New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope

[Marcos]

Only Rigol can answer this question so far. But they are quiet...sooo quiet...

[Shock]

Technically possible yes, as mentioned the boot code came out in a previous update 00.04.00.00.00. I have a feeling that the issue is if you update the software before the boot code it won't allow you to apply the boot code.

Anyway I called it, but we won't be sure until Rigol gives specifics or we see a new update with a boot code file released.

If someone is in communication with them, tell Rigol to either en-corporate the boot code again with an updated version number, fix their update system or allow people to roll back properly. The firmware is all over the place and they have customers that can't even fix their bugs because of no confidence in the firmware update process.

[TheSteve]

Are we 100% sure the DS1074Z-S has received a boot update?

I just updated mine from version 2.x.x.x to version 04.03.01.05 and the boot version stayed at 0.0.0.11

[MarkF]

If you look at the 00.04.00.00.00 release, the firmware update and the boot update are separate gel files.  The actual gel files are both named DS1000ZUpdate.GEL.  I assume they apply to all the DS1000Z versions.

[Towger]

I got a boot update for my early DS1104Z last year.

[Marcos]

I got a boot update for my early DS1104Z last year.

Please tell us some numbers. Before and after version was?

[Fennec]

If you look at the 00.04.00.00.00 release, the firmware update and the boot update are separate gel files.

Where you got this infos from ? I've never seen or hear about different update and bootloader files. If you have those, please upload the firmware and the bootloader file or link it here, so we know what u konw.

[Orange]

New boot code was distributed back in 2014 as version  00.04.01.02.00

An accompanying readme.txt file says:



Please find attached the update installation instructions and below the links to download the packed update file.
Start with the Bootloader Update, therefore please download, unpack und copy the bootloader update file on your USB Stick (root directory).
Now follow exactly the instructions.
After successful finishing the boot-update do NOT power cycle your Scope.
Even when it is written on your screen.
Just remove the USB Stick and exchange the Bootloader Update File with the Firmware update File.
Now follow again the instructions. This time you will see the prompt message "same Firmware detected. Update anyway?"
Ignor this message and go ahead with the update as described.
After successful finishing the second update procedure. Remove the stick and re-boot your Scope.

[TheSteve]

If you look at this this upgrade file you will see it has the boot update and the regular update:
http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/DS1000Z-04_00_00_00.7z

Version 04.01.02 is also posted there but does not have the boot update in it.

Anyway brave enough to experiment with it???

[nanofrog]

If you look at this this upgrade file you will see it has the boot update and the regular update:
http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/DS1000Z-04_00_00_00.7z

Version 04.01.02 is also posted there but does not have the boot update in it.

Anyway brave enough to experiment with it???

Actually, it does. 

You get 2 folders when you expand it; Sparrow(Boot)update_00.04.00.00.00 and Sparrow(ARM)update_00.04.00.00.00.

[TheSteve]

If you look at this this upgrade file you will see it has the boot update and the regular update:
http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/DS1000Z-04_00_00_00.7z

Version 04.01.02 is also posted there but does not have the boot update in it.

Anyway brave enough to experiment with it???

Actually, it does. 

You get 2 folders when you expand it; Sparrow(Boot)update_00.04.00.00.00 and Sparrow(ARM)update_00.04.00.00.00.

That is exactly what I said...

The 4.0.0.0 I linked to has the boot update in it. The 4.01.02 does not have it - I mentioned the 4.01.02 because in a previous post it was mentioned that version had the boot update.

[nanofrog]

If you look at this this upgrade file you will see it has the boot update and the regular update:
http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/DS1000Z-04_00_00_00.7z

Version 04.01.02 is also posted there but does not have the boot update in it.

Anyway brave enough to experiment with it???

Actually, it does. 

You get 2 folders when you expand it; Sparrow(Boot)update_00.04.00.00.00 and Sparrow(ARM)update_00.04.00.00.00.

That is exactly what I said...

The 4.0.0.0 I linked to has the boot update in it. The 4.01.02 does not have it - I mentioned the 4.01.02 because in a previous post it was mentioned that version had the boot update.

Oops. The second file you mentioned is what stuck in my head. 

[TheSteve]

I believe Rigol no longer allows downgrades to firmware, but has anyone tried the bootloader update from version 4.0.0.0 after installing newer firmware?

