheet at the moment, but "KC" usually indicates compliance with the Korean Certification Agency (check here (https://gma.ul.com/about/globalmarkets/korea/)).

I have a U1273A and really like it. Mine still has the HW bug but Keysight sent a replacement for free (in my case I could have opted for a repaired U1273A or a new U1282A - I got the latter). The U1272A/U1273A has two critical features the Hioki 4282 does not: Low impedance measurements (http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5990-6517EN.pdf) to track ghost voltages and Smart ohms (http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5990-7323EN.pdf) to measure the ground resistance of installed equipment.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: len_knee on March 27, 2018, 03:10:50 pm
Appreciate the reply and input, as I currently do not have access to the myriad of calibration/test equipment I use to have , I have to rely on advice from folks in the industry who have the experience and knowledge first hand in order to make a decision before investing a lot of money. Unfortunately I allowed an inexperienced family member borrow an older HP Multi-Meter which after 35years the specs never deviated came back toasted as well as some other test equipment.
Received a quote on the Key-1272A for 360.00, the Hioki DT4282 $469.00 does not offer much in terms of IP but reviews I have seen it lives up to the spec and quality, the Yokogawa TY720 for approx. $431.00 which UL approval is pending the accessories are outlandishly expensive.
Given that I believe the Key -1272a gives you a lot of bag for the buck even though the consensus is the test leads are much to be desired, have you had to change the leads supplied to your unit? If so do you recommend a specific brand? Thanks again for your feedback!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on March 27, 2018, 03:52:08 pm
Appreciate the reply and input, as I currently do not have access to the myriad of calibration/test equipment I use to have , I have to rely on advice from folks in the industry who have the experience and knowledge first hand in order to make a decision before investing a lot of money. Unfortunately I allowed an inexperienced family member borrow an older HP Multi-Meter which after 35years the specs never deviated came back toasted as well as some other test equipment.
Received a quote on the Key-1272A for 360.00, the Hioki DT4282 $469.00 does not offer much in terms of IP but reviews I have seen it lives up to the spec and quality, the Yokogawa TY720 for approx. $431.00 which UL approval is pending the accessories are outlandishly expensive.
Given that I believe the Key -1272a gives you a lot of bag for the buck even though the consensus is the test leads are much to be desired, have you had to change the leads supplied to your unit? If so do you recommend a specific brand? Thanks again for your feedback!
I haven't changed the leads on my U1273A, and I really like them. The cables are high quality silicone and the probes are a bit longer than the typical Fluke TL75, mostly because they have fully isolated banana jacks on both ends. Despite Dave disliked this on his review, I love it as I can easily attach several accessories such as alligator clips, clip probes and other accessories (U1162A (https://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1191774-pn-U1162A/alligator-clips?nid=-536902470.714196&cc=US&lc=eng), U1163A (https://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1191778-pn-U1163A/smt-grabbers?nid=-536902470.714197&cc=US&lc=eng), U1164A (https://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1191781-pn-U1164A/fine-tip-test-probes?nid=-536902470.714199&cc=US&lc=eng)). Also, when working on electrical systems the extra length helps keep my hand further away from the voltage source.

That said, many others swear by Probemaster (http://probemaster.com/) - I can't comment as I don't have them.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: mqsaharan on August 14, 2018, 09:30:47 pm
I was browsing the spreadsheet the other day and happen to found a little mistake, I think. That is with ACV BW of Fluke 27FM. It is 5kHz as per the only document that I could have found on internet and is attached herewith. I couldn't find official manual or specs from Fluke for this model.

Regards,
Qasim.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: dynastys on October 30, 2018, 08:52:12 pm
Hello,

which multimeter would you recommend me? My price range is 150€ ( or 200 for veeery good one, but i want rather stick up with 150€ range)

I have looked into Brymen-s multimeters, they looks really good, even internally.
Also i looked into UniT multimeters, but after few hours of searching i decided to stay away off them - they are manufactured very poorly internally.

Other brands i don't really know and there are not very much reviews for them.

The page where i want to order it is tme(dot)eu .

