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New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« on: August 01, 2021, 11:49:31 pm »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2021, 12:15:42 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2021, 12:26:04 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
Where do you see 25kpts/channel?  I see 200Mpts / channel.  Stop spreading fake information.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2021, 12:31:20 am »
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel

Yeah, 25kpts is the old version. 200Mpts is the new, as per that 2021 catalogue. :-)

That's part of why I'm holding off: I would like to see what it does, if anything, to pricing on their other models.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2021, 12:33:31 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
Where do you see 25kpts/channel?  I see 200Mpts / channel.  Stop spreading fake information.
One can only go on the official website information:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2021, 12:35:51 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
Where do you see 25kpts/channel?  I see 200Mpts / channel.  Stop spreading fake information.
One can only go on the official website information:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108
Please stop pretending to be stupid. You are not that dumb  :palm:
This thread is a about the 3000A series. As a Siglent dealer you should know the significance of postfixes as Siglent is king when it comes to convoluted postfixes.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2021, 12:37:30 am by nctnico »
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2021, 12:41:58 am »
One can only go on the official website information:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108

Did you look at the official website information I actually posted in the original post?
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2021, 01:15:22 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
Where do you see 25kpts/channel?  I see 200Mpts / channel.  Stop spreading fake information.
One can only go on the official website information:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108
Please stop pretending to be stupid. You are not that dumb  :palm:
This thread is a about the 3000A series. As a Siglent dealer you should know the significance of postfixes as Siglent is king when it comes to convoluted postfixes.
Keep your hair on Nico and please show us where a 3000A model is listed on the GW website:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/layer/Oscilloscopes

It ain't. Period !
So if one wants to see the full datasheet and not some mention in a brochure with a few key specs but not the real bones of capability then it's hearsay until an official datasheet is found.  :P
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2021, 01:22:42 am »
Keep your hair on Nico and please show us where a 3000A model is listed on the GW website:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/layer/Oscilloscopes

It ain't. Period !
So if one wants to see the full datasheet and not some mention in a brochure with a few key specs but not the real bones of capability then it's hearsay until an official datasheet is found.  :P

You seemed to miss the point of the thread. Try re-reading the original post, and seeing if you can figure out what I was actually asking about. :-)
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2021, 08:40:55 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
Where do you see 25kpts/channel?  I see 200Mpts / channel.  Stop spreading fake information.
One can only go on the official website information:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108
Please stop pretending to be stupid. You are not that dumb  :palm:
This thread is a about the 3000A series. As a Siglent dealer you should know the significance of postfixes as Siglent is king when it comes to convoluted postfixes.
Keep your hair on Nico and please show us where a 3000A model is listed on the GW website:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/layer/Oscilloscopes

It ain't. Period !
So if one wants to see the full datasheet and not some mention in a brochure with a few key specs but not the real bones of capability then it's hearsay until an official datasheet is found.  :P
Please stop digging your hole deeper. Do I really need to list all the threads where you announce new Siglent equipment showing just a picture WITHOUT any meaningfull specs?
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2021, 09:00:49 am »
Calm down guys ....


If we loose the Siglent support here, it could hinder some people who need the support ...

EEvblog doesn't need that kind of talk
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2021, 10:08:31 am »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:

https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html

They list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebs whatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the product at all?

I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.

Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?
You might find this spec particularly limiting:
Record Length 25k points / channel
Where do you see 25kpts/channel?  I see 200Mpts / channel.  Stop spreading fake information.
One can only go on the official website information:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108
Please stop pretending to be stupid. You are not that dumb  :palm:
This thread is a about the 3000A series. As a Siglent dealer you should know the significance of postfixes as Siglent is king when it comes to convoluted postfixes.
Keep your hair on Nico and please show us where a 3000A model is listed on the GW website:
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/layer/Oscilloscopes

It ain't. Period !
So if one wants to see the full datasheet and not some mention in a brochure with a few key specs but not the real bones of capability then it's hearsay until an official datasheet is found.  :P
Please stop digging your hole deeper. Do I really need to list all the threads where you announce new Siglent equipment showing just a picture WITHOUT any meaningfull specs?
Never have I done so without at least a Chinese datasheet and when looking for such today for this GWI I couldn't find such a thing.
Your turn to find one wise guy.  :popcorn:
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2021, 11:05:28 am »
Calm down guys ....


