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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2017, 06:35:02 pm »
20pF of input capacitance on the scope inputs - pretty high compared to most Keysight gear. Perhaps another rebadge?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2017, 06:48:36 pm »
Interesting. The 1000 series is no more a rebadged device.
It seems it is originally factured from Keysight in Malaysia.
I am in suspense to see it the first time...   :popcorn:
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2017, 07:11:45 pm »
It seems it is originally factured from Keysight in Malaysia.
Why do you think so? Zauba device's SN is CNxxxx. That's made in China.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2017, 07:27:13 pm »
Rumours say it is a rebadged version of a Chinese competitor.

Recently some photo has leaked out about the new Keysight 1000X series.

Maybe the photo provides more clarity in this ongoing debate? :)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2017, 07:31:42 pm »
Maybe the photo provides more clarity in this ongoing debate? :)
Too many channels!
But the pricing seem to be exactly the same as competitor's 4 channel version.
 

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Re: New Keysight Scope 1st March 2017
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2017, 07:31:58 pm »
How long would it take for Fungus to chime in and say the Rigol DS1054Z is way better than the 100MHz scopes Keysight is giving away?  >:D

 :-//

If they're going to launch a 4-channel 100MHz 'scope with decent features, memory, etc. for $400 then I'll switch instantly. I've got no loyalty to Rigol.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2017, 07:34:10 pm »
It seems it is originally factured from Keysight in Malaysia.
Why do you think so? Zauba device's SN is CNxxxx. That's made in China.

Don´t you have seen this link: https://fccid.io/MSIP-REM-Kst-1A15150

Some quotes from it:

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The InfiniiVision 1000 X-Series Oscilloscope, manufactured by Keysight Technologies, Inc. and sold by Keysight Technologies, Inc. has an Authorization Number [...]

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Company:   Keysight Technologies, Inc.
Device Name:   InfiniiVision 1000 X-Series Oscilloscope
Model:   DSOX1102G
Sub-Model:   DSOX1102A, EDUX1002A, EDUX1002G
[...]
Manufacturer:   Keysight Technologies, Inc.
Country:   Malaysia
[...]

So there are two different informations available?
Oh, yes, I have totally forgotten: Keysight is somehow related to the USA.
And there is now something new: Facts and alternative Facts...   :-//
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2017, 07:35:11 pm »
I am in suspense to see it the first time...   :popcorn:

I am less so...  :=\

The new model seems to be positioned well below the existing Keysight scopes (going by the model number and prices floating around), so I don't expect any performance breakthoughs. This being Keysight, I would be surprised if it would set a new "bang for the buck" standard in the entry-level segment. More likely than not is has been "developed in collaboration" with a Chinese company. So what's to be excited about? (That being said, I would not mind a positive surprise...)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2017, 07:42:19 pm »
The new model seems to be positioned well below the existing Keysight scopes (going by the model number and prices floating around), so I don't expect any performance breakthoughs. This being Keysight, I would be surprised if it would set a new "bang for the buck" standard in the entry-level segment. More likely than not is has been "developed in collaboration" with a Chinese company. So what's to be excited about? (That being said, I would not mind a positive surprise...)

Remember the launch of the new series of "entry level" Teks a few months ago?

Everybody was like, "The one true oscilloscope manufacturer is back!!", then the specs came out everybody was like.  :palm:

I'm sure Siglent wont do that, their $1000 'scopes are resonable, but... let's see if they're going to shake the market up or not. Somebody eventually has to take on Rigol at the $400 price point, will it be Siglent? :popcorn:
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2017, 07:46:07 pm »
So there are two different informations available?
FCC data is legal / certification related info. And Zauba lists one real device and its serial number. Not sure what's more relevant to this model's original maker, but I think both of the sources are very reliable.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2017, 08:14:31 pm »
From the Keysight website:
Keysight Technologies EDUX1002G CN56240007 - InfiniiVision 1000 X-Series Education Oscilloscope with WaveGen, 50 MHz, 1 GS/s, 2Ch
There is no calibration data to look at yet.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2017, 09:14:12 pm »
Keysight Technologies EDUX1002G CN56240007 - InfiniiVision 1000 X-Series Education Oscilloscope with WaveGen, 50 MHz, 1 GS/s, 2Ch
$650 for 50Mhz 1GSa/a 2Ch... oh
Government agencies make it hard for biz to really surprise customers with the new goods :)
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2017, 09:18:54 pm »
More and more universities in Europe are turning to Rigol gear for their labs.
The golden years where Tektronix used to have a monopoly position in academic latitudes are long gone.
And I am convinced that the TBS series with poor specs isn't going to change anything about that.