Iam intermediate "engineer" so i don't need lab precise equipment.
Primarily I need to measure Capacitors, Resistors , diodes. For Transistors i've got another multimeter so that's not a very big deal for me, but none of those expensive multimeters doesn't have this function. Also I don't really need to measure high AC/DC voltage. 100V AC/DC is my max in my applications.
 I am working with Hi-Fi equipment so this is important for me, also i want to have better multimeter than my old one.

I'm really desperate because there is lot's of them and no one can give me the "best" solution. I was searching forums for around a week and it is starting me driving nuts.  :palm:

Any help is appreciated!  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tautech on October 30, 2018, 09:28:12 pm
Hello,

which multimeter would you recommend me? My price range is 150€ ( or 200 for veeery good one, but i want rather stick up with 150€ range)

I have looked into Brymen-s multimeters, they looks really good, even internally.
Also i looked into UniT multimeters, but after few hours of searching i decided to stay away off them - they are manufactured very poorly internally.

Other brands i don't really know and there are not very much reviews for them.

The page where i want to order it is tme(dot)eu .

Iam intermediate "engineer" so i don't need lab precise equipment.
Primarily I need to measure Capacitors, Resistors , diodes. For Transistors i've got another multimeter so that's not a very big deal for me, but none of those expensive multimeters doesn't have this function. Also I don't really need to measure high AC/DC voltage. 100V AC/DC is my max in my applications.
 I am working with Hi-Fi equipment so this is important for me, also i want to have better multimeter than my old one.

I'm really desperate because there is lot's of them and no one can give me the "best" solution. I was searching forums for around a week and it is starting me driving nuts.  :palm:

Any help is appreciated!  :-+
Daves DMM from our moderator Simon:
https://simonselectronics.co.uk/product/97/
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on October 30, 2018, 09:30:22 pm
There is really not a "best" multimeter, but simply one that suits your interests the best.

You didn't mention the brand of your other meter, but if you are working with very high power amplifier systems, the need for a safe multimeter is important. The best model (IMO) that fits your budget is the BM867 (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm867/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm867s/) and is specified up to 20kHz (just enough for Audio). This meter also measures capacitance, diodes, etc.

However, if you repair Hi-Fi equipment and regularly needs to verify the health of capacitors, inductors, etc. you may be better served by a portable LCR meter such as the very high quality DER EE DE-5000 (https://www.deree.com.tw/de-5000-lcr-meter.html) (this has to be purchased via eBay, though).

This second alternative eats away a good part of your budget, but still leaving some room for the purchase of a safe BM235 (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm235/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/) (also Dave's version (https://www.eevblog.com/product/bm235-multimeter/), on sale at the moment) or, if you really want to stretch the budget, move to a more featured BM257.

 (https://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm257/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm257s/[/url)
Also i looked into UniT multimeters, but after few hours of searching i decided to stay away off them - they are manufactured very poorly internally.
Not everything from Uni-T is bad, really. For example, folks here like the UT-139C (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-trms-uni-t-ut139c-dmm-is-available-now/) which is a great meter to complement the LCR that I mentioned before. Also, the UT-210E (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/a-look-at-the-uni-t-ut210e/) is a well built choice if you need to measure very high currents using a clamp.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: dynastys on October 30, 2018, 10:01:55 pm

You didn't mention the brand of your other meter,

i have Metex 3850d, and some cheaper one that i don't remember name of. +  two old Analog ones  :) ;)

Currently my best favourite is Brymen 867s .
Also Brymen 869s is looking very good, but i don't think it's worth to paying +60€ over the 867s, or is it?
Or should I buy "cheaper" one , and LCR meter?  :o

I was told that i shouldn't buy a bench meter because all of them within 200€ range are garbage. << I was considering bench table because i don't need to move my multimeter, and i tought it would be better than handheld multimeter because vendors are not limited by size of PCB in handheld ones. ==> bench meter would be better than handheld in same price category.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on October 31, 2018, 02:03:00 am
The Metex is not a bad multimeter (especially because you don't work in high power systems), but certainly is not as nice as a BM867. The BM869 adds more accuracy (which you don't need), temperature (which is quite useful in my opinion) and 100kHz bandwidth (no compromises for measuring audio).

