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Hm, no real math? I see 4 wfm math operations in manual: +-*/
Positioned as high end EDU scope... is +-*/ all they teach in schools nowdays?  :-DD
 

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Talking about contests here, this new R&S scope at least wins one price: Ugliest scope of the century :)
For you they'll include this tea-cozy to cover the scope when not in use:
:-DD
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From datasheet, looks like two decodes, but UART TX and RX count as 1 each, as do MISO/MOSI unlike  MSOX3000 which will do TX+RX as only one of the 2 available decodes
 
Not entirely clear of segmented is an option - they mention "history" feature but can't tell if this is another name for segmented or something more.

No sign of Nth edge burst trigger  :--
2- channel XYY mode - not sure I can think of a use for it but could do some nice demos..
UART decode user baudrate up to 32Mbaud  :-+
SPI decode up to 32 bits  :-+ DSOX1000 only does 16 ( can't remember of MSOX3000 does more)

Colour "rainbow" intensity display looks interesting.
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The $750 I saved up won't cut it, not even close! Maybe next time Rohde &S.
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Option pricing at Farnell
Wavegen GBP609.
MSO GBP609
I2C+SPI £418
UART £418
History + Segmented  £609  :scared: :scared:

Unless there are some good promos,   ( or other approaches  ;) ) these seem WAY overpriced.


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Wfms/s found to be 50,000
But some questions still:
Trigger rearm time?
Trigger rearm time, when offloading to segmented memory?
FFT points?
 

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 :wtf: For less than the price of the options alone you can buy a GW Instek MSO2204 which offers more functionality.
So yeah, unless you can hack the 70MHz base model into a fully optioned 300MHz one this scope is definitely doomed.
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Will you sue Dave if he/someone here attempts to hack it? Or is R&S presence to somehow make the while situation less uneasy? Looks like a nice scope but this price deflation isn't happening, which is a shame.
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Hello folks - R&S is launching a new MSOX game changer

 :-DD
 

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For you they'll include this tea-cozy to cover the scope when not in use:

https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/product/rtb2000-options_63490-266306.html
R&S®RTB-Z3
Order No. 1333.1734.02
Soft Bag

 

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Nice.

but, do we have an idea on how much is it for the options? i remember seing crazy numbers for some R&S scopes..
i.e: 70 MHz (can upgrade bandwidth later)
Common decodes + automotive.
how much?

edit:uh, i spoke too soon. Only saw first page
seems that i wasn't becoming crazy at remembering 600€ per single decode options on some R&S scopes
jesus christ.

is this the 10 bit resolution, big screen one? too bad, it looked soo nice on paper.
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I like the look of the annotation feature, great use of a touch screen.

I was supposed to be getting one too, didn't happen.


 

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ROHDE & SCHWARZ  RTB2002/RTB-B1 (RTB2K-72M)  Oscilloscope, RTB2000 Series, 2 Analogue, 16 Digital, 70 MHz, 1.25 GSPS, 10 Mpts, 5 ns

English info
http://au.element14.com/rohde-schwarz/rtb2002-rtb-b1-rtb2k-72m/digital-storage-osc-70mhz-2-ch/dp/2723108

at a mere AUS$2,766.11 get one tomorrow  8)
 

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I like the look of the annotation feature, great use of a touch screen.

I was supposed to be getting one too, didn't happen.
Hi Dave - I'll check on yours too.  Likely got caught up in the same issue Mike's did.

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Rohde & Schwarz RTB-PK1.02 Application Bundle for RTB2000 Series
Contains RTB-K1.02 (serial trigger and decoding I2C), RTB-K2.02 (SPI,UART/RS323), RTB-K3.02 (CAN/LIN), RTB-K15.02 (History and Segment Memory), RTB-B6.02 (ARB Generator) (1333.1092.02)
US$1260 (GBP1001 at Farnell).
Blatant copy of Keysight's app bundle. If you can use a reasonable proportion of them, rather better value.
The stupid thing is that if they'd price the individual ones more reasonably (e.g. as per DSOX1102) I'm sure they'd sell a lot more and possibly make more overall.
The other stupid thing is why are they even bothering to sell non-physical items through distribution. They could do them online cheaper by cutting out the middle man.


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Too expensive anyhow!

I hope that Rigol comes with a new affordable model that includes hardware decoding.
 

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Dunno what you guys are on about with it being ugly. I like it! It's a handsome chap.
 

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Re: new killer scope - a true game changer from R&S - RTB2002 & RTB2004
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2017, 11:12:05 am »
with gesture control ...
For some reason I'm reminded of Bob Widlar...  What would you want a scope to do in response to this gesture?


Or Billy Connoly!
 

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I wonder what exactly this means -
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Special display mode
inverse brightness, waveform color modes for analog channels (temperature, fire, rainbow)
Considering the lack of screenshots I'm beginning to doubt it means the use of colour to extend teh dynamic range of intensity grading as I think they do on their higher end models.

Also noticed 1mv/div without bandwidth limitation.

All in all it looks like pretty serious competition for the DSOX2000 in particular, though Keysight could easily drop prices and throw in options if they wanted.

But killer/game-changer ?  We'll see....
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I wonder what exactly this means -
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Special display mode
inverse brightness, waveform color modes for analog channels (temperature, fire, rainbow)
Considering the lack of screenshots I'm beginning to doubt it means the use of colour to extend teh dynamic range of intensity grading as I think they do on their higher end models.
Describing the different color maps means its probably the false color style display for eye diagrams, a very welcome feature to make intensity graded displays clearer.

Hello folks - R&S is launching a new MSOX game changer
:-DD
They also seemed to know a lot of details ahead of everyone else, probably an undeclared interest there.
 

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But killer/game-changer ?  We'll see....
I don't think so. Feature and pricewise the RTB2000 is on par with Lecroy's Wavesurfer 3000 which has been out for a couple of years already. The only important thing the Wavesurfer 3000 doesn't have is peak detect.
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I wonder what exactly this means -
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Special display mode
inverse brightness, waveform color modes for analog channels (temperature, fire, rainbow)
Considering the lack of screenshots I'm beginning to doubt it means the use of colour to extend teh dynamic range of intensity grading as I think they do on their higher end models.
Describing the different color maps means its probably the false color style display for eye diagrams, a very welcome feature to make intensity graded displays clearer.
That's what I'd have hoped, but as it would be such good eye-candy, why are they not showing it in the datasheet or brochure ?
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No builtin 50 ohm termination does kind of suck.
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No builtin 50 ohm termination does kind of suck.
I'd sooner have auto probe sensing
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