Teachers don't care about specs, they care about course material and how much work they have to so to produce class work.
If:
a) The class material is already written for Tek scopes, they'll use Tek scopes again.
b) If Tek offer comprehensive course material with the scopes then they'll buy Tek scopes.

Tek and Keysight are the only two scope makers who offer course material with scopes and actively target this market with that.
With Rigol and Siglent et.al it's like "We have cheap feature packed scopes, what more do you want?".
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2017, 09:20:51 pm »
Keysight Technologies EDUX1002G CN56240007 - InfiniiVision 1000 X-Series Education Oscilloscope with WaveGen, 50 MHz, 1 GS/s, 2Ch
$650 for 50Mhz 1GSa/a 2Ch... oh

What's the capabilities of the "WaveGen"? (probably very low frequency like the R&S HMO1002)

They're definitely aiming at the educational market. Engineers need not apply.


 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2017, 09:27:05 pm »
So there are two different informations available?
Oh, yes, I have totally forgotten: Keysight is somehow related to the USA.
And there is now something new: Facts and alternative Facts...   :-//

The new scope is not a rebadger.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2017, 09:37:42 pm »
The new scope is not a rebadger.

But is it developed with/manufactured by an OEM partner, maybe?
And would it possibly show notable similarities with scopes available from that partner?  ;)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2017, 10:49:49 pm »
More and more universities in Europe are turning to Rigol gear for their labs.
The golden years where Tektronix used to have a monopoly position in academic latitudes are long gone.
And I am convinced that the TBS series with poor specs isn't going to change anything about that.

Teachers don't care about specs, they care about course material and how much work they have to so to produce class work.
If:
a) The class material is already written for Tek scopes, they'll use Tek scopes again.
b) If Tek offer comprehensive course material with the scopes then they'll buy Tek scopes.

Tek and Keysight are the only two scope makers who offer course material with scopes and actively target this market with that.
With Rigol and Siglent et.al it's like "We have cheap feature packed scopes, what more do you want?".

Maybe that's how it works in the USA, but in Europe students are encouraged to learn by doing, and it should not be too easy either.

There are many good all-round books about scopes, so there is really no point to make a book that is targeted to a specific model of a scope. Those kind of books have no value IMO, as it is better to learn the general principles.

Students who graduate, will start working in companies where they will have to use gear from different manufacturers, and due to tight schedules, they will not have the opportunity to take a whole week in order to sit and read through the supplied user manuals :)

Moreover some stuff you simply can not learn from a book, and the easiest is just to start playing with it. How many engineers do actually read manuals? The same counts for those engineers while they are still student :)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2017, 10:57:23 pm »
The new scope is not a rebadger.

But is it developed with/manufactured by an OEM partner, maybe?
And would it possibly show notable similarities with scopes available from that partner?  ;)
Unlikely to have any outside input if its being manufactured in Malaysia (along with most of their scopes) as suggested above, the older 1000 series were straight out of china.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2017, 11:15:18 pm »
Unlikely to have any outside input if its being manufactured in Malaysia (along with most of their scopes) as suggested above, the older 1000 series were straight out of china.

The older 1000 series scope were just rebaged Rigol's.
Keysight (Agilent then) help build the monster that now is one of their main competitors, and they regret every bit of that decision. They didn't just rebadge but help them out technically too.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2017, 11:15:55 pm »
The new scope is not a rebadger.
But is it developed with/manufactured by an OEM partner, maybe?
And would it possibly show notable similarities with scopes available from that partner?  ;)

No, and No.
But it is made in China.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2017, 12:59:38 am »
I’m not sure how this scope month is supposed to help promote Keysight in those countries that are excluded, such as the one yours truly lives in. I would be more tempted to buy a Keysight scope if they simply reduced prices for a month.

Second point: our dear leader has often gone on about his goal of encouraging innovation & technology – hard when you discourage a major manufacturer of tech gear from running a promotion because it involves giving product away...
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2017, 02:39:31 am »
I wish somebody would go the other way around and rebadge Keysight scopes. I know it's a silly thing to care about but seriously, "Keysight"? I can't help but cringe when I hear that name.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2017, 03:46:12 am »
What's wrong with the name? Seems like a perfectly suitable name for a t&m company to me.


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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2017, 04:10:10 am »
I’m not sure how this scope month is supposed to help promote Keysight in those countries that are excluded, such as the one yours truly lives in.

You're talking about it aren't you?  ;D
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2017, 05:15:35 am »
What's wrong with the name? Seems like a perfectly suitable name for a t&m company to me.


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It just rubs me the wrong way for some reason, maybe I'm just still bitter about the demise of HP. I have mostly older test equipment, always liked HP, Tektronix and Fluke gear.
 


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