As I mentioned before, a LCR meter would be quite useful if you perform maintenance on equipment. If you only design and build, then it is not as important.

As for the bench meters, that is quite true if you are planning to buy them new. The only model that is on the cheaper side and is praised by a regular expert here is the VC8145. A very thorough review is shown here (http://budgetlightforum.com/node/59641) and it seems to have reasonable specifications for audio. If you are willing to buy used, a few years ago there was a flood of GW Instek GDM-8251A which brought its prices down and still can be had for the top of your budget.

All that said, you can't really go wrong with the BM867.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Fiveohfour on December 04, 2018, 06:17:21 am
This is awesome, does their happen to be a clamp meter resource like this?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: thermeldo on January 17, 2019, 09:41:03 pm
Hi,
great spreadsheet.

I would like to do some filtering based on features and price, but the spreadsheet is protected. Does anyone know how to ge tthe password to unprotect it?

Thanks

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Doogs on February 07, 2019, 11:50:08 pm
Hi All:

Not sure if this is relevant but I purchased a Chinese market Fluke 18B+ from an AliExpress seller a while back and it was out of spec on the DC range by 1.2% (see my Avi) not exactly what you would expect but "buyer beware". The 15B+ I purchased later actually exceeds the ratings on all ranges and is one of my go to meters now.

Thanks for the excellent thread :-+ wish I found this before I started buying DMM's! I'd have a few less crammed in the back of the cabinet/workshop/toolbox.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tautech on February 08, 2019, 12:28:55 am
Hi Wytnucls
Would you please consider adding the Siglent range of bench DMM's to your list in the first post.
https://www.siglentamerica.com/digital-multimeters/ (https://www.siglentamerica.com/digital-multimeters/)

TIA
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ignislion on February 26, 2019, 02:26:50 pm
I registered here just to say to You a big thanks!
So thank you, kind Sir, for your work!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Muessigb on February 26, 2019, 04:08:43 pm
The spreadsheet looks great :)
I have just noticed the Siglent DMMs are missing, someone might want to add these too.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: totalnoob on February 28, 2019, 02:33:37 am
The list hasn't been updated in nearly 2 years.  I wonder if Wytnucls is still around?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tautech on February 28, 2019, 03:03:56 am
The list hasn't been updated in nearly 2 years.  I wonder if Wytnucls is still around?
Yep he is, his profile page indicates he was last active 26 Feb.

There's a least a couple of update requests outstanding and Dave noted there were some bench units missing from the list too in a recent video.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Fiveohfour on March 13, 2019, 01:56:46 pm
:-DMM very good this here aneng q1
amazing! look
 video brazil https://youtu.be/HEefv5qoKZI
Not sure how or why your spam was left here but safe to say it won’t be for long

I wish a spreadsheet like this existed for clamp meters


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Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: cjs on April 21, 2019, 04:33:09 am
Not sure how or why your spam was left here but safe to say it won’t be for long...
Except that now it's here forever because you quoted it!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: SirAlucard on July 13, 2019, 06:23:04 am
Love the sheets, but is there a reason why it's protected? Even if OP is no longer keeping this up to date, at the very least hand it off to someone else that would.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: dijkmane on September 19, 2019, 05:37:40 am
i've managed to unlock the files and saved them in the new xlsx format.

so, please be free to update it with the newest additions and error corrections ( and please upload your new version aswell... )

Edit: attachments removed by gnif, please don't publish these again without the original author's permission.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 19, 2019, 03:07:11 pm
For info, these files were locked to protect my hard work and prevent multiple different versions.
Dijkmane does not have my authorization to tamper with anything linked with them.
Please respect your fellow members' contributions.
The files will be updated when I deem it necessary.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: dijkmane on September 19, 2019, 05:25:15 pm
well, sorry for that.

but i saw a lot of people asking for updates en giving relevant information and no response from the original author.
thats why i found it ok to let other people update the list.

