NEW Next Gen 2 Series Tektronix Oscilloscope

[tggzzz]

Doesn't "next gen" imply gesture or voice control using ML?

Can you imagine how annoying voice control would be in a lab with a bunch of other techs or a quite cubicle farm? Especially if you had several other scopes nearby.

I think it would be mostly offended at the language based on the labs I've worked in if it had that feature.

"Press the red tit" "No, this scope not that scope, you tit". But that would need gesture recognition too.

[EEVblog]

It would be idiotic to make it so thin that it requires an external power supply. This isn't a TV set that needs to appeal to aesthetically minded housewives, it's a tool for professional engineers.

So why make it thin? It's obviously going to be less stable that way.
We'll see when it's released. 

Depends how you do it 

[EEVblog]

When one rises, one must also fall. Guess which scope model this is going to replace...

[KrzysztofB]

Something 3-series-ish. Similar price range, maybe even cheaper. That's my bet.

[tggzzz]

When one rises, one must also fall. Guess which scope model this is going to replace...

Have any scopes been on special offer at Tek recently? That's usually a good hint.

[KrzysztofB]

There was very good deal on 3 Series MDO - expired 1 April 2022. You could save like 61% 
I'm pissed we missed that one, you could get almost fully loaded 350MHz for a price of 200MHz

[salviador]

I wonder if it will have a faster processor than their series 3 and 4. In my evaluations in 2019 (and later re-confirmed by their FAE earlier this year), the GUI of these two series still take quite a penalty with anything else put on screen, such as FFT, decoding, etc.

Thats still true. Even moving cursors with the knob is annoyingly slow at 4 Series. Really nice concept and functionality of the scope but somehow ruined by the lagging GUI and poor responsiveness.

Yes confirm, I have the 4 series, it is extremely slow. And remote web control is impossible to use

[KrzysztofB]

Yes confirm, I have the 4 series, it is extremely slow. And remote web control is impossible to use

God damn. And I was planning to get 4 series for our lab as I was thinking my RTB2004 is laggy 

[EEVblog]

I wonder if it will have a faster processor than their series 3 and 4. In my evaluations in 2019 (and later re-confirmed by their FAE earlier this year), the GUI of these two series still take quite a penalty with anything else put on screen, such as FFT, decoding, etc.

Thats still true. Even moving cursors with the knob is annoyingly slow at 4 Series. Really nice concept and functionality of the scope but somehow ruined by the lagging GUI and poor responsiveness.

Yes confirm, I have the 4 series, it is extremely slow. And remote web control is impossible to use

I don't have a 4 series to comfirm. I presume the 3 series would be the same as the 4? I haven't really used any of the new 3/4/5/6 series.
What's the thing(s) that slow it down the most?

[EEVblog]

Something 3-series-ish. Similar price range, maybe even cheaper. That's my bet.

Previous speculation:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-tektronix-3-series-mdo/msg2570811/#msg2570811

[rsjsouza]

I wonder if it will have a faster processor than their series 3 and 4. In my evaluations in 2019 (and later re-confirmed by their FAE earlier this year), the GUI of these two series still take quite a penalty with anything else put on screen, such as FFT, decoding, etc.

Thats still true. Even moving cursors with the knob is annoyingly slow at 4 Series. Really nice concept and functionality of the scope but somehow ruined by the lagging GUI and poor responsiveness.

Yes confirm, I have the 4 series, it is extremely slow. And remote web control is impossible to use

I don't have a 4 series to comfirm. I presume the 3 series would be the same as the 4? I haven't really used any of the new 3/4/5/6 series.
What's the thing(s) that slow it down the most?

In my evaluation, using simple measurements already had a palpable penalty, but still quite workable. Adding decoding or any processing like FFT (I don't recall if I tested simple math) brought such a drag to responsiveness that it severely handicapped usability. Think of a PC with mechanical drive and low memory, where the intense disk swap makes mundane actions such as accessing a menu or closing a window to take several seconds to react to the mouse click while the operation itself executes in a somewhat jagged slow motion.

I think they created the 6 series and started chopping off memory and processor power to create the product segmentation. In my experience they either did not test well their products, did not listen to feedback (common in product dev) or had a bunch of yes men in the room that thought the Tek brand would carry such flaws.

A lost opportunity indeed.

[Domitronic]

Afaik 5 and 6 series have different processors. For those a Windows option is also available while its not for 3 and 4.

I guess for 3 and 4 some older hardware is reused which is not really capable for todays expectations to a GUI.

Series 3 had a special offer for more than a year. You could get the MDO34 with 350MHz and almost all options for 5-6k€ plus tax. But thats not available anymore.

[salviador]

Tek 4 has a cpu "AM5728 Sitara"

[rsjsouza]

Afaik 5 and 6 series have different processors. For those a Windows option is also available while its not for 3 and 4.

Tek 4 has a cpu "AM5728 Sitara"

Interesting. Indeed I had forgotten this difference, which was well advertised at the time.

The AM5728 is a reasonably capable multicore processor that runs Linux but it is limited to 2GB of RAM, which might explain the delays (disk swapping perhaps). 

[salviador]

Afaik 5 and 6 series have different processors. For those a Windows option is also available while its not for 3 and 4.

Tek 4 has a cpu "AM5728 Sitara"

Interesting. Indeed I had forgotten this difference, which was well advertised at the time.

The AM5728 is a reasonably capable multicore processor that runs Linux but it is limited to 2GB of RAM, which might explain the delays (disk swapping perhaps).

I don't think the problem is the RAM

I did a test, when the oscilloscope is running I have the CPU that runs at 98% and heats up to 80 °

I run the "top" command from the terminal

[bd139]

Ah the problem be software engineers then. As always 

[rsjsouza]

Ah the problem be software engineers then. As always 

The neverending rivalry...

[EEVblog]

And remote web control is impossible to use

It's pretty slick

[Fungus]

And remote web control is impossible to use

It's pretty slick

Let's see how "next gen" it is compared to...



If it can't browse EEVBLOG forums then I'm not convinced. 

[Stranger_danger]

it has batteries. think of it as a low bandwidth hand held scope.

[EEVblog]

And remote web control is impossible to use

It's pretty slick

Let's see how "next gen" it is compared to...



If it can't browse EEVBLOG forums then I'm not convinced. 

That music 

Real scopes don't have web browsers.

[EEVblog]

It's pretty schmick.

[w2aew]

It's pretty schmick.

LOL!

All I can say about this new product is...   Xx xx xxx xx xxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxx xxxx x'xx xxxx xx x xxxx xxxx. 
(Sorry, all comments are redacted until June 7/8)

[Jeff eelcr]

If its too light just add lead weight to the base.
Jeff   

[Fungus]

Real scopes don't have web browsers.

You can read datasheets on it.