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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2017, 12:27:13 am »
I wonder if this DMM (121GW) is built on any aspects of this "TIDA-01012" reference design at all? (50000 counts, bluetooth, etc)

It's not.
Standard multimeter chipset + ST ARM processor.
 
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2017, 12:29:18 am »
I wonder if this DMM (121GW) is built on any aspects of this "TIDA-01012" reference design at all? (50000 counts, bluetooth, etc)

It's not.
Standard multimeter chipset + ST ARM processor.

Oh cool. Thanks.  :-+ I'm learning lot about DMM design from reading some of that TI documentation. This is a good one too: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidubm4a/tidubm4a.pdf
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #102 on: February 16, 2017, 06:28:16 am »
It seems like nearly every new EEVBLOG video these days, Dave is carefully/deliberately unveiling a new small aspect of the pending 121GW DMM.
Here are a couple of screenshots from the recent EEVBLOG #972:





From these pics we can glean: Input protection stuff; 4(?) x PTC's, 3 x MOV's, 2 x power resistors, 1 large 1000V HRC 10A fuse, and 1 small type DMM HRC fuse for the low current range. Also looks like dual solder points for each input jack. Does that mean some kind of insertion detection/alert?
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #103 on: February 16, 2017, 09:45:23 am »
I wonder if this DMM (121GW) is built on any aspects of this "TIDA-01012" reference design at all? (50000 counts, bluetooth, etc)

It's not.
Standard multimeter chipset + ST ARM processor.

Whats the processor? and will it be open to custom firmware?
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #104 on: February 16, 2017, 10:35:10 am »
Whats the processor? and will it be open to custom firmware?

STM32L152D
Schematic and protocols will be open, not sure about firmware.
Standard low cost ST ARM programmer header.
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #105 on: February 16, 2017, 12:20:12 pm »
Whats the processor? and will it be open to custom firmware?

STM32L152D
Schematic and protocols will be open, not sure about firmware.
Standard low cost ST ARM programmer header.

Awesome, will open up some possibilities for some since the chip is fully documented in the public domain and the schematic will help oodles too!
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #106 on: February 16, 2017, 12:42:03 pm »
Whats the processor? and will it be open to custom firmware?

STM32L152D
Schematic and protocols will be open, not sure about firmware.
Standard low cost ST ARM programmer header.

Awesome, will open up some possibilities for some since the chip is fully documented in the public domain and the schematic will help oodles too!

I also can't see why code snippets can't be released. e.g. LCD drivers, maybe chipset driver etc.
I'd like it to be completely open source, but it's hard to convince companies to do this.
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #107 on: February 16, 2017, 01:01:03 pm »
I also can't see why code snippets can't be released. e.g. LCD drivers, maybe chipset driver etc.
I'd like it to be completely open source, but it's hard to convince companies to do this.

I assume there will be some checking mechanism that flag or show if the dmm has been "rooted" ?

Otherwise it will be a support nightmare, cmiiw.

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #108 on: February 16, 2017, 09:34:22 pm »
From the pictures it almost looks as if there's an ESP8266 in there, but next to the STM32L152D does not make sense I guess  :)
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #109 on: February 16, 2017, 10:14:54 pm »
From the pictures it almost looks as if there's an ESP8266 in there, but next to the STM32L152D does not make sense I guess  :)

Bluetooth module
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #110 on: February 16, 2017, 11:11:36 pm »
From the pictures it almost looks as if there's an ESP8266 in there, but next to the STM32L152D does not make sense I guess  :)

Bluetooth module

Yes, that's right, it looks like it's on its own little soldered-on daughter board, as I've seen before with "jellybean" bluetooth modules.
As for the DMM IC, my guess for the DMM front end IC is maybe the Hycon HY3131 or the Fortune FS9704B? The UEI DM397 DMM uses the 50,000 count FS9704B IC, but I thought the 50,000 count HY3131 seemed like a better feature match (eg, runs at 3.6V). But it might be neither of those two, maybe there are other dedicated 50000 count DMM IC chips out there?
And the DMM IC would work in conjunction with the STM32L micro I presume. I don't know too much about that area, but I'm interested in learning a bit.
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #111 on: February 17, 2017, 10:45:56 pm »
Does this thing have an estimated time of release?


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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2017, 11:18:27 pm »
Does this thing have an estimated time of release?