off course its your hard work and you deserve the credits.!

we'll have to be patient for now
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 19, 2019, 06:30:31 pm
If anybody wants an unprotected version of the files for their personal use, become an EEVBlog supporter, and I'll forward the files upon request by email.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: ofalltrades on January 26, 2020, 04:36:43 pm
It looks like the ABCs if DMMs link is outdated. Looks like it was referring to this, so here is an updated link: https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/1260898_0000_ENG_P_W.PDF
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Mattheprofessional on February 05, 2020, 05:52:44 am
Really appreciate the effort that you have taken to write this kind of comparison.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 06, 2020, 06:36:06 pm
All links have been updated
Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: TnF on February 27, 2020, 12:46:11 am
Are the Eevblog meters missing from the list or i'm just blind?!?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on February 27, 2020, 08:28:31 am
Follow the links on page 1 for the full database:

Here are the links for the most recent files (09May17):
Handheld meters   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=315135 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=315135)
Bench meters   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=315136 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/?action=dlattach;attach=315136)


Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: stafil on April 19, 2020, 05:13:03 am
Shouldn't Fluke 87, 87III, 87V and 185 have the shade of their counts set to amber?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on April 19, 2020, 01:18:04 pm
No. Only to acknowledge that a HiRes mode is available.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: kawal on April 22, 2020, 01:42:41 pm
Update for spreadsheet
Keithley 196 which I recently acquired has ZBXO math functions .   The meter table shows it has nothing . This is a true sleeper meter in my opinion.  LED display is awesome.  Takes 2 hours to stabilize to full specs per manual. Current and ACV is 5.5 digits max (which is  not typical for 6.5 digit meters) but has excellent  low current ranges 300uA , 3mA,  30mA, 300mA, 3A!
Also has ohms compensation which is not common . Too bad it has no statistical functions as it would be perfect. Also can be  front panel calibrated and  saves to EEPROM . Each range can be re calibrated separately.   

The  HP  3457A has MAND  not MND .  Average (Actually called MEAN on the HP) displays  8 digits and exponent  not sure how many samples can be used but have used recently with 41.3k samples when i stopped the stats function.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on April 22, 2020, 07:41:16 pm
Thanks for the heads-up. Will update the sheet at the next revision.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: kawal on April 23, 2020, 03:04:41 pm
Awesome list that i reference a lot.  Thanks for maintaining it.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Chris Roubis on May 10, 2020, 04:44:11 am
Dam that's a comprehensive list of meters.
Very informative.  :clap:

Fluke 115  :-DMM  :-+
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: tnn85 on July 11, 2020, 10:20:34 am
Wow. This was exactly what i am looking for. Thank you for your great job.
Are there already plans when you will realease the next update? (e.g. product names of Gossen Metrawatt MMs habe changed).
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 12, 2020, 11:49:01 am
Update coming up shortly. Don't expect many changes. There have been very few new meters since the last upload.
Gossen meters new nomenclature will be updated and the amazing S IM Xtra will be included.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 22, 2020, 01:00:34 pm
Here are the latest multimeter spreadsheets:
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on July 22, 2020, 07:30:01 pm
Wytnucls, thank you for this excellent and long awaited update.

A few remarks:
The UT61E goes up to 220mF and 200M\$\Omega\$

Below follows one additional meter that is 6200 counts.

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Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on July 23, 2020, 08:16:05 am
Read the column notes at the top of the chart.
If the accuracy is 3% and above, or if there is no accuracy quoted in the manual, the range is disregarded in the database.
There is a note in the cell for the 61E mentioning the top range and its accuracy.

It seems that a new cheap and nasty meter comes out of China every week.
This T21-D from NJTY is no exception.
I will include it in the next update for the sake of completeness.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (60 brand names and over 300 meters listed)
Post by: Trader on September 01, 2020, 09:28:32 pm
About counts: I realized that the Fluke 289 is 55000 counts.  I know that is declared 50000 everywhere, but it's measuring 5.5000V.  Some explanation?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (60 brand names and over 300 meters listed)
Post by: HKJ on September 02, 2020, 10:31:27 am
About counts: I realized that the Fluke 289 is 55000 counts.  I know that is declared 50000 everywhere, but it's measuring 5.5000V.  Some explanation?

