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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #600 on: March 10, 2017, 09:25:05 am »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #601 on: March 10, 2017, 09:31:53 am »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
Might the model # end in X-E ?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #602 on: March 10, 2017, 02:48:09 pm »
Manual: The fan draws air in from the left side and bottom of the oscilloscope and pushes it out behind the oscilloscope.

Mine's the opposite, sucking in air from behind and blowing it out the side and bottom. Fan installed backwards?

Wonder if that might be contributing to the noise...
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #603 on: March 10, 2017, 02:51:29 pm »
Manual: The fan draws air in from the left side and bottom of the oscilloscope and pushes it out behind the oscilloscope.

Mine's the opposite, sucking in air from behind and blowing it out the side and bottom. Fan installed backwards?

Wonder if that might be contributing to the noise...

That manual description must be wrong? Weird. The fan should be blowing air onto the heatsinks (blowing air into the oscilloscope), surely?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #604 on: March 10, 2017, 02:53:50 pm »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
anything us commoners will be able to know before 31st march? there is a certain, interesting promotion that ends that day and a place for an upper-low range scope on this bench  ::)
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #605 on: March 10, 2017, 03:01:14 pm »
Manual: The fan draws air in from the left side and bottom of the oscilloscope and pushes it out behind the oscilloscope.

Mine's the opposite, sucking in air from behind and blowing it out the side and bottom. Fan installed backwards?
Mine is that way as well.
As there is one inlet and one outlet I doubt it makes a lot of difference.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #606 on: March 10, 2017, 03:05:53 pm »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
anything us commoners will be able to know before 31st march? there is a certain, interesting promotion that ends that day and a place for an upper-low range scope on this bench  ::)
There is a new scope due out on March 14th, presumably to coincide with Embedded World. Don't know price category - I was promised one  "before release" but not heard anything from them for a couple of weeks.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #607 on: March 10, 2017, 04:45:57 pm »
Comparison between 1000X and 3000X - can't see any reason to limit it to 10 points. 1000x also seems very slow to produce so few results.
Looks like there is a limit on number of points per decade, not total points. Sweep from 20Hz to 20MHz looks quite smooth. I counted about 50 points.
This looks like it may actually be more of a bug, still not really usefule for anything but teaching.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #608 on: March 10, 2017, 05:19:41 pm »
Something else I've just noticed - not sure if this is a bug or a consequence of some hardware limitation.

Although you can set up SPI decode to frame using a clock timeout instead of needing CS, you still can't assign MOSI and MISO to different
channels, despite there being 3 inputs available, for clock, MOSI and MISO.

The fact that it displays decode lines for MISO and MOSI suggests to me that it is actually a bug. - Daniel ?

 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #609 on: March 10, 2017, 05:34:26 pm »
Something else I've just noticed - not sure if this is a bug or a consequence of some hardware limitation.

Although you can set up SPI decode to frame using a clock timeout instead of needing CS, you still can't assign MOSI and MISO to different
channels, despite there being 3 inputs available, for clock, MOSI and MISO.



Interesting, I'll take a look at that
 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #610 on: March 10, 2017, 05:36:05 pm »
Also, can confirm that the limit is currently on points-per-decade, not total points. I'm having ongoing discussions with R&D about getting the Bode Plot to a higher and more-useful level. Thank you all for the feedback!
 
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #611 on: March 10, 2017, 05:52:30 pm »
Something else I've just noticed - not sure if this is a bug or a consequence of some hardware limitation.

Although you can set up SPI decode to frame using a clock timeout instead of needing CS, you still can't assign MOSI and MISO to different
channels, despite there being 3 inputs available, for clock, MOSI and MISO.



Interesting, I'll take a look at that
Just played a bit more. I can't see any way in which the 2 seperate decode displays can ever display anything different.
It will not let you assign MOSI and MISO to different channels - changing one always sets the other to the same, even if there is a spare channel available.
There does not appear to be a constraint on which channels are used for what, simply that MOSI and MISO are always the same channel.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #612 on: March 10, 2017, 11:01:49 pm »
This is the reason i previously kept asking the question on and on. in the manual it is written that only CS can be assigned to digital channel (apparently not true) and that only miso or mosi could be selected. the second part seems to be true.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #613 on: March 11, 2017, 12:24:30 am »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
anything us commoners will be able to know before 31st march? there is a certain, interesting promotion that ends that day and a place for an upper-low range scope on this bench  ::)
There is a new scope due out on March 14th, presumably to coincide with Embedded World. Don't know price category - I was promised one  "before release" but not heard anything from them for a couple of weeks.

Same here.
Pricing is in the low 4 digit category (I don't know exact) for the mid March one (think Rigol 2000), 4 channel, 10 bit ADC, MSO, big high res touch screen. Looks impressive on paper, they are going to town with 5 different competitor comparison PDF's.
Curiously they even mention electronics hobbyists on the datsheet.

