New MHO1 Micsig 12-bit portable Oscillioscope with DMM [MHO14-100 & MHO14-200]

[2N3055]

Why are you comparing it to STO1104C ?
STO1104C had only 28MPts of memory, for instance. Claimed Wfms/s could be achieved only in special settings.

Also I don't see this scope as a replacement for STO1104C. That would be new versions STO1004 and STO2002.

I actually was comparing it to the STO1004, which has the 130.000w/s, and is specified as their "GEN 4". Tbh, i dont know how long that has been on the market, but since with the MHO1 we are at "GEN 6" i assume it has been out for quite some time now.

Oh I see. Someone did put a link to STO1104C. My misunderstanding on that. Sorry.

But my other comments still stand. I see this as a different segment product, not to be compared to STO range.
Everybody seems to think that all scopes should do everything.
If this scope has DMM inside it is a "scopemeter" type of product.
It is literally new class, in parallel to other types Micsig does.
On which different types of priorities would have driven design decisions.

For scopemeter, I would optimize for low power consumption, not speed, for instance.

[S13]

Havent heard or seen much around this scope the last weeks. But a chinese review popped up somewhere:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nswxezEZe

Have no clue what they are saying, but the demonstration gives you a rough idea of what to expect.

[DaneLaw]

Havent heard or seen much around this scope the last weeks. But a chinese review popped up somewhere:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nswxezEZe

Have no clue what they are saying, but the demonstration gives you a rough idea of what to expect.

Thx' Certainly gives a good indication of the very similar UI but with some long-awaited added benefits.
Seems the bootup time is around 47 sec. to the scope is loaded.. if I recall correctly the older models were also around that... it's mainly Rigols.. that are way past +1 minute on their latest fleet..
At least on the sig-gen I got, which is like +65 sec and also seems to be the timeframe on their latest scopes.

Not to fond of Micsig's new UI colorscheme with black & cyan highlight but it seems to be quite common acroos their models...I dont know if the user can change it in settings?
Personally prefer the older denim-dark blue UI theme, -
From the posted billi-video, it seems the UI is holding a huge area of the right-side up for no good' and the waveform starts like 2cm in, same with the bottom with around a cm to the waveform window starts, I get that it's likely intended to display some added text and values but it also makes the waveform area smaller for your precious bits..

A shame. as that is one of the things I'm not fond of on Rigol's UI that secondaries, bezels and their corresponding window, constrain so much of the actual waveform area, not least on bench scopes that already have relatively small screens ... Instead, they should maximize the waveform display and ideally provide the option to hide unnecessary info bars & UI elements when not needed. However, this is obviously easier said than done on digital oscilloscopes due to the crucial pixel mapping to their raster grid.

// Checked an older vid.. the bootup time on the older models like STOxxxxC/E is around 37sec, though when first arrived,  it was faster to boot and down around 30 sec. (if I recall correctly) but apps & data on the scope. like all the office programs, so you can work with the scope-data in various office programs on the scope itself... graphs, arb waveform values etc.. slowed it down a tad, so now it's more like 35 to 37 sec. before the scope aspect are ready, I don't know if its the same on newer models.

Bootup time

Examples of Misig's previous UI scheme, but it likely comes down to taste.

[S13]

Thank you for that comparison DaneLaw.
To be honest i dont mind the colorscheme, i think it looks ok. But yeah, the large bezels on the side of the graphing area is wasteful.

Boot time is not great. If you are out in the field making a quick measurement, waiting for almost a minute is a long time...

I still wonder what price range they are targeting for this scope. The reviewer seemed to make a comparison with the Rigol DHO804 and the Siglent SDS804X HD, so maybe it is in that ~€500,- price range?

[S13]

In the video at 29:20 where the reviewer is doing the bandwidth measurement, i noticed that the waveform seems a bit jittery on screen. Even at just 20MHz sine input. I wonder how stable the edge level triggering of the scope is. I know this is something that lower end scopes just suffer from, but it kind of annoys me if a scope cant even show a stable waveform on screen.
Could also be a clocking architecture limitation i suppose.