If we loose the Siglent support here, it could hinder some people who need the support ...

EEvblog doesn't need that kind of talk

Hi, thanks for verifying that Chinese brands do terrible work at answering west customers emails..   :-DD

To all ...
It is 100% expected, the Taiwanese giant along with the recently acquired Japanese industries, to be now able to deliver a fresher and more superior class of products.

SIGLENT this is a tiny competitor, always was.

The one who deserves be worried right now, this is Keysight alone.
In the past ten years, measuring applications number were increased.
Large brands now aim industrial customers, car industry, solar, EV, medical power supply, and more.

About GDS-3654A more than 50% of product specifications are know from the posted info.
After the official product release date, consumers will be able to see and the complete picture too.

News should be handled as of what they are = NEWS
Buying decisions making this is a premature action for now.
 
 
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2021, 11:27:46 am »
Oh, Kiriakos is back   :palm:
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2021, 01:43:25 pm »
Oh, Kiriakos is back   :palm:

Mr. Triantafillou to you. (all that we have in common this is number of fingers at both hands) therefore do not start feeling as equal.

But do not worry, the only member that I would love to steal this is @nctnico.
He has ethics and skills so to prevent truth from be demolished due evil sources.  :)
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2021, 04:43:58 am »
Here's the scope in question, taken from https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html:



A measly 800 x 480 display on a 10.2 inch screen?  Seriously?   :palm:
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2021, 06:49:51 pm »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:


Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?

The new discovery this a fact, but you did poor research about the price point of such Oscilloscopes, them dedicated to electronics developers.
These are not toy scopes at 500$ range. 

I would be surprised if GW Instek succeed to hold down the retail pricing at 5,500 ~ 8,500 Euros
In Error, you came across of a product aiming to compete with MSO/DPO5000B ... Base Price 20,400 € - 40,400 €

 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2021, 07:11:37 pm »
Here's the scope in question, taken from https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html:

A measly 800 x 480 display on a 10.2 inch screen?  Seriously?   :palm:

GW Instek and any brand out there, it deliver improvements which will considered as such by their loyal costumers, which are familiar and prefer the specific Graphic User Interface.
 
I am using my GW scope since 16 March 2013, by getting older I do prefer now using DMM App at most measurements, because digits appear larger and this is a major convenience.
Now I can read the screen from two meters away.

New selection of screen dimension at such class of scopes, this is about to be loved due elder engineers and they will be able to see the screen from larger distance too.

GW Instek will continue having loyal costumers, because they are aiming to continue their own heritage with out be copycats.
Their offering = unique features for unique engineers.   
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2021, 08:12:27 pm »
I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:


Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?

The new discovery this a fact, but you did poor research about the price point of such Oscilloscopes, them dedicated to electronics developers.
These are not toy scopes at 500$ range. 

I would be surprised if GW Instek succeed to hold down the retail pricing at 5,500 ~ 8,500 Euros
In Error, you came across of a product aiming to compete with MSO/DPO5000B ... Base Price 20,400 € - 40,400 €

I don't know where you got your "500$ range" from.

It wasn't from me.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2021, 02:08:33 am »
GW Instek and any brand out there, it deliver improvements which will considered as such by their loyal costumers, which are familiar and prefer the specific Graphic User Interface.

