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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2750 on: October 21, 2020, 07:52:47 pm »
Well I attempted the update and I'm moving into hour two of nothing happening.
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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2751 on: October 21, 2020, 08:14:47 pm »
Ooops scary shit, let us know how it turns out! I'll hold my update for a bit then...

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2752 on: October 21, 2020, 09:02:47 pm »
Yes, upps...  :-[
This week I have upgraded two RTB2004 (my private and the one at work) from 02.202 to 02.300, went very quick and without problems.
The FW updater looks to be safe, it seems to inspect and validate FW image (CRC check?) before doing actual update.
Hope you get it sorted!


 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2753 on: October 21, 2020, 09:50:33 pm »
 :popcorn: Yea, every other update went off without a hitch.  :-BROKE

Ok, I had a minute so I turned it off with the soft power button and turned it back on. Booted right into the firmware update page. Pressed update and it very quickly updated.  :-// At least it worked even if it decided to try and die on me. It's my favorite scope here so I'd be pretty disappointed.
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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2754 on: October 22, 2020, 03:44:06 pm »
I just wanted to update. I had sent a message to R&S through GLORIS and this morning a TSE got back to me advising rebooting and retrying the update via another method. Apparently another customer with an RTA had a similar issue of mid-update failure which recovered just fine. So seems like the power of 10 scopes are fairly good about failing at a point that doesn't brick the scope at least.
 

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« Reply #2755 on: October 22, 2020, 08:05:58 pm »
That's indeed a bit weird, but as long as the error is recoverable, I'm not too concerned. I'll try the update today.
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2756 on: October 22, 2020, 09:05:39 pm »
I did the update yesterday without any issues.
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2757 on: October 26, 2020, 03:03:48 am »
Hi,

I am pretty interested in the RTB2004. However, with several competitors offering hackable scopes, I don't think I am going to purchase one. That's probably the only blocker for me.

Is there any promotion that I am not aware of that allow removing the bandwidth limitation ?

This will truly be for non-profit / educational use. Can provide teaching/research credentials.

Thanks
 

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« Reply #2758 on: October 26, 2020, 04:18:40 am »
They have some new bundles launching soon but they still only have the base bandwidth.
 

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« Reply #2759 on: October 26, 2020, 04:50:32 am »
They have some new bundles launching soon but they still only have the base bandwidth.

Yeah I saw that and this is what I considered buying... if there was a way to also get the highest bandwidth.
Otherwise I'll go with Siglent  :-//

R&S is welcome to send me a PM should they want to help me find a solution.
 

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« Reply #2760 on: October 26, 2020, 05:16:02 am »
They have some new bundles launching soon but they still only have the base bandwidth.

Yeah I saw that and this is what I considered buying... if there was a way to also get the highest bandwidth.
Otherwise I'll go with Siglent  :-//

R&S is welcome to send me a PM should they want to help me find a solution.

Its still not at price parity, but TEquipment (and I think other places) have educational pricing for the RTB2004. The full package is discounted to ~ $3.2k. https://www.tequipment.net/Rohde-&-Schwarz/RTB2K-COM4/Mixed-Signal-Oscilloscopes-(MSO)/

Still not the best deal for a scope if you only look at the bandwidth per dollar, but I found the edu discount compelling enough to buy the scope and I have been very happy with it.

 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2761 on: October 26, 2020, 01:41:45 pm »
I'm happy with the 2.300 firmware update! It's mostly small things, but some are valuable to me.

Not in the least the ability to store screenshots in internal memory. This way, I no longer have to connect a USB hub to the front port to connect both a flash drive and a mouse (which I like to use on longer sessions).

Also the solved crash when loading data into the pattern generator is something I appreciate... Wanted to do several things that were restricted by this crash.

 
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« Reply #2762 on: October 31, 2020, 04:57:32 am »
They have some new bundles launching soon but they still only have the base bandwidth.

Yeah I saw that and this is what I considered buying... if there was a way to also get the highest bandwidth.
Otherwise I'll go with Siglent  :-//

R&S is welcome to send me a PM should they want to help me find a solution.

It looks like the thread on figuring out how it ticks has taken off in the last month. We'll have to see if anything happens there.
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2763 on: October 31, 2020, 04:59:31 am »
They have some new bundles launching soon but they still only have the base bandwidth.

