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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2017, 08:34:44 am »
Well, it's a 100MHz scope, so pretty basic, an entry level model. Take the touchscreen out of a 3000 and whack it into a 2000, voila, new scope... My bet is still on something like this, but who knows?   :-//
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2017, 10:36:13 am »
I wish somebody would go the other way around and rebadge Keysight scopes. I know it's a silly thing to care about but seriously, "Keysight"? I can't help but cringe when I hear that name.

The demise of a brand name:

From High Performance (HP) to Agile Entertainment (Agilent)

From Agile Entertainment (Agilent) to Keystroking Sightlines (Keysight)
 

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Re: New 100MHz Keysight Scope 1st March 2017
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2017, 10:49:28 am »
I don't think people are grasping what this thread is about. It's not about the contest, Keysight have just said on their content website that they are releasing a NEW 100MHz scope on 1st March.
Usually news of a new scope gets the nerds in a frenzy  :scared:
Must be something in the air about March as I've heard of some other stuff coming out then too.  :)
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2017, 11:24:44 am »
New Siglent scopes or new Rigol scopes? :)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2017, 11:31:08 am »
New Siglent scopes or new Rigol scopes? :)

Rigol will steal Siglent's thunder by announcing something the week before the Siglent launch...?  :popcorn:

Let's hope so. The more the merrier, it's all good for users.

PS: Rigol promised us a new DS1000Z firmware at the end of this month. One day to go.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2017, 11:42:40 am »
Maybe the Z in the new Rigol series will no longer stand for Zorro, but for Zynq, if they decided to follow GW-Instek's hardware architecture built around a Zynq-7000 MPSoc! :)

That would be great! Finally a Zynq-7000 based scope that does not look like a toy! :)
 

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Re: New 100MHz Keysight Scope 1st March 2017
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2017, 12:49:28 pm »
I don't think people are grasping what this thread is about. It's not about the contest, Keysight have just said on their content website that they are releasing a NEW 100MHz scope on 1st March.
Usually news of a new scope gets the nerds in a frenzy  :scared:
Must be something in the air about March as I've heard of some other stuff coming out then too.  :)
Yeah - another big-name testgear manufacturer contacted me a while ago about some new gear coming out around then to see if I was interested in looking at it. Not heard anything back yet.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2017, 01:08:49 pm »
 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2017, 01:15:27 pm »
Is this the one?

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2189548.pdf

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2 GSa/s
Segmented memory   (and 1Mpts is not that small)
20-MHz function generator
(includes Bode plot test)
CAN, LIN - (DSOX1AUTO)

If it decoded from acquisition memory and not from screen it would be a total winner over a comparable siglent.

holding my breath for the manual and price but i think i'll grab a scope of the month leftover from ebay
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2017, 01:29:28 pm »
Is this the one?
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2189548.pdf

Oops.

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Display 7.0” diagonal color TFT LCD WVGA 9
9. Display can have a maximum of 5 total stuck bright or stuck dark sub pixels (0.000434%) without being regarded as a failure.

 :wtf: Is this the 1990's?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2017, 01:31:34 pm »
Oh wow. Well I guess let's see what the price is?

For a long time Keysight had the MSOX2024A on their eBay Shop as Premium Used with brand new warranty for only US$1,975.05.

And that has four channels. AND eight MSO channels. And et cetera.

So unless I'm missing something blindingly obvious this scope will have to be less than half that to be even remotely worth it.

But I guess that this is Keysight's last-hurrah for the MegaZoom IV architecture which they think they can clear their stock while trying to penetrate the education market?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2017, 01:34:57 pm »
That's not a badly specc'ed scope at all for a hobbyist/education/entry level instrument. I wonder what the pricing will be like? If it replaces the old 1000B series at similar cost they may have themselves a real winner.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2017, 01:35:03 pm »
First headline in the PDF: "Scrap the Toys, Get a Real Oscilloscope"  :popcorn:
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2017, 01:35:51 pm »
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Display 7.0” diagonal color TFT LCD WVGA 9
9. Display can have a maximum of 5 total stuck bright or stuck dark sub pixels (0.000434%) without being regarded as a failure.