I'm not arguing that you need to change the GUI in any way that would substantially alter how to use the scope.  A larger resolution allows you to put more information on the screen.  Information which previously would have obscured other more useful information can be shown simultaneously when you have a larger resolution to work with.  See the R&S RTB 2000 series scopes for an example of the things you can do with a larger resolution (for instance, they put numerical indicators at the edges that show you what voltage or time values are represented by the grid overlay, so you don't have to work it out in your head or use cursors).


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I am using my GW scope since 16 March 2013, by getting older I do prefer now using DMM App at most measurements, because digits appear larger and this is a major convenience.
Now I can read the screen from two meters away.

And you'd still be able to even with a higher resolution.  A higher resolution doesn't automatically mean that everything is smaller.  Whether that's how it works out or not is up to the UI designer.

But a perfect example of how a larger resolution is truly useful is the Siglent SDS2000X+ series zoom mode.  The combination of larger screen (same as this new Instek scope) and higher resolution makes it possible to show the zoomed waveform at the same size and vertical resolution as what you'd previously be showing the unzoomed waveform on a scope with a smaller screen and resolution.

By not going with a larger resolution, Instek has decided to forego nearly all of the advantages that a larger screen makes possible, and leave you with only a magnified image.  For some like yourself, that might be enough.  But for many, the larger screen will bring no advantages at all, precisely because it gives you no resolution improvement.


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GW Instek will continue having loyal costumers, because they are aiming to continue their own heritage with out be copycats.
Their offering = unique features for unique engineers.

You don't have to forego a higher resolution in order to achieve that.

I have no doubt there will be buyers of this scope.  But I can nearly guarantee that a higher resolution, and appropriate changes to take advantage of it, will make the scope that much more appealing and will draw in that much more in the way of customers.  And if the price range is what you suggest it'll be, all of its competition will have better displays, making it likely that foregoing a resolution increase was a dumb choice.

It's a business decision in the end, of course, and Instek has already made that decision.  It'll be interesting to see how it works out for them.

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2021, 08:13:42 am »
There still is a chance the screen resolution or size is an error in the brochure. I'm not even sure you can actually buy 10.2" screens with 800x480 resolution. Looking at the picture I think the display is only 8"; the size of the casing seems similar to that of the GDS1000B / GDS2000E series. The latter has an 8" screen. OTOH it is also possible that it actually is a touch screen and the physical buttons are now on-screen buttons. The image is not clear enough to see whether the buttons are on a bezel or on the screen itself.  Let's just wait and see what the actual device looks like.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2021, 11:20:11 am »
Let's just wait and see what the actual device looks like.
In the middle of so much speculation and opinions, this is the only sound recommendation in this thread - sure it doesn't help the OP but, at the moment, GWI employees (and perhaps some of their key customers) are the only ones that will have anything to say with more substance...

Regarding the display: the more the merrier, but it doesn't turn it unusable like other parameters. My DS4014 with its 9'' 800x480 does a fine job in this regard. Sure, it is a 2021 design and the Rigol is reaching 8 ~ 10 years already, so the comparison might be seen as unfair.
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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2021, 12:43:12 pm »
Most powerful feature of GDS-3000 series, which will be inherited also at the Newer GDS-3000 models, this has nothing to do with screen appearance and pixels.

Four channels of a single GDS-3000, this is four of GDS-2000A them operating by a common screen.
Power analysis software this is another strong point.
GDS-3000 series this is unique line of products, always was.

If R&S marketing team was not acting as idiots in the past six years, then I would care today to find at which class of their scopes the GDS-3000 compares to.

