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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2013, 02:54:10 am »

"I can't speak for the DS1000Z series, but I don't think anyone has found any difference whatsoever between the DS2072 and DS2102 other than the model number printed on the face plate (and held in memory) - and the price."

Marmad, are you saying that the DS2072 has the same bandwidth as the DS2102 (100MHz)?  Thx, EF
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2013, 09:02:32 am »
Marmad, are you saying that the DS2072 has the same bandwidth as the DS2102 (100MHz)?  Thx, EF

As far as I know, yes.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2013, 12:31:04 pm »
the DS2072 has the same bandwidth as the DS2102 (100MHz)
The Rigol factory might change it in future, who knows.
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2013, 04:14:48 pm »
Marmad, are you saying that the DS2072 has the same bandwidth as the DS2102 (100MHz)?  Thx, EF

As far as I know, yes.

Is this something that is known because someone tested (measured) the bandwidth on both a 2072 and a 2102, or is this just something believed to be the case because someone observed similar parts, circuits, etc?  Thanks
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2013, 05:12:08 pm »
Is this something that is known because someone tested (measured) the bandwidth on both a 2072 and a 2102, or is this just something believed to be the case because someone observed similar parts, circuits, etc?  Thanks
This is known mainly because of measurements many people have made already (such as the attached chart from Wim13).


 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2013, 05:28:45 pm »
Is this something that is known because someone tested (measured) the bandwidth on both a 2072 and a 2102, or is this just something believed to be the case because someone observed similar parts, circuits, etc?  Thanks
This is known mainly because of measurements many people have made already (such as the attached chart from Wim13).



Thanks for the chart.  Just to clarify, it would seem that this chart indicates the 2202 (not the 2102) outperforms the 2072.  So I would interpret this chart to say that the two products (2202 and 2072) are not the same (certainly not identical).  Having said that, it looks like the red line (MHead) on the 2072 shows the scope exceeds it's specs; not so sure about the green line (50 ohm).  (I would have expected to see the green line cross 70 MHz at or above 0.0 dB.)  But maybe I am misunderstanding some things.

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2013, 05:52:40 pm »
the DS2072 has the same bandwidth as the DS2102 (100MHz)
The Rigol factory might change it in future, who knows.


they can't change that, the bw is controlled by LMH6518, you can set the it only to following values:
20, 100, 200, 350, 650, 750MHz and full (900MHz).

From measurments i collected the DS0272 model seems to be set to 100MHz, the DS2202 to 350Mhz, however there is some gain loss in the other part of the fronend, so total bw at -3dB for 200MHz models is 220-250MHz. I have no information from DS2102, so they could be set to 100Mhz (as the DS2072) but as well to 200MHz. With the extra gain loss this means they by -3dB at ~150MHz, however that my thought and not confirmed by any measurments.
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2013, 06:38:34 pm »
Thanks for the chart.  Just to clarify, it would seem that this chart indicates the 2202 (not the 2102) outperforms the 2072.  So I would interpret this chart to say that the two products (2202 and 2072) are not the same (certainly not identical).  Having said that, it looks like the red line (MHead) on the 2072 shows the scope exceeds it's specs; not so sure about the green line (50 ohm).  (I would have expected to see the green line cross 70 MHz at or above 0.0 dB.)  But maybe I am misunderstanding some things.

Comments?  Thx

Bandwidth is always specified within a +0 to -3 dB range. According to the chart, the BW of the DS2072 at 50E is ~110MHz.
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2013, 10:23:20 am »
FYI, I should be able to get my hands on both of these new scopes for a little bit in the coming months.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2013, 11:54:16 am »
Hello,
this is my first post.
I recently received the visit of Rigol. They came to present their new MSO, they have bring the MSO4054 with all software decodes installed.
The device is very nice and I found very good to have both DSO and LA and in one machine, the decode option is a nice addition as well.
The downside is that the internal fan is pretty noisy in my opinion.
I have ordered the MSO4014 with I2C/SPI decode option, I should get it in early August.

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2013, 12:20:24 pm »
That's what I call sexy.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2013, 12:29:27 pm »
Hello,
this is my first post.
I recently received the visit of Rigol. They came to present their new MSO, they have bring the MSO4054 with all software decodes installed.
The device is very nice and I found very good to have both DSO and LA and in one machine, the decode option is a nice addition as well.
The downside is that the internal fan is pretty noisy in my opinion.
I have ordered the MSO4014 with I2C/SPI decode option, I should get it in early August.

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I wish we knew the street price here in the states!
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2013, 01:06:48 pm »
I wish we knew the street price here in the states!

T Equipment is showing just under $6k.  This is without the software options.  I'm wondering pricing on those as well.

http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS4054.html

 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2013, 01:16:59 pm »
I wish we knew the street price here in the states!

T Equipment is showing just under $6k.  This is without the software options.  I'm wondering pricing on those as well.

http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS4054.html

That is the DS, not the MSO.

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2013, 01:24:04 pm »
I wish we knew the street price here in the states!

T Equipment is showing just under $6k.  This is without the software options.  I'm wondering pricing on those as well.

http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS4054.html

Ah, shoot.  You are right.  I was thinking I could get $6k past my boss, but the MSO is gonna come in a lot higher. 
That is the DS, not the MSO.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2013, 01:25:47 pm »
You had me excited for a sec, thought the new MSOs were starting to appear here in the states!

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2013, 03:28:02 pm »
Here's my dilemma - I will shortly be without a scope and was hoping these would be coming out soon enough that I can defer.  May not be able to hold off though if it's going to be a few months. :(

Oh well.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2013, 10:14:22 am »
Bump

Finally after a month of waiting
this things have only 71 hours of trail option
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2013, 06:30:22 pm »
I will have pricing on these later today or tomorrow online with the 1st units coming in 4 weeks.  Pre orders are being taken in 1 day.
Thanks!
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2013, 06:35:29 pm »
I will have pricing on these later today or tomorrow online with the 1st units coming in 4 weeks.  Pre orders are being taken in 1 day.
Thanks!
Tequipment.NET

The 1000Z or the MSO4000?  Or both?
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2013, 09:21:30 pm »
I will have pricing on these later today or tomorrow online with the 1st units coming in 4 weeks.  Pre orders are being taken in 1 day.
Thanks!
Tequipment.NET

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2013, 03:57:25 pm »
He has them up on the tequipment.net site prices look pretty good
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2013, 04:19:22 pm »
Yeah the 1000Z is up now.  $979 for the 100Mhz model, not too shabby!

Now, pricing on the MSO4000 ... when do we get to see THAT?
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2013, 05:01:50 pm »
]DS1074Z $585.00

DS1074Z-S  $818.00

DS1104Z $747.00

DS1104Z-S $979.00
« Last Edit: August 05, 2013, 07:55:10 pm by ahnuts72 »
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2013, 07:01:30 pm »
Now, pricing on the MSO4000 ... when do we get to see THAT?

Yeah, I was REALLY hoping to see the 4000s hit with the Zs.

However, that's a heck of a value for a < $1000 scope.


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