[S13]

The micsig website now also mentions the 100MHz version
https://www.micsig.com/MHO1/

MHO14-100 : 100MHz, 4chan, 1GSa/s, 3.5ns rt, 110Mpt
MHO14-200 : 200MHz, 4chan, 1GSa/s, 1.75ns rt, 110Mpt

Still nothing about pricing or availability...

[Demon Xanth]

For what it's worth, a search came up with these:
https://www.linktronix.ch/en/oscilloscopes/micsig-high-resolution-12-bit-series
E 776.50 for 200MHz
E 719.00 for 100MHz

[S13]

And those prices are ex tax. So you are looking at E924.05 for the 200MHz version and E855.60 for the 100MHz.
That is actually a bit more than i was expecting...
 

[S13]

And is it just me, or have all Micsig prices been going up lately?
For example, the Micsig CP2100A current probe, bought it end 2023 for E270,- now available for E361.79. That is a 34% rise for the same product in just a little over a year??

Even the Micsig STO1004 scope is now going for E688.49 in europe. I cant remember exactly, but i thought this used to be a E580-ish scope?

[egonotto]

And is it just me, or have all Micsig prices been going up lately?
For example, the Micsig CP2100A current probe, bought it end 2023 for E270,- now available for E361.79. That is a 34% rise for the same product in just a little over a year??

Even the Micsig STO1004 scope is now going for E688.49 in europe. I cant remember exactly, but i thought this used to be a E580-ish scope?

Hello,

Yes, Micsig prices have been very unstable recently. This was particularly bad with the MHO6. At the beginning MHO68-350 was 5999 € without VAT, then it gradually became more expensive until it now costs 13999 €.
At evision, the MHO68-350 costs only €9,518.81 with VAT. They've had this mistake for a long time.
With the MHO3, the difference between different bandwidths has changed. A year ago the difference was 1000 € each. Batronix calls for € 2,299 for the MHO3-2504, at Micsig Germany it is € 1,850.00 without VAT.

Best regards
egonotto

[S13]

My local distributor here in the Netherlands was kind enough to inform me of their prices for the MHO14-100 and MHO14-200. Thankfully they can offer a slightly better deal.

MHO14-100: €639,00 excl. VAT
MHO14-200: €699,00 excl. VAT

So that would be €773.19 and €845.79 incl VAT respectively here in the Netherlands. This is more in line with what i was expecting tbh.
First models are expected to be in stock by the end of April.

Yes, Micsig prices have been very unstable recently. This was particularly bad with the MHO6. At the beginning MHO68-350 was 5999 € without VAT, then it gradually became more expensive until it now costs 13999 €.

Wow, i guess Micsig is looking to boost their profit margins. Or maybe there is just a lack of dealer competition for these high end models, so they can charge whatever they want?

[egonotto]

Hello,

Batronix has now listed the Micsig MHO1. However, delivery will still take 41 to 60 days.

Micsig MHO14-100  € 760,41 incl. 19% VAT
Micsig MHO14-200  € 831,81 incl. 19% VAT

Best regards
egonotto

[macegr]

I ordered this from Saelig a few weeks ago but it also wasn't ready. Unfortunately I am in the USA and it looks like I might have to 2x to 3x the cost due to Micsig delays interfering with tariff deadlines.

[DaneLaw]

I ordered this from Saelig a few weeks ago but it also wasn't ready. Unfortunately I am in the USA and it looks like I might have to 2x to 3x the cost due to Micsig delays interfering with tariff deadlines.

Its all around, not just individual products, most of the USA regional production are based around Chinese components, so it's all up in the air, how this fish is gonna land.
They need to find common ground, as the USA is simply not in a position where you can just persona_non_grata China from one day to the other.. USA is so entangled with China.. I think Trump is gonna cave in, also in regards to China, and find some middle ground.
USA got the same problems like so many countries here in the west, that are killing regional jobs like there are no tomorrow, and outsourcing to the Far East and low wage countries to optimise profit.
- it goes without saying that ain't sustainable in the long run.

