NEW Next Gen 2 Series Tektronix Oscilloscope

[EEVblog]

Are all of the front panel buttons capacitive touch so they only require a light tap, and not some horrible membrane buttons?

Membrane.
You wouldn't want cap touch when hand holding it, you could quite easily accidently activate them.

[TERRA Operative]

Display
• 10.1-inch TFT color
• WXGA (1280 x 800) resolution
• Capacitive (multi-touch) touchscreen

Bandwidth
70 MHz, 100 MHz, 200 MHz, 350 MHz, and 500 MHz

Sample rate
• 2.5 GS/s Half channels
• 1.25 GS/s All channels
Record length
10 M points per channel
Vertical resolution
• 8 bits ADC
• Up to 16 bits in high-resolution mode

I'll keep my TDS784D for now...

4 channel, 1GHz bandwidth, 4GS/s sample rate and 8M sample memory depth, all for less than $500 on the used market.

Sure it only has a 7" 640x480 colour CRT screen, but it has a floppy drive! 

( /facetious mode )

Are all of the front panel buttons capacitive touch so they only require a light tap, and not some horrible membrane buttons?

Membrane.
You wouldn't want cap touch when hand holding it, you could quite easily accidently activate them.

Like a cheap Chinese IR remote control? I hope they make them feel nice and clicky..

[EEVblog]

I hope they make them feel nice and clicky..

It's not a HP calculator.

[Caliaxy]

Literally the first thing I tested in my unboxing video, it doesn't slide no matter how hard you push.

Unlike my Siglent SDS1104X-E…

Is it heavy? What’s the case made of?

[gslick]

Here's a bigger picture I pulled off the datasheet.

12MB 2 Series MSO Datasheet PDF is too large to attach. Grab a copy here:

https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3723180.pdf

[EEVblog]

[bd139]

To quote mighty boosh “elements of the past and future combined to make something not as good as either”

I reserve further judgement for the review but that looks like it’s really expensive and really easy to drop. I hope they sell TekCare with it and you can take it to Tek Store to get it repaired the same day.

[Someone]

Oh, how out of date can they get:

Digital pattern generator (optional)
Serial protocol triggering and analysis (optional)
Digital voltmeter and frequency counter (optional)
Digital channels (optional)
--
Arbitrary function generator (optional)
Battery pack (optional)

Fair enough on those last two, but not really trying to compete with the opposition.

already guessed by Fungus:
External power supply

and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"

"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"

no firmware for you!

[EEVblog]

Oh, how out of date can they get:

Digital pattern generator (optional)
Serial protocol triggering and analysis (optional)
Digital voltmeter and frequency counter (optional)
Digital channels (optional)
--
Arbitrary function generator (optional)
Battery pack (optional)

Fair enough on those last two, but not really trying to compete with the opposition.

Their entire scope business is built around this model. Absolutely no surprises there at all. All of their major competitors like Keysight, R&S, and Lecroy do the same thing.
It's smart not to get into a race to the bottom when you are a top shelf player. You can always have specials bundling options.

[tggzzz]

Are all of the front panel buttons capacitive touch so they only require a light tap, and not some horrible membrane buttons?

Membrane.
You wouldn't want cap touch when hand holding it, you could quite easily accidently activate them.

So the screen is a membrane screen, not a touch screen?

[JPortici]

I don't like the "Will be available in the future" options, or at least i don't get good vibes from that
I laugh at "TekCloud"
I hoped for isolated channels option because i actually like this form factor, in my mind i can see a lot of them in factory lines or workshop benches, either rack mounted or on VESA stand. Much more than the other "handheld" which are just really bulky (or with rather small screens) and usually with idiotic interfaces (RS scoperider comes to mind.. when i have the pleasure of using one i always get confused and press the wrong buttons) - and no, tautech i haven't had a chance to test the new siglent handhelds yet -

I am eager to look at the teardown video, i want to see how little space was left so that they couldn't add the optic fibre transceivers, or integrate a (smallish) battery beacuse the battery pack addon is... eh
overall i am impressed from tek, it looks really well done on paper.

Hope this will start a new wave of tablet scopes
Hope the other things (cloud, updates on subscription) don't catch on, but it may be too late already

[tautech]

I like the design concept as it covers a lot of use cases....portable, battery powered, Toughbook type bumper protection when needed, VESA mount, tablet or bench use.
The remote PSU keeps size and weight down however fully powered for portable use with 2 Li-ion's bumps her up to a fairly hefty 8lbs which would be difficult to manage in one hand.



One glaring thing is the recessed BNC's which might indicate only proprietary BNC connectors can be used which will be a big howling 

Omissions from the datasheet are FFT pts ? 
Std 1 yr warranty = 
Digital input channels (optional, available in future) < WTF is this future bit ? Out to customers for MSO development and feedback before we enable it ?

Anyways, looking forward to Dave putting it through its paces. 

[2N3055]

Oh, how out of date can they get:

Digital pattern generator (optional)
Serial protocol triggering and analysis (optional)
Digital voltmeter and frequency counter (optional)
Digital channels (optional)
--
Arbitrary function generator (optional)
Battery pack (optional)

Fair enough on those last two, but not really trying to compete with the opposition.

Their entire scope business is built around this model. Absolutely no surprises there at all. All of their major competitors like Keysight, R&S, and Lecroy do the same thing.
It's smart not to get into a race to the bottom when you are a top shelf player. You can always have specials bundling options.

Well, in last 3000G series Keysight gives away basic protocols trigger decode...Also in 1000 series...
So some do realize that ship has sailed...

