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Offline ruairi

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #375 on: February 23, 2017, 06:55:44 pm »
I'm keeping an eye to this new scope.  My Tek 620A died last week and I'm not sure I have the time or motivation to deal with recapping it and getting up and running, thankfully no PCB damage.

There's a dealer local to me selling a new DSOX2024A for $1500 U.S., I'm tempted.

 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #376 on: February 24, 2017, 05:24:49 pm »
There isn't much to see, but looking at this one board, it reminds me of the highly integrated and modular GWInstek series using Zynq, so they can get performance and lower overall price and easily swap in out modules to get the other models made.


I just noticed that PWA is REV 002 already!
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #377 on: February 24, 2017, 11:53:02 pm »
I've seen the new 100MHz Keysight scope, it's a nice looking but if kit. Same chipset as the 3000 apparently. Does have serial decoders, but obviously limited to 2 channels, so can't work with with 3 line serial busses.
2GSPS is nice, price good, on a par with 4 channel 50Hz Rigol. Rumour has it only 50ppm but this may change.
Overall I'd be really pleased to win one. Having said that, my  current 4 channel 100Mhz Micsig works well, much deeper memory than Keysight.
The real win for Keysight is the speedy interface and good sample rate for the price, good for glitch spotting.

 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #378 on: February 25, 2017, 12:18:42 am »
I believe it can do 3 line serial decode such a SPI, it uses the digital input for the 3rd channel. This looks to only apply to the dsox version though and not the edu models.
Hopefully Daniel can clarify.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #379 on: February 25, 2017, 12:21:35 am »
I believe it can do 3 line serial decode such a SPI, it uses the digital input for the 3rd channel. This looks to only apply to the dsox version though and not the edu models.
Hopefully Daniel can clarify.
I recall seeing that it can use the trigger input for various things including SPI decode.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #380 on: February 25, 2017, 04:30:31 pm »
Only a fool uses their scope to measure the mains directly.

Have you ever worked in a student lab? You would be amazed at what students stick their probes into.  :-DD :palm:

These scopes are targeted at students.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #381 on: February 25, 2017, 06:15:54 pm »
Thanks for the info on the trigger input and serial decoding, they didn't mention the trigger input when serial decoding was discussed.

Hopefully they'll tidy up the 50ppm, it's about the most uncertainty I've seen on a DSO.
Most others entry scopes seem to be around the 20ppm mark (even the Keysight 3000a was 20ppm), though mid spec scopes like the Keysight 3000T or R&S RTM2000 are now in the 2ppm range.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #382 on: February 25, 2017, 06:29:00 pm »
Hopefully they'll tidy up the 50ppm, it's about the most uncertainty I've seen on a DSO.
Most others entry scopes seem to be around the 20ppm mark (even the Keysight 3000a was 20ppm), though mid spec scopes like the Keysight 3000T or R&S RTM2000 are now in the 2ppm range.

Pardon my ignorance: What quantity does the 50ppm spec refer to?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #383 on: February 25, 2017, 07:13:29 pm »
A crystal / oscillator of some flavour provides the reference clock for all the samples, timing and frequency measurement. For short term high speed measurements, 50pps is negligible in determining if an edge is sharp enough.
Over longer periods or measuring frequency it can matter. Having an handle on the frequency error between two bits of kit that are communication can be useful.


 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #384 on: February 25, 2017, 10:36:57 pm »
Only a fool uses their scope to measure the mains directly.

Have you ever worked in a student lab? You would be amazed at what students stick their probes into.  :-DD :palm:

These scopes are targeted at students.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #385 on: February 27, 2017, 03:14:58 am »
Very keen to see what the model/price breakdown of the range is going to look like.

I assume it will bring in the debate of 2ch Keysight vs 4ch Rigol, but I'm thinking Siglent might be in play soon as well?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #386 on: February 27, 2017, 04:56:38 pm »
May be a little bit of new info:

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #387 on: February 27, 2017, 06:11:48 pm »
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #388 on: February 27, 2017, 06:39:21 pm »
http://www.distrelec.de/search?q=DSOX1102

599 EUR (+ VAT I guess) may be cheap by Keysight's standards but it's actually on par with Rigol DS1074Z Plus, while being inferior in multiple aspects (channel count, hackability, MSO possibility, memory depth, LAN,  the IMHO only DSO1000X advantage is MegaZoom ASIC processing speed, not even WFM/s as it is only 50k in 1000X series, just the UI & decoding and 2 GS/s sampling doesn't matter much with a 70 MHz scope).