I hedge and speculate in stocks and tend to like voltality, but it ain't the stock market that is setting the pace and create the pressure, but the bond market, and why Trump had to fold, with his "extension to the rest of the world" as foreign players were drastically dumping US bonds, not least Asia that is one of the biggest holders of US bonds.
When you're selling state bonds.. You display your faith in the "future" of those state bonds. Are severely diminished, and not the safe haven to store & derisk value..
But who wouldn't, with such a display of a one-man-regime, got a mentality like a spoiled, entitled, spiteful child, that has never been told no.

Have you tried to ask Saelig..if their orders with Micsig are from past tense, as some companies do make orders before actual delivery but I don't know how Trump tariff are implemented in practice..

//
It does not look like it (at least for new orders) as Saelig now lists the MHO14-100 price at almost 1600$ https://www.saelig.com/product/mho14-100.htm 
- while a brief frontpage-search on their site. claim 700$ (likely the older price)


To put that into perspective..
In England it's 707$ in total for a given MHO14-100 (595GBP incl. VAT)


Denmark it's 904$ in total MHO14-100 (800€ incl. danish EUVAT) 


That's quite something... higher prices than even here in Denmark. which is the most expensive country by far in EU with 150% above the EU-average, though the wages is also high..

[ptluis]

Definitely Trump is making America and the world great again...  in distance....

[abeyer]

Hadn't seen any updates anywhere else yet, despite the previous date coming and going... But now it looks like Batronix has updated their pages the last few days and is saying another 60-90 days, so assume that micsig is still behind getting inventory out. Kills any chance of getting an express shipment out before the worst of the tariff nonsense kicks in, though, and the price point becomes just silly with them factored in.  :'(

[S13]

Did i just spot Dave gazing at the new MHO1??
https://youtu.be/zhnhfhyt6Sk?si=xvJdJOQTBUsivPVg&t=1243

[EEVblog]

Did i just spot Dave gazing at the new MHO1??
https://youtu.be/zhnhfhyt6Sk?si=xvJdJOQTBUsivPVg&t=1243

Yep. Unfortunately didn't get time to go back and check it out. I hadn't seen this thread. Looks very cool.

[Wirehead]

Did i just spot Dave gazing at the new MHO1??
https://youtu.be/zhnhfhyt6Sk?si=xvJdJOQTBUsivPVg&t=1243

Yep. Unfortunately didn't get time to go back and check it out. I hadn't seen this thread. Looks very cool.

Saw it in the video as well - hopefully some reviews pop-up, quite interested, but not going to play guinea-pig 

[Sorama]

This morning I requested availability at Micsig (by mail).

Less than an hour later I got feedback from them (with a German distributor in cc):
'yes, we have!'

Still don't know how that answers my question when there will be availability ...

anyway, will probably end up buying one.
(like in for sure)

[jjoonathan]

I asked for USA availability and they said "late June." Tariff pause ends July 9. How exciting!

[abeyer]

I asked for USA availability and they said "late June." Tariff pause ends July 9. How exciting!

At least the first time around, before the delay, it looked like Europe was going to get them sooner than US... I was considering paying the shipping from there rather than risk the tariffs. Though not sure if that's still true or not.

[Sorama]

I asked for USA availability and they said "late June." Tariff pause ends July 9. How exciting!

At least the first time around, before the delay, it looked like Europe was going to get them sooner than US...

We are: end of May.
(According to a distributor)

[0xdeadbeef]

Sure looks nice for a portable scope that is still usable. I actually love the form factor (front BNCs) even though I could have lived without the multimeter part. E.g. I wonder how easy it will be to exchange fuses for the current ranges. Also the technical specs look OK for this price range.
It would have been nice if they had at least kept the automatic probe detection, though. I also can't shake the feeling that too much space on the screen is used for touch controls and it would have been possible to reduce that a bit to have more space for the signals. What also puzzles me is that the intensity grading on the available screenshots doesn't really look state of the art.
Anyway, I'm looking forward for a first review, Hopefully in the next weeks.

[DaneLaw]

What also puzzles me is that the intensity grading on the available screenshots doesn't really look state of the art.

Are you referring to the second Saelig picture in #38
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-mho1-micsig-12-bit-portable-oscillioscope-with-dmm/?action=dlattach;attach=2544276;image

I reckon it's the standard 256 levels of intensity grading that are implemented that Micsig has been using for quite a few years..