 :wtf: Is this the 1990's?

Haha, I'm not sure which is more depressing; the resolution (or more precisely lack thereof) or what they regard as an actual panel failure.

Dell warranties my 2560x1440 panel the moment a single pixel is either stuck or dead.

Ugh.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2017, 01:37:00 pm »
If it's $650 as per the Rupee document then I don't think this will in any way dissuade those to buy the 1054Z. Memory depth looks low compared to the Rigol to me...
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2017, 01:40:27 pm »
Haha, I'm not sure which is more depressing; the resolution (or more precisely lack thereof)

The Megazoom IV ASIC is fixed to that display and waveform window size, they couldn't change it if they wanted to.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2017, 01:44:34 pm »
If it's $650 as per the Rupee document then I don't think this will in any way dissuade those to buy the 1054Z. Memory depth looks low compared to the Rigol to me...

I've honestly never found the memory depth to be too big an issue on the MSOX2024A, which is the same.

And Keysight's Segmented Memory works really well for most part.

I'd take 1Mpt memory with a super fluid and responsive UI versus 20Mpt memory with a UI which tries its best to make me stab myself in the eyes.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2017, 01:48:16 pm »
May not be what Keysight would like but maybe a shoot out between the two. Wink wink nudge nudge.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2017, 01:59:56 pm »
If it's $650 as per the Rupee document then I don't think this will in any way dissuade those to buy the 1054Z. Memory depth looks low compared to the Rigol to me...

And that would be $650 for the educational model (limited to 50 MHz without upgrade option, and probably limited to customers in the educational market). I would assume around $1000 for the 70 MHz "regular" model.

Decoders will cost extra. I came across a $170 price for the decoder option yesterday - also at the Farnell website, I believe, but can't retrieve it today.

EDIT: Found the decoder price, http://de.farnell.com/keysight-technologies/edux1embd/embedded-decodes-analysis-digital/dp/2706567. Again, that's the price for the educational version, which has a separate product code. Does $250 for the regular decoders sound about right?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2017, 02:15:36 pm »
Segmented memory   (and 1Mpts is not that small)

My old trusty Hameg Combiscope with CRT has 1Mpts. I think it's 9 or 10 years old. The InfiniiVision 1000 X seems to be intended as entry level DSO for education and hobbyists/makers, with a nice Keysight label. Universities might be interested but it's hard to compete with a DS1054Z. The big question is: how much does an 100MHz 1000 X including all software options cost?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2017, 02:21:49 pm »
I work (job, not hobby) with 2.5kpts on a tek and 48k on a picoscope. That's just fine.
Since the pico decode from acquisition memory (i.e. current buffer or all buffer on host computer) i don't have the need to acquire at a slow timebase then zoom in and hope it will be decoded and no data was lost during sampling. Zoom out, reach for new packet, zoom in, repeat (as i have to do on the rigol at home)

Less amount but segmented memory and proper decoding is what i need. Can decoding is a must. A proper user interface is also welcome.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2017, 02:25:34 pm »
The big question is: how much does an 100MHz 1000 X including all software options cost?

Based on what I posted above, I would say at least $1500 initial price tag. I could not find a price for the 70 to 100 MHz upgrade so far, but if we assume $1000 for the 70 MHz scope and $250 for the decoders, another $250 for the bandwidth upgrade might fit the bill? (Well, Keysight's bill that is, not mine...  ;))
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2017, 02:40:42 pm »
UK distributor Aspen currently shows £985 list for a DSOX2002A, the 2-channel 70MHz base model of the 2000X series. The 1000X series should be significantly less than this, though what with Brexit & all, the USD/GBP rate has worsened significantly (from our point of view) and who knows?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #74 on: January 30, 2017, 03:00:11 pm »
If it's $650 as per the Rupee document then I don't think this will in any way dissuade those to buy the 1054Z. Memory depth looks low compared to the Rigol to me...

Plus: 50MHz, only 2 channels and serial decoding is an option.

Oh well, Maybe next time.  :popcorn:

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