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Offline ProBang2

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #425 on: February 28, 2017, 11:38:59 pm »
Have to add about $120-200 on each for the prices in this country, unfortunately.

EDUX1002A: $569
EDUX1002G: $823
DSOX1102A 70 MHz: $823
DSOX1102A 100 MHz: $1114
DSOX1102G 70 MHz: $1076
DSOX1102G 100 MHz: $1367

EDUX1000 I2C/SPI/RS232 Decoder: $190

Also makes me curious how the bus training signals work if you don't have the bus decoding option installed? No I2C decoding training for you!

Now I really hope I win one :P

I´m curious: Will all the options of the sweepstake-scopes be permanent enabled?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #426 on: February 28, 2017, 11:59:38 pm »
EDUX1000 I2C/SPI/RS232 Decoder: $190
Does that imply that the decodes for other models are more expensive ?
 
I think a problem they have is that they risk competing with their own 2000X series. Probably why there's no 4ch version. 
It's certainly a big improvement on the very tired Rigol badged model, and I'm sure it will sell because of Keysight's brand reputation. 
If they had included decodes and func gen as standard it could have been a much bigger deal - AFIAK nobody is yet including decodes as standard,  which in these days when pretty much everything has an MCU is just ridiculous.
I'm guessing the marketing suits thought the Tek TBS was real competiion and not a sad joke.

Do we know if the EDU will be on general sale, or just to educational establishments ?  I can sort of see that 100kpts isn't a big deal in education, but as we all know it's just hardware crippling, it still feels like a bit of a rip-off.

BTW another major manufacturer is releasing a new scope in about 2 weeks' time. Don't know how it's positioned market-wise but may know soon  ;)
 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #427 on: March 01, 2017, 12:00:06 am »
I found this last night. Keysight's 1000X ad on youtube ;)

 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #428 on: March 01, 2017, 12:23:44 am »
It seems Daniel needs to change his signature to "get a real scope", instead of "all the scopes".
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #429 on: March 01, 2017, 12:35:29 am »
It seems Daniel needs to change his signature to "get a real scope", instead of "all the scopes".

Probably it will be a combination: Get all the real scopes    :-//
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #430 on: March 01, 2017, 12:56:34 am »
How does one enter the competition for a scope? Im keen for one (I don't have a scope yet), so if this is the place, I'm in :)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #431 on: March 01, 2017, 02:01:19 am »
How does one enter the competition for a scope? Im keen for one (I don't have a scope yet), so if this is the place, I'm in :)

www.scopemonth.com

More discussion in the "contests" section :)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #432 on: March 01, 2017, 02:05:06 am »

The memory limitation is ridiculous.


FWIW, that spec is "per channel." Still, a memory increase is something that I'm pushing. If it happens, it'll probably be free.

For live debugging, it's less of an irritation, but for capturing & analyzing it could show up more.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #433 on: March 01, 2017, 02:22:19 am »
If they are hackable though then it's a whole different ball game.

We can see a panel we can snap/cut out under the USB jack for the lan port. Can't help but wonder if we just need to add a magjack like the 2000/3000 series to gain network access. From there we need telnet access and then a little software magic to enable everything.

Looking forward to a tear down - or a free one to experiment with, fingers crossed.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #434 on: March 01, 2017, 04:22:41 am »
 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #435 on: March 01, 2017, 04:40:41 am »
BTW another major manufacturer is releasing a new scope in about 2 weeks' time. Don't know how it's positioned market-wise but may know soon  ;)

I have one on the truck  :P
It's not sub $1k
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #436 on: March 01, 2017, 04:43:21 am »
BTW another major manufacturer is releasing a new scope in about 2 weeks' time. Don't know how it's positioned market-wise but may know soon  ;)

I have one on the truck  :P

For delivery to your dumpster.    :D
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #437 on: March 01, 2017, 04:48:56 am »
Teardown photos. Video editing now.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/albums/72157677358745114

Well doesn't look like there is any super easy connecting up a network jack.
They did nicely mark the JTAG connections for everything though.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #438 on: March 01, 2017, 06:12:52 am »
$448 USD for the bottom model according to the prices on Keysight's US website.

Btw, why does the EU website never list prices? It's very annoying and not like I can't just change the location to United States and see them anyway.

