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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2022, 11:20:08 pm »
Doesn't matter. The point is that extra features that may not be strongly related to the core function of a piece of test equipment can be useful to some people. It is foolish to dismiss such features.

Not if your goal is to focus on what matters in a core product.
When you do product research with customers (which they did) you'll get literally every suggestion including the kitchen sink.
The art is deciding what's really important and what you should focus on.
Not quite; if you get features for free from the platform (OS) the oscilloscope is built on, it is less work to keep them available rather than blocking them. MicSig leveraged using Android to allow reading PDFs and browse web pages. The same with Windows based test equipment. Networking, running applications, printing support, etc comes for free. IOW: the extra features are just gravy on top that need no development effort.

As someone else pointed out, the 3 and 4 series don't have this capability, probably deliberately, and the 5 & 6 series have Windows only as an option.
No surprises that the 2 series doesn't have it either.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2022, 11:22:24 pm »
Back in the analog days Tektronix was clearly the leader in oscilloscope design. But since the transition to digital and the corporate buy out they have IMHO fallen to about the bottom of the pack. hp-Agilent-Keysight has clearly weathered that corporate upheaval in a much more secure position. If I were in the market for a high dollar DSO (I'm not) I don't think Tek would even appear on my list of choices.

Tek absolutely pioneered the modern digital scope era with the TDS200 series that dominated for probably a decade, and even still commands a decent price the days used. They set the standard for real time sample rate "analog like" digital oscilloscopes.
 
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2022, 11:26:39 pm »
What are Tektronix scopes like nowadays? Why should I buy them as a non-hobbyist? What are their advantages against Keysight, LeCroy or Rohde&Schwarz?
I wonder what series is to be replaced by the Next Gen Tek scope... https://www.tek.com/en/products/oscilloscopes

It's not hard to guess.
The MSO2000 was released in 2008
https://www.coleparmer.in/press-release/new-tektronix-dpo-mso2000-series-oscilloscopes-now-available-from-davis-instruments
The TBS series are pretty new and fill a very specific niche educational market.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2022, 11:33:45 pm »
Back in the analog days Tektronix was clearly the leader in oscilloscope design. But since the transition to digital and the corporate buy out they have IMHO fallen to about the bottom of the pack. hp-Agilent-Keysight has clearly weathered that corporate upheaval in a much more secure position. If I were in the market for a high dollar DSO (I'm not) I don't think Tek would even appear on my list of choices.
DSO yes, but Tek still has some pretty good instruments that are well worth buying. For example their function generators, frequency counters and bench DMMs.

What does Keysight have that matches the 8 channel Tek 5 & 6 series?
They don't even have a 6 channel to match the 4 series.
If you need more than 4 channels, you can also look at Yokogawa. The world doesn't end at Keysight.

But that wasn't the point of what med6753 and I wrote. For a general purpose DSO Tek just doesn't seem to receive a lot of love due to slow & sloppy UI on their higher end models. I have an AFG31000 waveform generator from Tektronix and while the functionality is rock solid, the UI could use some polishing. OTOH the TBS2000 series scope I use every now and then is fine for what it can do. If the new '2' series builds on the TBS2000 then it could be quite good.
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2022, 11:43:58 pm »
Back in the analog days Tektronix was clearly the leader in oscilloscope design. But since the transition to digital and the corporate buy out they have IMHO fallen to about the bottom of the pack. hp-Agilent-Keysight has clearly weathered that corporate upheaval in a much more secure position. If I were in the market for a high dollar DSO (I'm not) I don't think Tek would even appear on my list of choices.
DSO yes, but Tek still has some pretty good instruments that are well worth buying. For example their function generators, frequency counters and bench DMMs.

What does Keysight have that matches the 8 channel Tek 5 & 6 series?
They don't even have a 6 channel to match the 4 series.
If you need more than 4 channels, you can also look at Yokogawa. The world doesn't end at Keysight.

I forgot that Keysight have the EXR and MXR series for 8 channels.

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But that wasn't the point of what med6753 and I wrote. For a general purpose DSO Tek just doesn't seem to receive a lot of love due to slow & sloppy UI.

Correct. They bet on new features over everyday performance and they lost the everyday use scope market. But they still probably do a sell a lot of them at a premium price.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #130 on: May 23, 2022, 12:24:09 am »
I forgot that Keysight have the EXR and MXR series for 8 channels.
That market may come under some pressure soon with 8ch SDS6000L headless units that can be networked for 512 analog channels total.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds6000l-2ghz-12bit-8-ch-(china-only)/
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #131 on: May 23, 2022, 01:00:57 am »
I forgot that Keysight have the EXR and MXR series for 8 channels.
That market may come under some pressure soon with 8ch SDS6000L headless units that can be networked for 512 analog channels total.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds6000l-2ghz-12bit-8-ch-(china-only)/

