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LazyJack:
I see you have no clue of what you are talking about. Self test is not there, becasue the unit is not realiable, or that there is or is not lifetime warranty.
Selftest is there to make sure that at the time of the measurement you can be pretty much certain that it is working as expected. And you can enter the measurement documentation that self test passed, that the battery voltage is xxV and that the unit was last calibrated 14 months ago. This is all extremely important for certain use cases at certain industries. And extremely not important to use cases where the people rate test and measurement equipement from Aliexpress on how nice the animation on the startup screen and whine about the price of a Fluke comapred to an Aneng.

2N3055:

--- Quote from: LazyJack on October 20, 2024, 08:37:10 am ---I see you have no clue of what you are talking about. Self test is not there, becasue the unit is not realiable, or that there is or is not lifetime warranty.
Selftest is there to make sure that at the time of the measurement you can be pretty much certain that it is working as expected. And you can enter the measurement documentation that self test passed, that the battery voltage is xxV and that the unit was last calibrated 14 months ago. This is all extremely important for certain use cases at certain industries. And extremely not important to use cases where the people rate test and measurement equipement from Aliexpress on how nice the animation on the startup screen and whine about the price of a Fluke comapred to an Aneng.

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I disagree. It is still useless, in a way that it does not replace or enhance any procedures in industries that need this kind of thing.

- Calibration is still needed, and it is clearly stated on Calibration sticker. If Calibration sticker is unreadable return for calibration.
- Probe cable, and 2 voltage ranges are checked on EXTERNAL known voltages before checking live circuits that can pose health hazard. By Fluke's own statement SelfCheck does not replace that and is not to be used instead. They specifically say it is not replacement for calibration or live test.
- Every meter (including Aneng) has battery self check. They have battery low indicator. If battery low indicator in on, meter is not to be used. If battery indicator is showing battery is OK, then all specifications of meter are in specifications. Nobody gives a FF what battery voltage is.

In fact calibration warning is more than useless because it does not keep a record who and when pressed OK on the warning, and battery and all other checks are only adding work to people, because now they have to do paperwork on that crap too. And writing down a battery voltage, instead of just checking Battery OK.

In fact, this sounds exactly like something invented by someone that was never a technician in critical industries but they wanted to add some cool wanky feature to show innovation.

This switch position will never be used by any people in critical industries. In fact, I could see field manuals enhanced by warnings that it should not be used as a replacement for current safety procedures.

robert.rozee:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 20, 2024, 09:55:48 am ---- Calibration is still needed, and it [needs to be] clearly stated on Calibration sticker. If Calibration sticker is unreadable return for calibration.
- Probe cable, and 2 voltage ranges are checked on EXTERNAL known voltages before checking live circuits that can pose health hazard. By Fluke's own statement SelfCheck does not replace that and is not to be used instead. They specifically say it is not replacement for calibration or live test.
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agreed 100%, for traceability when things go wrong, the only acceptable thing will be an initialed and dated calibration sticker. likewise, when things go wrong, only use of a physically external test device of some sort (with a cal sticker itself) will be accepted as proof that the operator had checked out the meter.

and in the majority of cases when things do not go wrong, no one will care less about any of these things anyway. it is only when someone loses an eye that calibration stickers and other records are examined!


... but did nobody else notice the obvious - the abysmally bad display? while the meter has a very large LCD screen, measurements are displayed in a font that fills just a tiny proportion of the screen real-estate, and the contrast was appalling. those things are surely enough to exclude the meter from any serious field use.


cheers,
rob   :-)

Fungus:
Why would it show the battery level?

Isn't it better to make a meter that simply refuses to work if the battery is too low?

This is a gimmick in terms of real functionality...

...but with the right marketing I bet it'll sell millions.

floobydust:
Fluke Everett next to Boeing does have some employee crosstalk problems. First the "MAX" name and now it's a multimeter for doing QA. Makes me laugh, all it needs is a printer for QA PASS stickers lol which was a thing in early 2000 when ISO-9001 was all the rage. Such innovation.

Proof is if the "Self-check" is simply a marketing wank feature for some QA sales OR does it instill a sense of safety that the DMM reads voltage correctly? If self-check fails and hazardous voltages are not displayed, it's going to be a neat lawsuit. We can ask Fluke for the FMEA showing 100% coverage of those safety issues.
Any of us with vintage or chinese multimeters always do a self check every time we use them.


The 283 manual says F/W updates must be done with 3xAA battery voltage above 4.0V and no mention what chemistry the product works with, just LR6.

The TL175-HV test leads look interesting with patent TwistGuard extendable guard whatever that is.
Nice to pull a Boeing and use the same model number, who ordered the ordinary 1,000V TL175 and killed that QA person LOL.

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