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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4125 on: September 06, 2018, 03:07:04 am »
If i unlock 100MHz bandwidth in my new 1054z then warranty is void.

Says who? All you did was push buttons on the front panel.

Will be overheat?

No. Everything is the same internally.

PS: It's very easy to relock it again, no traces left.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4126 on: September 06, 2018, 03:29:51 am »
Hmm.. but Rigol knows about it.
It is simple and fast! But 1054 have a cost 350$, however 1104z - 600!!! Why??  |O

Rigol is stupid?

Buy 1104z is meaningless..


 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4127 on: September 06, 2018, 03:32:13 am »
Hmm.. but Rigol knows about it.
It is simple and fast! But 1054 have a cost 350$, however 1104z - 600!!! Why??  |O

Rigol is stupid?

Some companies, Universities, etc. will not unlock and pay that much, so why not ask?

PS: DS1104Z with all options used to cost over $1000, the options cost more than the DS1054Z(!)

 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4128 on: September 06, 2018, 03:33:46 am »
Hmm.. but Rigol knows about it.
It is simple and fast! But 1054 have a cost 350$, however 1104z - 600!!! Why??  |O

Rigol is stupid?

Buy 1104z is meaningless..
Depends.

For an individual using it for personal use (hobbyist), sure. A startup for example OTOH, not so much as they're under a lot more scrutiny to make sure they're keeping everything above board/legal so to speak.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4129 on: September 06, 2018, 03:36:42 am »
Hmm.. but Rigol knows about it.
It is simple and fast! But 1054 have a cost 350$, however 1104z - 600!!! Why??  |O

Rigol is stupid?

Buy 1104z is meaningless..

Trust us, DO NOT hack it,its not worth your sleep, your nerves, you will getting very stress and feel sinful.

 
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4130 on: September 06, 2018, 03:40:18 am »
Hmm.. but Rigol knows about it.

Rigol not only knows about it, they designed it that way. It's part of their sales strategy.

Notice that the MSO versions of the DS1054Z are not unlockable using Rigol. The version with the signal generator is not unlockable with Riglol, etc.

They know they will sell a lot more oscilloscopes to hobby users if features are easy to unlock.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 03:42:54 am by Fungus »
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4131 on: September 06, 2018, 03:42:28 am »
Universities buy's oscilloscopes on eBay?  :)

Thats prices from eBye. For all.. hobbyst or no

Just weird
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4132 on: September 06, 2018, 03:58:07 am »
I'm just worried about the fact that it can be damaged on the larger bandwidth.

may be input amplifier will be overheat or ADC or etc (on larger frequrencies) and radiator is not installed for 1054 modification or other ..


I just do not believe in miracles  :-//
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4133 on: September 06, 2018, 04:08:27 am »
I'm just worried about the fact that it can be damaged on the larger bandwidth.

may be input amplifier will be overheat or ADC or etc (on larger frequrencies) and radiator is not installed for 1054 modification or other ..


I just do not believe in miracles  :-//

I guess you keep asking and doubting again and again, its clear you just want answer that what ever you wanted to hear.

Fungus already helped you, and in this forum here, especially in this DS1054Z matter, I believe that he knows what he is talking, and that include alot of hundreds or even thousands of DS1054Z owners that hacked the scope up to 100MHz.

Remember, you still don't own it, and I guess never used it too, so stop pretending that you know better than most of us DS1054Z owners here.

You're on your own and suggesting DO NOT buy it.
 
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4134 on: September 06, 2018, 04:09:06 am »
I'm just worried about the fact that it can be damaged on the larger bandwidth.

may be input amplifier will be overheat or ADC or etc (on larger frequrencies) and radiator is not installed for 1054 modification or other ..

I just do not believe in miracles  :-//

The unlocked Rigols do not perform like good 100 MHz oscilloscopes should but damage due to a larger bandwidth is not a concern.

I like Fungus' hypothesis about why they are unlockable while the others are not.  If Rigol was voiding warranties because these oscilloscopes were unlocked by the user, I think we would have heard of it by now.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 04:15:37 am by David Hess »
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4135 on: September 06, 2018, 04:31:09 am »

can someone give a link where there is a comparison: before unlocking and after? or comparison of entrails

I already purchased the device. And I do not want to break it or lose the warranty. To open too it would not be desirable for self check. The case is sealed by sticker

ps. a man of the intellect is inclined to doubt  :)
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4136 on: September 06, 2018, 04:38:03 am »
I'm just worried about the fact that it can be damaged on the larger bandwidth.

may be input amplifier will be overheat or ADC or etc (on larger frequrencies) and radiator is not installed for 1054 modification or other ..


I just do not believe in miracles  :-//

You don't have to believe us, although you did ask us. And now you have multiple answers that are all in agreement without any miracles occurring.