Some multimeters list a slightly lower count than they have, you can see the real counts here: https://lygte-info.dk/info/DMMReviews.html
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (60 brand names and over 300 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 22, 2020, 08:51:17 am
I have put together a PowerPoint presentation about the testing required for a multimeter to conform to the present regulations in the US and Europe.
It is based on multimeter regulations abstracts and Intertek testing documents.
Should you have relevant information that contradicts some aspects of the presentation, please post it here and modifications will be considered.

(Powerpoint slides have been saved as a PDF document because of upload restrictions)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (60 brand names and over 300 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on September 24, 2020, 08:51:26 pm
Wytnucls, u da man. Thanks!
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (60 brand names and over 300 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on September 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
Here is a PowerPoint presentation I put together about multimeter EMC testing, also saved as a PDF document.
It is based on published regulations and multimeter test reports.
Once again, should you have relevant information that you feel should be included in the document, please post it in this thread.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Tracer on October 22, 2020, 06:40:39 pm
...If you feel I have left out some worthwhile DMMs, squawk here and I will try to include them.
All meters listed have a count of 6,000 or higher, have auto-ranging and are true RMS.
All meters (except MetraHit M30) must be able to test diodes, resistance, capacitance, frequency and current.
You will find green highlights for above average features and amber highlights for poor or missing important features...
I just got a Sunshine DT-17N DMM which ticks all of the above.

Appears to combine all the features of both the Thsinde 18B and 19B+ in one model (temperature and NCV functions).

It also uncannily resembles the Thsinde meters in looks.

(https://i.imgur.com/28Hzl9r.png)

Manufactured by Guangzhou Sunshine Electronics Technology Co., Ltd. in the People's Republic of China (who BTW also happen to own the Quick rework/soldering station and Relife flux brands):
https://www.exinxun.com/multimeter/ss-dt17n.html (https://www.exinxun.com/multimeter/ss-dt17n.html)

A google search reveals that the DT-17N is quite popular in the value segments of the Asian and Latin American markets.

Unfortunately, the user manual is not available in PDF.

...Edited to add image of specifications printed on the bottom of the box:

(https://i.imgur.com/8Y0MoYI.png)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on October 22, 2020, 07:43:19 pm
Thanks. (It will be lumped with the Thsinde 19B+)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: videobruce on November 13, 2020, 01:07:50 am
To confirm; all of these are 'Autoranging'??

I was looking for non autoranging since I don't like the delay waiting for the meter to do what I already did. And yes, I know the single disadvantage, but in 30 years, I never wiped one out.. ;)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 13, 2020, 06:05:58 pm
Yes, as stated in the intro on post one, all meters are autoranging. Most, if not all, also have manual ranging, for some specific applications.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: AE7OO on November 27, 2020, 11:55:20 am
Hi,

I did not see my favorite meter(Because I got it super cheap last Christmas), the Holdpeak 6688G. 
https://holdpeak-store.com/hp-6688g-multimeter-1000v-20a-capacitance-ammeter/ (https://holdpeak-store.com/hp-6688g-multimeter-1000v-20a-capacitance-ammeter/)

While it has some problems(the continuity beeper is a nightmare), it's hard to approach 40000 counts for around $50.  And since I use it more or less as bench meter, the fact that it's a BRICK, is not down check for me.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on November 28, 2020, 05:20:59 am
Thanks. It will be included in the next revision. Remember that a high count meter without a decent voltage reference will drift eventually. Not impressed with the internal construction. Beware.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Trader on November 28, 2020, 06:27:46 pm
Thanks. It will be included in the next revision. Remember that a high count meter without a decent voltage reference will drift eventually. Not impressed with the internal construction. Beware.

I think that table should list only the "best" DMMs

What is best? several specs e.g.: very small long term drift.

Today there are a LOT of DMMs with +50K counts, but in 5 years, how many will keep the calibration?

