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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #100 on: September 27, 2013, 07:54:45 am »
You're talking customs duties. I'm talking VAT on goods inside China.
http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/China_VAT_system_en/$FILE/China_VAT_system_en.pdf
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2013, 11:49:29 pm »
Hah - but what I really need is for it to show up on the US distributor sites!
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MSO4000 series now listed on Rigol NA website with prices! http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/mso4000/

Does not show on Tequipment.net but I image it will be added soon.

Also DS1000Z added: http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000Z/
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #102 on: September 28, 2013, 01:47:07 am »
Finally!  Now just give me an order link for crying out loud! :)

I will admit I am a little disappointed in their pricing however.  $1300 delta for the MSO version seems a bit much compared to others in its class.  Plus the decode licenses on top of it.  Plus the price jump for bandwidth seems weird.  It's +$500 from a 4014 to a 4024, but then +$2300 from a 4024 to a 4034.  Yeesh
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #103 on: September 28, 2013, 10:40:44 am »
Anyone knows what the noise level of the fan is in the 1000Z scopes - compared to the old -very- noisy DS-1052E.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #104 on: September 28, 2013, 12:00:31 pm »
there are NO software decoding options for the msoxxxx, instead there are these options for the DSxxxx
so can we hope the software decoding are included in the mso series ?????
the price would be very attractive then.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2013, 12:51:48 pm »
there are NO software decoding options for the msoxxxx, instead there are these options for the DSxxxx
so can we hope the software decoding are included in the mso series ?????
the price would be very attractive then.

Nope because if you read the data sheet you see they are optional. A t the end of the specifications under "decoding options".  It's an addon.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2013, 01:36:07 pm »
there are NO software decoding options for the msoxxxx, instead there are these options for the DSxxxx
so can we hope the software decoding are included in the mso series ?????
the price would be very attractive then.

Nope because if you read the data sheet you see they are optional. A t the end of the specifications under "decoding options".  It's an addon.
at the end of the datasheet, the software decoding options are referenced "xxx-ds4000" and not "xxx-mso4000"
the datasheet is common with ds4000 series and mso4000
on the web site, under accessories you have the options for the ds4000 and not for the mso4000
so all this makes me think the software decoding options are included in the mso series
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #107 on: September 28, 2013, 01:57:17 pm »
there are NO software decoding options for the msoxxxx, instead there are these options for the DSxxxx
so can we hope the software decoding are included in the mso series ?????
the price would be very attractive then.

Nope because if you read the data sheet you see they are optional. A t the end of the specifications under "decoding options".  It's an addon.
at the end of the datasheet, the software decoding options are referenced "xxx-ds4000" and not "xxx-mso4000"
the datasheet is common with ds4000 series and mso4000
on the web site, under accessories you have the options for the ds4000 and not for the mso4000
so all this makes me think the software decoding options are included in the mso series

While that would be fantastic I highly doubt it - since the entire package of decodes for the DS4000 costs $1500 as a bundle currently it's unlikely.  Especially since that's less than the $1300 delta to go from the DSO to MSO option.  I can hope for otherwise but I am willing to bet the decodes are extra.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2013, 04:03:05 pm »
I jumped in the deep end.  Just ordered a MSO4000 from tequipment.net (it's not on their site yet but you can pre-order if you contact them and ask for a quote).  Shipping in (expected) 4-6 weeks.

Pricing, with the eevblog discount was about 6% under what Rigol has on their site.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2013, 04:09:53 pm »
I jumped in the deep end.  Just ordered a MSO4000 from tequipment.net (it's not on their site yet but you can pre-order if you contact them and ask for a quote).  Shipping in (expected) 4-6 weeks.

Pricing, with the eevblog discount was about 6% under what Rigol has on their site.

Congrats!  Hope it turns out to be outstanding!
Decoding options are the same price as they have been all along for the DS4000?
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #110 on: September 30, 2013, 04:12:56 pm »
Based on my understanding, yes, since those are the only part numbers referenced in the datasheet.

I didn't want to add in any options yet - get the scope, make sure it's all copacetic, and then add options.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #111 on: September 30, 2013, 04:47:43 pm »
Grego, do you still have that Agilent MSO6000? Now you will have two scopes... Well, the MSO4000/DSO4000 is probably of quite decent quality and with powerful hardware, but the price is  not for a poor hobbyist from Europe...
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #112 on: September 30, 2013, 04:52:23 pm »
Grego, do you still have that Agilent MSO6000? Now you will have two scopes... Well, the MSO4000/DSO4000 is probably of quite decent quality and with powerful hardware, but the price is  not for a poor hobbyist from Europe...

Nope - that one had to go back due to some hardware issues which left me looking for a scope again.  I'm hopeful that I'm now DONE.  This is getting a little ridiculous.