If you're not comfortable unlocking the 100 MHz bandwidth, either buy a DS1054Z and don't unlock it or buy a DS1104Z if you want 100 MHz without unlocking. You could also buy some other brand of scope. It's your choice. Enjoy the power of your newly found freedom.


can someone give a link where there is a comparison: before unlocking and after? or comparison of entrails

I already purchased the device. And I do not want to break it or lose the warranty. To open too it would not be desirable for self check. The case is sealed by sticker

ps. a man of the intellect is inclined to doubt  :)

Use the forum search. There is much information.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 04:39:49 am by bitseeker »
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4137 on: September 06, 2018, 04:51:43 am »

just apparently no one really knows .. but still thanks for the answers

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4138 on: September 06, 2018, 04:53:52 am »
Did Dave's teardown and semi reverse engineer of the front end use an 1104 or 1054? Somehow it was always established in my mind the hardware is exactly the same and these are software only enabled features (except the 500uV vert sensitivity).
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4139 on: September 06, 2018, 04:56:57 am »
ps. a man of the intellect is inclined to doubt  :)

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4140 on: September 06, 2018, 05:28:31 am »
Did Dave's teardown and semi reverse engineer of the front end use an 1104 or 1054? Somehow it was always established in my mind the hardware is exactly the same and these are software only enabled features (except the 500uV vert sensitivity).

DS1054Z

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4141 on: September 06, 2018, 06:06:09 am »
just apparently no one really knows ..

Sure we do, we have the circuit diagrams to prove it. Dave even did a video on it:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-675-how-to-reverse-engineer-a-rigol-ds1054z/

Nothing is overclocked, nothing will heat up, nothing bad will happen. The only change is that a low-pass filter is removed from the input.

The unlocked Rigols do not perform like good 100 MHz oscilloscopes should

That's complete rubbish. An unlocked Rigol behaves exactly like a DS1104Z (which is a good oscilloscope).
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 06:13:06 am by Fungus »
 
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4142 on: September 06, 2018, 06:15:45 am »
may be input amplifier will be overheat or ADC or etc (on larger frequrencies)

There are no "larger frequencies". The ADC sample rate is the same on both models (1Ghz).

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4143 on: September 06, 2018, 06:43:55 am »
The unlocked Rigols do not perform like good 100 MHz oscilloscopes should

That's complete rubbish. An unlocked Rigol behaves exactly like a DS1104Z (which is a good oscilloscope).

It seems he was actually saying that Rigol scopes do not perform like good scopes should.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4144 on: September 06, 2018, 07:16:04 am »
How _should_ a "good" 100MHz scope perform, then?
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4145 on: September 06, 2018, 07:21:54 am »
How _should_ a "good" 100MHz scope perform, then?
Measure on the main window, not on the zoom !
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4146 on: September 06, 2018, 09:43:38 am »
The unlocked Rigols do not perform like good 100 MHz oscilloscopes should
That's complete rubbish. An unlocked Rigol behaves exactly like a DS1104Z (which is a good oscilloscope).

It seems he was actually saying that Rigol scopes do not perform like good scopes should.
return the rigol, buy keysight. I believe its a good scope with a good money (price)... if someone expect bettle car performs like ferrarri, then just buy ferrarri.
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4147 on: September 06, 2018, 10:02:22 am »
That's complete rubbish. An unlocked Rigol behaves exactly like a DS1104Z (which is a good oscilloscope).
It seems he was actually saying that Rigol scopes do not perform like good scopes should.

And I was correcting him.  :popcorn:

(obviously there's more expensive 'scopes available and you'd hope to get something for yur money but that doesn't make a Rigols a bad oscilloscope)

if someone expect bettle car performs like ferrarri, then just buy ferrarri.

Don't expect to get a Ferrari for 40% more money than a beetle. Ferraris cost a lot more than that. For 40% more you just get a beetle with metallic paint and a chrome exhaust.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4148 on: September 06, 2018, 10:34:12 am »
How _should_ a "good" 100MHz scope perform, then?
Measure on the main window, not on the zoom !

I'm wondering how that matters to me, that Rigol measures screen data, along with there only being 7 bits shown on the screen. I guess I should be able to figure that out.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4149 on: September 06, 2018, 10:49:28 am »
How _should_ a "good" 100MHz scope perform, then?
Measure on the main window, not on the zoom !

I'm wondering how that matters to me, that Rigol measures screen data, along with there only being 7 bits shown on the screen. I guess I should be able to figure that out.
I don't think there's a difference either, the scope is sampling at 1GSa/s

The difference in the 100MHz could be the noise, I haven't tested with mine... but having the 20MHz BW limit would only make this important while measuring 20 to 50 MHz BW signals.

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