Here you can find prices for Europe:
http://www.datatec.de/Oszilloskope-Probes/Oszilloskope-500MHz-Bandbreite/index.htm

EDUX1002A (70MHz)     -    EUR 414,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)
DSOX1102A (70MHz)     -    EUR 599,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)
EDUX1002G (70MHz)     -    EUR 599,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)
DSOX1102G (70MHz)     -    EUR 783,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)

Upgrade to 100MHz:
DSOX1B7T102                -    EUR 212,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)

Upgrade I²C, SPI, RS232 decoding etc:
DSOX1EMBD                  -    EUR 138,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)

Upgrade CAN, CAN-FD and LIN Bus decoding etc:
DSOX1AUTO                  -    EUR 138,00    + VAT (19% in Germany)
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #439 on: March 01, 2017, 06:16:09 am »
What is truth about its very tiny segmented memory acquisition function?

http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5992-1965EN.pdf?id=2832547

In data sheet text (page 3.):

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Up to 50 segments can be captured on the 1000 X-Series models with a
minimum re-arm time of less than 19 us.

(with this speed even Siglent 1000X series can do real time waveform history with time stamps (just like segmented memory but all time on when scope run)


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In data sheet specificaations list (page 17.):
Maximum segments = 50.
Re-arm time = 1 us (minimum time between
trigger events)
(this is quite fast IF it is true, even Siglent 1000X series can not this speed, only half. But amount of segments is max over a thousand fold.)

If 1us is true, Keysight 1000X series maximum segments/s speed is 1Msegment/s.  Is it true?
Only max 50 segments, are there k missing or is it really only 50 segments?
Segment time stamps?

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #440 on: March 01, 2017, 06:23:17 am »
Quote from: LeWidget on Today at 11:56:34
How does one enter the competition for a scope? Im keen for one (I don't have a scope yet), so if this is the place, I'm in :)
Australia is excluded from the KS scope-month  :(

However Dave happened to find some in his dumpster and he is giving the used ones away - https://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/giveaway-keysight-1000-x-series-oscilloscope/   :-+

Edit: Changed link
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #441 on: March 01, 2017, 07:04:44 am »
BTW another major manufacturer is releasing a new scope in about 2 weeks' time. Don't know how it's positioned market-wise but may know soon  ;)

I have one on the truck  :P
It's not sub $1k
one lecroy 200 GS/s real time or blah?

because screw those kids stuff >:D
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #442 on: March 01, 2017, 07:08:29 am »
For delivery to your dumpster.    :D
Wish I had Dave's dumpster outside my place!
A treasure trove of great finds to be had! :-DD
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #443 on: March 01, 2017, 07:52:22 am »
For delivery to your dumpster.    :D
Wish I had Dave's dumpster outside my place!
A treasure trove of great finds to be had! :-DD

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #444 on: March 01, 2017, 08:07:33 am »
The competition website seems to allow any country, just select 'other' and type the name of your country in the box.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #445 on: March 01, 2017, 08:09:55 am »
The competition website seems to allow any country, just select 'other' and type the name of your country in the box.

But it's a lie. In the T&C it says:

"This promotion is limited to specific countries and is only open to entrants aged 18 years or older at the time of submission who are legal residents of, and physically located within Austria, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Republic of Korea, New Zealand, Poland, South Africa, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island), and Venezuela"

 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #446 on: March 01, 2017, 09:23:08 am »
AFIAK nobody is yet including decodes as standard,  which in these days when pretty much everything has an MCU is just ridiculous.

??? Pico: 1-Wire, ARINC 429, CAN, DCC, DMX512, FlexRay, Ethernet 10Base-T, USB 1.1, I²C, I²S, LIN, PS/2, SPI, SENT, UART/RS-232. Standard on all models. In fact I yesterday received 2408B and it's a little monster with its 128MB memory   :-+
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #447 on: March 01, 2017, 10:14:35 am »
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You mean I have to drown at sea before I can get the dumpster?  :-DD
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #448 on: March 01, 2017, 10:27:21 am »
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You mean I have to drown at sea before I can get the dumpster?  :-DD

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #449 on: March 01, 2017, 10:40:53 am »
AFIAK nobody is yet including decodes as standard,  which in these days when pretty much everything has an MCU is just ridiculous.
??? Pico: 1-Wire, ARINC 429, CAN, DCC, DMX512, FlexRay, Ethernet 10Base-T, USB 1.1, I²C, I²S, LIN, PS/2, SPI, SENT, UART/RS-232. Standard on all models. In fact I yesterday received 2408B and it's a little monster with its 128MB memory   :-+
And if you want a benchtop scope then GW Instek's GDS2000E series has protocol decoding as standard.

I agree with Mike. Nowadays protocol decoding should be standard on an oscilloscope.
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