It'd be easier if I could afford to buy a MSOX3000 with the decodes but that's just too much out of the budget.  And the fact that the 2000 doesn't do decodes on its digital channels killed it for me or I'd have gone that route.

The MSO4024 is the limit of my budget.  Literally.  I'm about $60 under my absolutely max I would spend.  As it is I'm going to have to defer some other stuff I was going to do this year (I've been eyeballing a CNC machine for example) because of it.  But a good scope is tool #1.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #113 on: September 30, 2013, 05:06:07 pm »
Nope - that one had to go back due to some hardware issues
How old was that scope and what was the problem (if known)? It is sad to hear about a defective Agilent.
Well, hardly any scope has so much memory (140MB) as the Rigol MSO4000 has.
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2013, 05:12:28 pm »
Nope - that one had to go back due to some hardware issues
How old was that scope and what was the problem (if known)? It is sad to hear about a defective Agilent.
Well, hardly any scope has so much memory (140MB) as the Rigol MSO4000 has.

I was getting some goofy readings off of it when using the various measurements function.  Agilent offered to repair it of course but since it was a used and not premium used I didn't want to get stuck with a failure six months later on a scope that doesn't have a warranty.  Agilent agreed - they even paid the return shipping which I thought was pretty cool of them.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #115 on: September 30, 2013, 06:06:39 pm »
OK, at least Agilent have a good customer service.
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #116 on: October 05, 2013, 07:17:39 pm »
All,

Signal generator is S version seems good value for money 14bit (2 channels?) 200Msmp/s (again is this 100 per channel?) for around 180 Euro (prices on Batronix Europe).

My question is if there is any benefit of having the sig gen builit into oscilloscope. I mean something like trigger synchonization with generates signal, or else ?

Cons I see is that if gen is separate it is easier to change/update in the future...

So if you needed to buy in the future both awg and oscilloscope would you go for S version?

Thanks,
R
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #117 on: October 05, 2013, 09:23:12 pm »
I mean something like trigger synchonization with generates signal, or else ?
Possibly yes. It is at my DSOX2002A. Well, there is no full user manual of DS1000Z-S yet, so we do not know...  http://www.eu.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000Z/ds1104z-s/
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #118 on: October 06, 2013, 12:04:13 am »
Well, there is no full user manual of DS1000Z-S yet, so we do not know.

There is one but it is in Chinese:  http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS1000Z/document/?act=view&itemid=1268

Google translate errors out when attempting to translating the whole PDF file but it works if you copy and paste sections of  text into:
http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&prev=_t&sl=zh-CN&tl=en#zh-CN/en/
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #119 on: October 07, 2013, 06:32:14 pm »
Possibly yes. It is at my DSOX2002A. Well, there is no full user manual of DS1000Z-S yet, so we do not know...  http://www.eu.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000Z/ds1104z-s/

I don't get it. They sell a product and there is no spec attached. (At Batronix spec points to 2000 series  :o )

The scope may not me as good as 2072 (if you don't need 4 chs) but value/price ratio is good and for a total beginner (like me) it good be a good entry level scope.

I do hope Dave will make a sound review before end of year.

R
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2013, 03:05:31 pm »
can´t wait for the 1000z review, looks like a nice piece of kit for the price. especially for hobby noobs like me who mostly don´t need an oszilloscope anyway. any eta on the review dave?
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #122 on: October 09, 2013, 02:51:17 pm »
Ordered a DS1074Z-S yesterday. Leadtime for stock arrival to emona is towards the end of next week apparently. Should arrive within a couple of weeks I guess. The North America Rigol site lists 4-6 weeks...

For me, it was 4 channels and function gen for the same price as base model DS2000. The other stuff isn't so important to me. There have been many times where I wished I had at least 3 channels (3 phase BLDC motors etc).

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #123 on: October 09, 2013, 04:15:04 pm »
I have a DS1074z coming that's supposed to be delivered on Friday. I'll post a mini-review soon after.
 

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Re: new RIGOL DS1000Z and... MSO4000
« Reply #124 on: October 09, 2013, 04:39:57 pm »
Ordered a DS1074Z-S yesterday. Leadtime for stock arrival to emona is towards the end of next week apparently. Should arrive within a couple of weeks I guess. The North America Rigol site lists 4-6 weeks...

For me, it was 4 channels and function gen for the same price as base model DS2000. The other stuff isn't so important to me. There have been many times where I wished I had at least 3 channels (3 phase BLDC motors etc).

I have to agree here, I really do like the DS2000 series scope but I'm ALWAYS regretting that it's only 2 channels (3000 was out of my price abilities).  I need 3-4 channels especially to get the best use out of some of the decoding options.  If anyone in Canada picks one of these models up and wouldn't mind letting me know the costs associated to getting it across the border (if ordered through RigolNA), and their opinion on the device it would be greatly appreciated.
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