Either way,  GDS-3000 series this is top dollar range of products, I do not understand of why some one would care to perform commenting for a product that he will never have.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2021, 01:04:07 pm »
I'm not that familiar with GW Instek scopes, though I did consider them when I made my recent purchase of a new scope. The GDS-3000 series is now over 10 years old, based on searching in this forum. 10 years is a long time for a scope, given all the innovations that have happened in the past several years. The one thing I quickly realized when searching for a scope that suits me is that the older model scopes simply aren't worth it, with regard to my main digital scope that I'll use everyday. I never realized how useful a lot of the new features are until I used them. The old saying, "time is money" definitely applies to me. Even outside of my job, I often do stuff which I sell or get paid to do. It's easy to forget, but unless you're a true hobbyist and time doesn't matter to you, you should calculate what your time is worth and figure that into your equipment purchase decisions. It's very easy in that case, as far as I'm concerned, to justify spending an extra $1000 to get the scope that'll really allow you to do your job efficiently, and over the life of the scope that additional investment can easily end up saving you a lot of money.

How this correlates to the new GDS-3654A/3354A, well, I assume this is an upgrade to the GDS-3000 series, and will be replacing it, or at least they'll be dropping some from that series. After all, at 10 years old, it's bound to become less and less economical to continue to produce, and it becomes harder to find components that are already EOL, etc. So it's definitely needed. I already made my decision last month on my scope, so it's too late to consider these new GW scopes now. I will though say that I'm in agreement that 800x480 resolution is just silly for a newly introduced scope. That alone would likely make me not consider it, though if I could find a dealer where I could see it in action, or watch a YouTube video of it, I'd be open to reconsider. I went with the Siglent SDS2014X+ and will do the upgrades, but the one thing I wished I had on my scope was separate controls for the 4 channels, which I see this one has. I'm sure the list price on this one will be a lot more than the Siglent, but then it's in a higher class, and may very well be worth it. Had I not just bought my scope, and if this one had a higher resolution, I  definitely would had held up in making my decision to seriously consider this scope.

As for the comments about older people needing to see the screen, actually I fall into that category. Being able to see the screen well is extremely important to me. I remember I was visiting a different company some time ago, and they had a new middle range scope from either Tektronix or Agilent, I don't remember which, and the time base had the ms/us/ns stacked vertically and in such a small font that even with the scope right in front of me I couldn't easily make it out. I made me shake my head how someone just spent a good chunk of change on that scope, and to me the screen was unreadable, making the scope almost worthless to me. Sure, I could squint enough and make it out, or use a magnifying glass, but then my efficiency would go way down. So seeing the screen, and seeing it easily with just a glance is definitely a top priority for me. And to be honest, the most important thing in that regard is the GUI design and making the fonts the proper size so they can be EASILY read. Now a higher resolution can allow a good GUI designer to make the fonts even more readable, and the overall look much more pleasing. But no matter how high the resolution is, if you have an amateur GUI designer on the project, the high resolution is worthless, at least to me. Of course a higher resolution also helps a lot for making the waveform look more accurate.

Regardless that I'm not in the market for a scope like this, nice to see progress marching on.
 

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Re: New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them?
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2021, 08:18:37 pm »
There still is a chance the screen resolution or size is an error in the brochure. I'm not even sure you can actually buy 10.2" screens with 800x480 resolution. Looking at the picture I think the display is only 8"; the size of the casing seems similar to that of the GDS1000B / GDS2000E series. The latter has an 8" screen. OTOH it is also possible that it actually is a touch screen and the physical buttons are now on-screen buttons. The image is not clear enough to see whether the buttons are on a bezel or on the screen itself.  Let's just wait and see what the actual device looks like.

That's possible.  It would be unusual for a GUI to be crafted in such a way as to mimic the same look as a previous product with a bezel and real buttons, though.

But it really does look like a 10.2" screen like the brochure says.  Here's a picture from the brochure of the new scope along with a GDS-2000 and GDS-1000 series scope:



In the above, you can see that the BNC connectors in each have about the same diameter, so it's likely they're all to the same relative scale.  And the display of the new scope is definitely larger than that of the GDS-2000 series scope shown in the picture.


The display shown in the picture does look like an 8" display.  It's possible that they made an error in the specifications in the brochure, but given the apparent price range of the device, I suspect that
 


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