Impressive.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #132 on: May 23, 2022, 07:59:53 am »
I forgot that Keysight have the EXR and MXR series for 8 channels.
That market may come under some pressure soon with 8ch SDS6000L headless units that can be networked for 512 analog channels total.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds6000l-2ghz-12bit-8-ch-(china-only)/

Impressive.
Quite so although if development follows what was SDS6000 Pro that we only know in the west as SDS6000A it might a while yet before we see a SDS6000L variant in the west.
Their constant innovation must have the A brands wondering what they'll come up with next.
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #133 on: May 23, 2022, 02:40:29 pm »
Does the SDS6000L use LeCroy's 12 bit converters?
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #134 on: May 23, 2022, 09:00:19 pm »
Does the SDS6000L use LeCroy's 12 bit converters?
Sorry don't know for sure but I expect so just like the SDS6000 Pro that we only see in the west as a 8 bit 6kA with 5 bits of Hi-Res instead of 3 bits of ERES that all other SDS models use and some ESR sampling magic that we haven't seen before either.

I'll go sniffing as to when a western release is likely and maybe update the 6kL thread.
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #135 on: May 23, 2022, 09:58:35 pm »
Here's a bigger picture I pulled off the datasheet.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #136 on: May 23, 2022, 10:08:11 pm »
Here's a bigger picture I pulled off the datasheet.
Welcome to the forum.

What is the screen size please ?
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #137 on: May 23, 2022, 10:49:36 pm »
Looks like they tried to copy Apple but were drunk  :o
 
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #138 on: May 23, 2022, 10:53:16 pm »
Looks like they tried to copy Apple but were drunk  :o
It's the new/old thing....multiple analysis windows.
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #139 on: May 23, 2022, 10:55:46 pm »
That thing doesn't tip over? Better attach some cables to it before use!
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #140 on: May 23, 2022, 11:05:14 pm »
Display
• 10.1-inch TFT color
• WXGA (1280 x 800) resolution
• Capacitive (multi-touch) touchscreen

Bandwidth
70 MHz, 100 MHz, 200 MHz, 350 MHz, and 500 MHz

Sample rate
• 2.5 GS/s Half channels
• 1.25 GS/s All channels
Record length
10 M points per channel
Vertical resolution
• 8 bits ADC
• Up to 16 bits in high-resolution mode
 
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #141 on: May 23, 2022, 11:45:05 pm »
Looks like the cat's well and truly out of the bag.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #142 on: May 23, 2022, 11:49:47 pm »
That thing doesn't tip over? Better attach some cables to it before use!

Nope, the stand is actually one of the most impressive things.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #143 on: May 23, 2022, 11:54:40 pm »
That thing doesn't tip over? Better attach some cables to it before use!

Nope, the stand is actually one of the most impressive things.

Why???
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #144 on: May 23, 2022, 11:58:24 pm »
That thing doesn't tip over? Better attach some cables to it before use!

Nope, the stand is actually one of the most impressive things.
Is the tilt adjustable Dave ?
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #145 on: May 24, 2022, 12:00:34 am »
That thing doesn't tip over? Better attach some cables to it before use!

Nope, the stand is actually one of the most impressive things.
Is the tilt adjustable Dave ?

Does the base have velcro or a suction cup so you can press the screen or put probes into it without chasing it across the bench?  :-//
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #146 on: May 24, 2022, 12:01:08 am »
That thing doesn't tip over? Better attach some cables to it before use!

Nope, the stand is actually one of the most impressive things.

Why???
They've kept the BNCs very low on the unit, so they won't create much torque to tip the unit over. It seems odd they didn't keep the LAN socket low as well.
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #147 on: May 24, 2022, 12:26:14 am »
Does the base have velcro or a suction cup so you can press the screen or put probes into it without chasing it across the bench?  :-//

Literally the first thing I tested in my unboxing video, it doesn't slide no matter how hard you push.
BTW, the video is out there, you just have to guess the Youtube URL  :P
 

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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #148 on: May 24, 2022, 12:29:08 am »
Does the base have velcro or a suction cup so you can press the screen or put probes into it without chasing it across the bench?  :-//

Literally the first thing I tested in my unboxing video, it doesn't slide no matter how hard you push.
BTW, the video is out there, you just have to guess the Youtube URL  :P

You big tease.  :-DD  OK, I will reserve judgment until I see your review. But at first glance the cat needs to go back into the bag.  :scared:
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Re: NEW Next Gen Tektronix Scope
« Reply #149 on: May 24, 2022, 12:55:14 am »
Does the base have velcro or a suction cup so you can press the screen or put probes into it without chasing it across the bench?  :-//

Literally the first thing I tested in my unboxing video, it doesn't slide no matter how hard you push.
BTW, the video is out there, you just have to guess the Youtube URL  :P

Are all of the front panel buttons capacitive touch so they only require a light tap, and not some horrible membrane buttons?
 


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