As soon as it's ready. The Gantt chart was thrown out the window a long time back
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #113 on: February 18, 2017, 09:10:48 pm »
Is that going to be a Kickstarter as some people suggest in this thread or just "normal EEVBlog shop" ?
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #114 on: February 18, 2017, 11:36:18 pm »
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #115 on: February 18, 2017, 11:37:00 pm »
Is that going to be a Kickstarter as some people suggest in this thread or just "normal EEVBlog shop" ?

Kickstarter
 
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #116 on: February 18, 2017, 11:41:16 pm »
Is that going to be a Kickstarter as some people suggest in this thread or just "normal EEVBlog shop" ?

Kickstarter
But presumably a normal stocked product afterwards ?
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #117 on: February 18, 2017, 11:47:24 pm »
Is that going to be a Kickstarter as some people suggest in this thread or just "normal EEVBlog shop" ?
Kickstarter
But presumably a normal stocked product afterwards ?

Of course, but almost certainly at a higher price.
It's the usual problem of having to pony up a large sum of money for that initial minimum bulk production run.
Didn't do that for my new high voltage probe, because it's already (or will be) an off-the-shelf product, so I can order as many as I like. But still I pony'd up a lot of cash for initial stock.
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #118 on: February 19, 2017, 06:39:31 pm »
Is that going to be a Kickstarter as some people suggest in this thread or just "normal EEVBlog shop" ?
Kickstarter
But presumably a normal stocked product afterwards ?

Of course, but almost certainly at a higher price.
It's the usual problem of having to pony up a large sum of money for that initial minimum bulk production run.
Didn't do that for my new high voltage probe, because it's already (or will be) an off-the-shelf product, so I can order as many as I like. But still I pony'd up a lot of cash for initial stock.


New high voltage probe?  I don't see it in your main page store or on Amazon. The is the first I have seen any mention of it. 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #119 on: February 19, 2017, 09:13:00 pm »
Will it have a dBm mode? That's something I use all the time - I do a lot of audio work.

In the case of Fluke, you need to stretch to a 187/9 or 287/9 to get that (and you know how these eat batteries!). The classic 8050A and 8060 models have it, of course, along with the 45. I use them all, along with an 8920A for wide BW stuff.

As it's only a bit of code, it's a shame that it isn't more widespread at the saner end of the market. I suppose a lack of a "dB" annunciator on the chosen LCD might rule it out?

For me, it'll turn a "maybe" into a "definitely"  :-+
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2017, 09:21:46 pm »
Will it have a dBm mode? That's something I use all the time - I do a lot of audio work.

In the case of Fluke, you need to stretch to a 187/9 or 287/9 to get that (and you know how these eat batteries!). The classic 8050A and 8060 models have it, of course, along with the 45. I use them all, along with an 8920A for wide BW stuff.

As it's only a bit of code, it's a shame that it isn't more widespread at the saner end of the market. I suppose a lack of a "dB" annunciator on the chosen LCD might rule it out?

For me, it'll turn a "maybe" into a "definitely"  :-+

Hope I'm right here -- pretty sure it does have dBm mode  ;D
 
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #121 on: February 20, 2017, 04:03:44 pm »
Sure, why not reveal a low-burden multimeter just after I order a uCurrent?  :P
At least this uCurrent will have a lot of experiences to share with me, as DHL seems to be giving it a long vacation in Europe  >:D

Good timing, I fried my uCurrent last week. Never miss a genuine oppurtunity to buy more test gear.
 
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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #122 on: February 20, 2017, 04:41:06 pm »
Whats the processor? and will it be open to custom firmware?

STM32L152D
Schematic and protocols will be open, not sure about firmware.
Standard low cost ST ARM programmer header.

The only STM32L152xD device in LQFP64 package is STM32L152RDT6

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #123 on: February 20, 2017, 05:03:02 pm »
There's no challenge in that.
The 121GW is very much worth the effort!

Indeed, it's fun to have been part of the process.
The uRuler is coming as well, just have to think of a few more things to add.
More centimeters?

Something that will be a world first in rulers

Transistor tester?
 

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Re: New EEVBlog-Branded Multimeter Coming?
« Reply #124 on: February 20, 2017, 08:32:55 pm »

Transistor tester?

 :-DD Now that's a quality multimeter must-have feature, for sure! It's how you know if a DMM is any good or not :-DD
 


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