The other ones is Rigol 1054Z level pricing but has yet to be set.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #614 on: March 11, 2017, 01:20:36 am »
This is the reason i previously kept asking the question on and on. in the manual it is written that only CS can be assigned to digital channel (apparently not true) and that only miso or mosi could be selected. the second part seems to be true.
I couldn't see anywhere it says this, though it does say that MISO & MOSI display the same, which is true but an unnecessary limitation due to the clock timeout framing mode. 
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 The 2-channel DSOX1000-Series oscilloscopes support 3-wire SPI.
The MOSI and MISO signal settings are forced to be the same; essentially, you can probe one or the other.

Like the datasheet, the user manual makes no mention that EXT is a displayable digital channel - there isn't a single screenshot showing it.
I'm beginning to suspect maybe this was a feature they added at a fairly late stage and forgot to document
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #615 on: March 11, 2017, 01:50:17 am »
I'm beginning to suspect maybe this was a feature they added at a fairly late stage and forgot to document.

The documentation is missing so many things that I wonder if it was not completed.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #616 on: March 11, 2017, 02:10:25 am »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
anything us commoners will be able to know before 31st march? there is a certain, interesting promotion that ends that day and a place for an upper-low range scope on this bench  ::)
There is a new scope due out on March 14th, presumably to coincide with Embedded World. Don't know price category - I was promised one  "before release" but not heard anything from them for a couple of weeks.
Same here.
Pricing is in the low 4 digit category (I don't know exact) for the mid March one (think Rigol 2000), 4 channel, 10 bit ADC, MSO, big high res touch screen.
That sounds really interesting!  :popcorn:
Can you reveal more specs or do we really have to wait until next week?  :'(
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #617 on: March 11, 2017, 05:47:38 am »
Hopefully not a rigol. then i wouldn't care how appaling it is on paper
i can wait 3---- 4 days no problem  ;D
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #618 on: March 11, 2017, 06:17:23 am »
My English can be pretty bad, so suggestions are welcome. ;)
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #619 on: March 11, 2017, 06:20:25 am »
Hopefully not a rigol. then i wouldn't care how appaling it is on paper
i can wait 3---- 4 days no problem  ;D

If you have a few $K to spend (base model starts at under US$1900), then yes, I'd wait a few days...
It ain't no Rigol. They do a direct comparison with the Rigol 2000A
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #621 on: March 11, 2017, 06:34:32 am »
Yep, they will be there, but not one of those marked NEW.
:o Wow! It seem like Top Secret until 14 March.  :scared:
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #622 on: March 11, 2017, 07:41:35 am »
Yep, they will be there, but not one of those marked NEW.

Is it Keysight or R&S?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #623 on: March 11, 2017, 09:08:25 am »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
anything us commoners will be able to know before 31st march? there is a certain, interesting promotion that ends that day and a place for an upper-low range scope on this bench  ::)
There is a new scope due out on March 14th, presumably to coincide with Embedded World. Don't know price category - I was promised one  "before release" but not heard anything from them for a couple of weeks.

Same here.
Pricing is in the low 4 digit category (I don't know exact) for the mid March one (think Rigol 2000), 4 channel, 10 bit ADC, MSO, big high res touch screen. Looks impressive on paper, they are going to town with 5 different competitor comparison PDF's.
Curiously they even mention electronics hobbyists on the datsheet.

The other ones is Rigol 1054Z level pricing but has yet to be set.

Big screen and 10 bit ADC - sounds like a Lecroy ;)
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #624 on: March 11, 2017, 10:28:48 am »
March must be crazy scope release month.
I will have my hands on another new unreleased low end scope mid next week, and another middling range one is imminent too.
anything us commoners will be able to know before 31st march? there is a certain, interesting promotion that ends that day and a place for an upper-low range scope on this bench  ::)
There is a new scope due out on March 14th, presumably to coincide with Embedded World. Don't know price category - I was promised one  "before release" but not heard anything from them for a couple of weeks.

Same here.
Pricing is in the low 4 digit category (I don't know exact) for the mid March one (think Rigol 2000), 4 channel, 10 bit ADC, MSO, big high res touch screen. Looks impressive on paper, they are going to town with 5 different competitor comparison PDF's.
Curiously they even mention electronics hobbyists on the datsheet.

The other ones is Rigol 1054Z level pricing but has yet to be set.

Big screen and 10 bit ADC - sounds like a Lecroy ;)
Except:
Looks impressive on paper, they are going to town with 5 different competitor comparison PDF's.
Which has traditionally been the play sheet for Tektronix and Agilent/Keysight. Tek 2000/3000 are long in the tooth while Lecroy have the recent addition of the wave surfer 3000 in the $x000 market so Tek would be a solid bet or possibly Hameg/R&S but again they don't push comparisons with competitors.
 


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