Yeah I saw that and this is what I considered buying... if there was a way to also get the highest bandwidth.
Otherwise I'll go with Siglent  :-//

R&S is welcome to send me a PM should they want to help me find a solution.

Its still not at price parity, but TEquipment (and I think other places) have educational pricing for the RTB2004. The full package is discounted to ~ $3.2k. https://www.tequipment.net/Rohde-&-Schwarz/RTB2K-COM4/Mixed-Signal-Oscilloscopes-(MSO)/

Still not the best deal for a scope if you only look at the bandwidth per dollar, but I found the edu discount compelling enough to buy the scope and I have been very happy with it.

I definitely wouldn't buy that until the new bundles are listed. They have a discount built in plus the education discount will stack on top of it.
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2764 on: November 12, 2020, 07:23:46 pm »
Does anyone know an app for Win 10, which allows me to create arbitrary curves (csv file) for the RTB2000 ?
It would also be good if I could modify csv curves stored in RTB2000.

 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2765 on: November 12, 2020, 10:19:37 pm »
Does anyone know an app for Win 10, which allows me to create arbitrary curves (csv file) for the RTB2000 ?
It would also be good if I could modify csv curves stored in RTB2000.

.csv files can be usually created or edited in Excel or the LibreOffice equivalent.

Description of the .csv file format:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2766 on: November 13, 2020, 07:28:09 am »
Great, thanks
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2767 on: November 14, 2020, 06:57:18 am »
I just did the V 2.3 update.  All went well!
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2768 on: November 19, 2020, 09:27:55 am »
Thanks.

I have a question about the operation of the RTB2000 touch screen.
I use a stylus that I once bought for my cell phone.
It works fine for selecting menu items, but not for drawing and labeling.
When I draw a line it is interrupted in many places.
Does anyone know a good pen for the RTB touch screen ?

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2769 on: November 19, 2020, 12:42:23 pm »
Rich, I have these thoughts:

It would be nice to add the ability to arbitrarily change the color of the waveform in one of the next firmware updates. It is difficult for people with color perception to distinguish between yellow and green with low contrast relative to each other. This is especially true for 2-channel models. It is not for nothing that many oscilloscopes have yellow and cyan colors, which are easily distinguishable by everyone.

Max.
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2770 on: November 19, 2020, 05:12:59 pm »
Working on my RTB2004 yesterday, I suddenly realised there were a low pass filter and a high pass filter in the math functions! Pretty sure they were not there before (I updated the firmware to 2.300 a week ago or so)... But now they are there, and work as expected!

So, checked the manual. Indeed, the manual for firmware 2.2xx does not describe such filters, but the manual for firmware 2.300 does (in Sections 6.2.4 and 6.2.5). Strangely, the firmware release notes do not mention a thing about this.

(Hope this is not old news to you all, but at least I feel happy ;-)
 
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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2771 on: November 19, 2020, 08:31:22 pm »
It certainly is news to me, and I'm pretty sure I would have noticed by now if it had been in previous firmware! Not gonna complain about that addition (even though it is not particularly quick).

Rich, I have these thoughts:

It would be nice to add the ability to arbitrarily change the color of the waveform in one of the next firmware updates. It is difficult for people with color perception to distinguish between yellow and green with low contrast relative to each other. This is especially true for 2-channel models. It is not for nothing that many oscilloscopes have yellow and cyan colors, which are easily distinguishable by everyone.

Max.
I think this has been raised before; it's not important for me personally but given the control layout and RGB channel indicator LEDs it might be possible to do it in a very elegant way (albeit maybe with a control panel FW upgrade in addition to the mainboard FW).
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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2772 on: November 20, 2020, 02:15:46 am »
Oh, nice. The LPF and HPF used to be RTM exclusive.
 

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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2773 on: November 20, 2020, 07:41:12 am »
So they added filters in math CH. Those are very useful. It would be better if filters were in channel setup directly, so they don't take up math channels...
Lowly Micsig has filters in channels, and they are implemented in acquisition engine, so they don't slow down scope when working..
I wish more manufacturers would do it this way.
 
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Re: new killer scope in town - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #2774 on: November 20, 2020, 12:13:58 pm »
Thanks.

I have a question about the operation of the RTB2000 touch screen.
I use a stylus that I once bought for my cell phone.
It works fine for selecting menu items, but not for drawing and labeling.
When I draw a line it is interrupted in many places.
Does anyone know a good pen for the RTB touch screen ?

br,
Frank



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