[Marcos]

No way to downgrade. Just tried that.
I tried also to "trick" the older firmware making the scope believe that it will install an updated version.
It worked up to a point. Scope is seeing a newer version, unpack and analyze the file, but soon after that an error message comes up and that's it. Update aborted.
Probably because there are some checksums in place or another place inside the code which tells the scope that the version is not "quite" a newer one

[TheSteve]

Shame, I was hoping maybe it would allow the bootloader "upgrade" even if it didn't allow the main firmware update.

[nanofrog]

has anyone tried the bootloader update from version 4.0.0.0 after installing newer firmware?

I gave it a try as well to no avail. Hopefully Rigol will fix this.

[MarkF]

I asked Rigol for the latest bootloader version a few months ago.  The response I got back was that a bootloader update was not needed.

Model:DS1104Z
SN:DS1Z----------
Manufacturer:RIGOL TECHNOLOGIES
Board Ver:0.1.1
Firmware Ver:0.2.3.11
BOOT Ver:0.0.0.11
CPLD Ver:1.1
SoftWare Ver:00.04.03.SP1

[TheSteve]

Anyone aware of a recovery button combo to restore firmware from the usb drive should you have a failure during flashing?

[Orange]

If you look at this this upgrade file you will see it has the boot update and the regular update:
http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/DS1000Z-04_00_00_00.7z

Version 04.01.02 is also posted there but does not have the boot update in it.

Anyway brave enough to experiment with it???

Actually, it does. 

You get 2 folders when you expand it; Sparrow(Boot)update_00.04.00.00.00 and Sparrow(ARM)update_00.04.00.00.00.

That is exactly what I said...

The 4.0.0.0 I linked to has the boot update in it. The 4.01.02 does not have it - I mentioned the 4.01.02 because in a previous post it was mentioned that version had the boot update.

And it has in it, but your download source is incomplete. That site is not very well maintained, but merely lists what people upload, bad or good.
Well never mind, it does not matter. Rigol is preventing us to downgrade the FW on the DS1000Z series. it probably has something to do with incompatible hardware.
I still think that the bootloader plays an important role to set the hardware in a certain state so that memory configuration is correct for the rest of the boot process.

[TheSteve]

Maybe some day they will release another build with the bootloader, seems unlikely though.

[Shock]

I was talking about this crap months ago see this thread.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1054z-freeze-up-bug/msg736098/#msg736098

Jason from Rigol wants everyone to repost their versions. He doesn't seem to believe 30-40 or so of the 90 people who did the poll were having a 100% reproducible freeze bug and were posting they had BOOT Ver:0.0.1.2.

Again nothing will happen until Rigol take this seriously. People can't mess around and risk the chance to brick their oscilloscopes, Rigol needs to reach out to customers experiencing the problem and attempt to fix it.

Anyway I mentioned in the thread about opening the 00.04.00.00.00 boot code .GEL file in CCS Code Composer Studio or whatever they wrote it in and we might be able to see if that version is BOOT Ver:0.0.1.3.

In the headers of each .GEL file you normally see something like this:

Code: [Select]

DS1000Z
00.04.03.02.03
/sys/SparrowAPP.out
/sys/SparrowFPGA.hex
/sys/SparrowDGFPGA.hex
/sys/logo.hex
/sys/guiResData.hex
/sys/guiPicData.hex
/sys/SparrowConfig.hex
/sys/SparrowWaveTable.hex
/sys/SparrowCalFile.hex

While in the 00.04.00.00.00 boot code .GEL file you will find this inclusion.

Code: [Select]

/sys/SparrowBootloader.sb


[akkarin]

I suggest we do this in a separate Thread?

[nrxnrx]

I'm certain I've seen this here and have been trying to find it with no success.

What was the combination to activate the "extended" info menu, which shows the full version number and startup times?

[dcac]

I'm certain I've seen this here and have been trying to find it with no success.

What was the combination to activate the "extended" info menu, which shows the full version number and startup times?

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1054z-freeze-up-bug/msg790130/#msg790130

[nrxnrx]

I'm certain I've seen this here and have been trying to find it with no success.

What was the combination to activate the "extended" info menu, which shows the full version number and startup times?

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1054z-freeze-up-bug/msg790130/#msg790130

Thank you!

And (for the re-re-record) the message from Orange:

To display the full version information:
- In the trigger area on the front panel, press MENU > MENU > FORCE > MENU         <<< press this sequence very quickly
- In the menu area, press UTILITY > SYSTEM > SYSTEM INFO