* Voltcraft VC890 (60,000) # https://www.conrad.com/p/voltcraft-vc890-oled-handheld-multimeter-digital-oled-display-data-logger-cat-iii-1000-v-cat-iv-600-v-display-counts-124600 (https://www.conrad.com/p/voltcraft-vc890-oled-handheld-multimeter-digital-oled-display-data-logger-cat-iii-1000-v-cat-iv-600-v-display-counts-124600)

* Tenma 72-3540 (60,000) # https://uk.farnell.com/tenma/72-3540/dmm-handheld-true-rms-auto-manual/dp/2667186 (https://uk.farnell.com/tenma/72-3540/dmm-handheld-true-rms-auto-manual/dp/2667186)

* Prova 903 (60,000) # https://lygte-info.dk/review/DMMProva%20903%20UK.html (https://lygte-info.dk/review/DMMProva%20903%20UK.html)

* TPI 194 II (50,000) # https://www.testproductsintl.com/digital-multimeters-dmms/194-digital-multimeter/ (https://www.testproductsintl.com/digital-multimeters-dmms/194-digital-multimeter/)

* RS PRO HS608 (with oscilloscope) (50,000) # https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/digital-multimeters/1445337/ (https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/digital-multimeters/1445337/)

* CEM DT-9989 (with oscilloscope) (50,000) # http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/Product/detail/id/889 (http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/Product/detail/id/889)

* CEM DT-9987 (50,000) # http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/Product/detail/id/896 (http://www.cem-instruments.com/en/Product/detail/id/896)

* RuoShui 189A (55,000) # https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001483719011.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001483719011.html)
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: AE7OO on December 06, 2020, 07:49:07 am
Yes, I know that the Holdpeak HP-6688G has problems.  Poor QC is at the top of the list.  As far as the design goes, let's not go there.

As soon as I received it, I popped it open.  I just wish I would have taken photos. 
I found 2(TWO OF THEM!?!  :wtf:) tombstoned caps right off, which I fixed.

I picked it up CHEAP(about $16 Prime) from Amazon a couple of years ago.

A recent use I put it to recently was when I started gathering the materials to make one of Conrad's Kelvin-Varley Dividers.  Instead of building one of the bridge circuits to sort the various resistors I just used the meter after making a simple fixture to easily change the resistors out.  For things like this, it works just fine.

Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: LeonR on December 07, 2020, 03:55:14 pm
I've been wondering for some time now: Does any of the Chinese OEM use feedback given on electronics forums like this to improve/fix stuff in their meters?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: rsjsouza on December 07, 2020, 04:23:23 pm
I've been wondering for some time now: Does any of the Chinese OEM use feedback given on electronics forums like this to improve/fix stuff in their meters?
Probably yes, given that I have seen a lot of marketing sentences and design changes reflecting what is commonly said around here - things such as ceramic fuses, demonstration of protection in all ranges, etc. It is basically free consulting services for anyone in the business.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on December 11, 2020, 06:06:14 pm
Having spent a fair amount of time in China, I doubt very much manufacturers spend any time following discussions on electronics forums.
First of all, few people understand English and YouTube videos are not readily accessible.
With few exceptions, companies cater mostly for the local market and local regulations.
They may sometime be influenced by requests from large retailers from India, for instance.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: HKJ on December 11, 2020, 06:51:29 pm
Having spent a fair amount of time in China, I doubt very much manufacturers spend any time following discussions on electronics forums.

I do not know if they follow youtube, but I (my reviews and direct communication) have been the reason for some changes in battery chargers.
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: Wytnucls on December 11, 2020, 08:59:48 pm
Have you had similar experiences with multimeter manufacturers?
Where in China was the product from?
Title: Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (80 manufacturers and over 400 meters listed)
Post by: HKJ on December 11, 2020, 09:27:19 pm
Have you had similar experiences with multimeter manufacturers?
Where in China was the product from?

No, but then I have never received a multimeter for review, all my DMM reviews are done on meters I bought. With chargers some manufactures often send me one for review.
I do not remember the locations, but probably Shenzhen (I do not want to specify any brand names).