I'm not in the market for a low end scope (already have DS1054Z), but if I were I doubt I would go with Keysight in this case.

Probably for the EDU market bulk buying gives discounts and freebies (EMBD option etc) and then maybe DSO1000X looks more favourable to Rigol DS1074Z.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #389 on: February 27, 2017, 06:44:03 pm »
http://www.distrelec.de/search?q=DSOX1102

Hm, equivalent GDS-2102E is 20% cheaper. So it better be hackable otherwise hard to see anything going for it besides bode plotter and sampling rate...
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #390 on: February 27, 2017, 06:48:49 pm »
not sure if already linked, Distrelec's datasheet: http://www.distrelec.de/Web/Downloads/_t/ds/1000X_eng_tds.pdf

serial decodes (I2C, SPI, UART/RS232, CAN, LIN) are a paid option. Bummer.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #391 on: February 27, 2017, 07:24:08 pm »
http://www.distrelec.de/search?q=DSOX1102

Hm, equivalent GDS-2102E is 20% cheaper. So it better be hackable otherwise hard to see anything going for it besides bode plotter and sampling rate...

i'll wait and see the manual/review. AFAIK only the keysight can use the external trigger as a source for decoding (to what extent i don't know, let's see the manual. but if it lets you do for example miso/mosi/sck then it will be sold to me)
The bode plotter is a very nice feature IMHO, worth the money
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #392 on: February 27, 2017, 07:30:26 pm »
I'd wait a little. GW Instek has an updated version of the GDS2000E with MSO and function generator: the MSO2000 series. It wouldn't surprise me if they add bode plotting to their scopes as well if it is a good USP.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #393 on: February 27, 2017, 07:46:36 pm »
And here's the EDUX version (50 MHz, only 1 GSa/s, with signal generator):
http://www.distrelec.de/de/oszilloskop-2x50-mhz-gs-keysight-edux1002g/p/30081608

Also 599 Euro, excluding VAT.
Pretty much spot-on with the $650 price that had leaked earlier from customs documents.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #394 on: February 27, 2017, 08:03:18 pm »

And here's the EDUX version (50 MHz, only 1 GSa/s, with signal generator):
http://www.distrelec.de/de/oszilloskop-2x50-mhz-gs-keysight-edux1002g/p/30081608


FWIW, that datasheet is definitely not the official data sheet. The content at first glance appears to be correct, but it's definitely not the actual data sheet.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #395 on: February 27, 2017, 08:03:42 pm »
No doubt be £650 then.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #396 on: February 27, 2017, 09:03:01 pm »

And here's the EDUX version (50 MHz, only 1 GSa/s, with signal generator):
http://www.distrelec.de/de/oszilloskop-2x50-mhz-gs-keysight-edux1002g/p/30081608


FWIW, that datasheet is definitely not the official data sheet. The content at first glance appears to be correct, but it's definitely not the actual data sheet.

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2189548.pdf
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #397 on: February 27, 2017, 09:11:48 pm »

And here's the EDUX version (50 MHz, only 1 GSa/s, with signal generator):
http://www.distrelec.de/de/oszilloskop-2x50-mhz-gs-keysight-edux1002g/p/30081608


FWIW, that datasheet is definitely not the official data sheet. The content at first glance appears to be correct, but it's definitely not the actual data sheet.

Huh? I never claimed there was a datasheet there, official or not. It's the web page of a German distributor, offering the EDUX version of the scope at 599 Euro plus VAT; no more no less.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #398 on: February 27, 2017, 10:16:53 pm »

And here's the EDUX version (50 MHz, only 1 GSa/s, with signal generator):
http://www.distrelec.de/de/oszilloskop-2x50-mhz-gs-keysight-edux1002g/p/30081608


FWIW, that datasheet is definitely not the official data sheet. The content at first glance appears to be correct, but it's definitely not the actual data sheet.

Huh? I never claimed there was a datasheet there, official or not. It's the web page of a German distributor, offering the EDUX version of the scope at 599 Euro plus VAT; no more no less.

Someone posted a url to a "data sheet," I just wanted to make it 100% clear that that's not a real data sheet before anything took off. :)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #399 on: February 28, 2017, 01:29:13 am »
On the back of Silcon Chip March Edition ;)

 


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