It looks fancy..
There are many features from their 3 series, large touch screen... I don't see it as a a handheld tablet type, it is too big for that, and battery dock is huge. I think this is more like office mobility thing, you can carry it around  the office without looking for socket... By looking at featureset, it looks designed to target R&S RTB2000 series customers.. Wonder what the price will be.

All in all it seems like Tek is finally refreshing their range.. How successful it will be? We'll see..

[Fungus]

Oh, how out of date can they get:

Digital pattern generator (optional)
Serial protocol triggering and analysis (optional)
Digital voltmeter and frequency counter (optional)
Digital channels (optional)

Their entire scope business is built around this model. Absolutely no surprises there at all.

Sales reps can also use it to sweeten deals: "You buy 100 of them and I'll throw in the digital voltmeters for free..."

[EEVblog]

Oh, how out of date can they get:

Digital pattern generator (optional)
Serial protocol triggering and analysis (optional)
Digital voltmeter and frequency counter (optional)
Digital channels (optional)
--
Arbitrary function generator (optional)
Battery pack (optional)

Fair enough on those last two, but not really trying to compete with the opposition.

Their entire scope business is built around this model. Absolutely no surprises there at all. All of their major competitors like Keysight, R&S, and Lecroy do the same thing.
It's smart not to get into a race to the bottom when you are a top shelf player. You can always have specials bundling options.

Well, in last 3000G series Keysight gives away basic protocols trigger decode...Also in 1000 series...
So some do realize that ship has sailed...

They have to because they are still milking a 12 year old ASIC with limited memory. Much harder to compete these days.

[EEVblog]

I like the design concept as it covers a lot of use cases....portable, battery powered, Toughbook type bumper protection when needed, VESA mount, tablet or bench use.

That's the big selling point, different use cases. They have executed it very well.
Not for everyone, as usual, but it's pretty killer for those that need it.

One glaring thing is the recessed BNC's which might indicate only proprietary BNC connectors can be used which will be a big howling 

Nope, normal probes and cables are fine.

Digital input channels (optional, available in future) < WTF is this future bit ? Out to customers for MSO development and feedback before we enable it ?

at present it does not have it, so I won't be able to test that.

[tautech]

and no, tautech i haven't had a chance to test the new Siglent handhelds yet -

We'll have a demo unit coming in our next order but it's a month or 2 away yet then after a quick curious fiddle with it send it on down to Defpom for a review.....if you can wait that long.

[EEVblog]

So the screen is a membrane screen, not a touch screen?

Screen is capacitive touch. Buttons are membrane.

[tautech]

I like the design concept as it covers a lot of use cases....portable, battery powered, Toughbook type bumper protection when needed, VESA mount, tablet or bench use.

That's the big selling point, different use cases. They have executed it very well.
Not for everyone, as usual, but it's pretty killer for those that need it.

One glaring thing is the recessed BNC's which might indicate only proprietary BNC connectors can be used which will be a big howling 

Nope, normal probes and cables are fine.

Digital input channels (optional, available in future) < WTF is this future bit ? Out to customers for MSO development and feedback before we enable it ?

at present it does not have it, so I won't be able to test that.

OK ordinary BNC's work. 

Do you have a SPL2016 in the lab Dave as it appears the Tek P6316 MSO probe is almost identical to the SPL2016 Siglent use. If we look at the digital socket on the RHS it looks the same shape and size for the PCIE connector Siglent, LeCroy, some Rigol and existing Tek models use.

[EEVblog]

You'll see in the datasheet the VNC capability. I was playing with it today and it's very nice 

[JPortici]

and no, tautech i haven't had a chance to test the new Siglent handhelds yet -

We'll have a demo unit coming in our next order but it's a month or 2 away yet then after a quick curious fiddle with it send it on down to Defpom for a review.....if you can wait that long.

Nah, i'll probably go say hi to the boys at one of the next faires and have a play there

[tggzzz]

So the screen is a membrane screen, not a touch screen?

Screen is capacitive touch. Buttons are membrane.

Yup, which begs the question as to how valid this point is :"You wouldn't want cap touch when hand holding it, you could quite easily accidently activate them."

I'm unconvinced of the widescale benefit of it being handheld: one hand to hold it, one hand to hold the probe in place, one had to control it. Niche cases, yes, but not for most purposes.

The VESA mount on a moveable support looks more practical, but extended regular use can lead to upper-limb disorders. (Light pens - remember those - tended to lead to arm/shoulder problems, and trackballs to thumb problems)

[EEVblog]

So the screen is a membrane screen, not a touch screen?

Screen is capacitive touch. Buttons are membrane.

Yup, which begs the question as to how valid this point is :"You wouldn't want cap touch when hand holding it, you could quite easily accidently activate them."

If you had capacitive front panel buttons as suggested it would be a complete PIA if you hand hold or grab the side and move it around.
The cap touch screen can be turned off if needed, button on the front for that.

I'm unconvinced of the widescale benefit of it being handheld: one hand to hold it, one hand to hold the probe in place, one had to control it. Niche cases, yes, but not for most purposes.

You generally wouldn't hand hold it, you'd take it with you somewhere and place it down. Being able to move your scope anywhere without dicking around with power, or simply disconnecting from the mains to prevent common mode noise pickup can be a big deal.

[mikeselectricstuff]

and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"

"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"

no firmware for you!

Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?

[bd139]

Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?

They're taking on the cheap Android tablet software model but charging iPad prices...