New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope

[pascal_sweden]

No, it was another document. Maybe it actually was a table on a website.
If I stumble on the table again, I will share it here for further reference and discussion

[Jano]

Hi,

is latest  firmware/newest production models unlockable to 100MHz etc... has anyone tried?
thanks!

[bitseeker]

is latest  firmware/newest production models unlockable to 100MHz etc... has anyone tried?
thanks!

Mine arrived with firmware 04.03 and it worked fine. I have not tried 04.03.SP1, but others seem to be running fine with it. Give it a try and report back with your results.

[saelig]

STOP PRESS! Rigol has authorized a price drop on their DS1074Z 70MHz scope  to $499 & DS1074Z-s (+AWG) down to $699 in case you need another 20MHz bandwidth....

[ebastler]

STOP PRESS! Rigol has authorized a price drop on their DS1074Z 70MHz scope  to $499 & DS1074Z-s (+AWG) down to $699 in case you need another 20MHz bandwidth....

I seem to recall there is another way to get those extra 20 (or 50) MHz... ;-)  But this lowers the entry price for the -S models, which is nice.

[ankerwolf]

Hey guys,

I don't fully understand how the DS1054Z is setting Samples/second and MPts based on timebase.

My idea about "Mem Depht", "Sample/second" and "MPts":

1) I think that the resolution of the ADC is only 8 bits.
2) There is a "high resolution mode" up to 12 Bits.

This could be done by sample multiple times within a "SampleTime" and build the Meanvalue.
So you can get out more bits.
I think, I could read it in the manual ...

LG Wolf

[ankerwolf]

Hi,
1) are there any commands for the new function "filter"  in the new Firmware 00.04.03.01.05 = 00.04.03.SP1 ?

2) I cannot find Commands for select the graphics format.
Are there some commands?

3) Is there a newer version of the "DS100Z Series Programming Guide" (last is Sept.2014) ?

Thanks
Wolf

[ankerwolf]

Hello Peter,
Thanks

[Jano]

does 1054z firmware 00.04.03.01.05 unlockable?

[MarkF]

does 1054z firmware 00.04.03.01.05 unlockable?

Really?  Too much trouble to even read this one page?  You've already been answered.

   READ!!! 

[Jano]

MarkF Thank You!  You are so smart!

why dont your read the page yourself more carefully!

Thanks Again!

[ebastler]

does 1054z firmware 00.04.03.01.05 unlockable?

Jano -- I would agree that page 110 of this thread does not contain an answer based on first-hand experience. But that question has been asked and answered several times in this thread. First one I could find is here:  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-rigol-ds1054z-oscilloscope/1530/, and then it feels like the topic is recurring on every other page of the thread... So I can understand Mark's annoyance; this thread is more than long enough without the ever-recurring questions.

(The answer is "yes", by the way.)

[Jano]

to Ebastler

('thanks'  by the way)!

[McBryce]

Maybe a new thread should be opened for each Firmware version?

McBryce.

[Fennec]

MarkF Thank You!  You are so smart!

why dont your read the page yourself more carefully!

Thanks Again!

unbelievable

[ankerwolf]

Hello,
here are the SCPI-Commands for the new function "FILTER":

"Filter" is new in FW 00.40.03.SP1 (00.40.03.01.05)

  :MATH:OPER FILT         // Operator: S.106: Select Math-Function Filter
  :MATH:DISP OFF          // Operation: ON | 1 | OFF | 0

  :MATH:FILT:TYPE?        // response: LPAS, HPAS, BPAS, BTR
  :MATH:FILT:TYPE BREJECT    // Bandsperre = BTRap = BREJECT
                         
  :MATH:FILT:LLIM?
  :MATH:FILT:ULIM?
  :MATH:FILT:LLIM 2000    // set to 2.0kHz
  :MATH:FILT:ULIM 9500    // set to 9.5kHz
                          // only in steps !!!
                           // W1 = LLIM = lower frequency limit
                          // W2 = ULIM = upper frequency limit


  :MATH:FILT:SOUR?            // does not work
  :MATH:FILT:SOUR CHAN1   // dose not work, S.107 ProgGuide

but it works for FFT:

  :MATH:FFT:SOUR?         // ok for FFT - wrong at S.107
  :MATH:FFT:SOUR CHAN1    // ok for FFT - wrong at S.107


Wolf

[quantalume]

Hi, in the case of single-shot triggering, is there a way to have the scope only record what happens after the trigger event, rather than splitting the memory half before and half after? As it is, half the memory is being wasted at times. Perhaps I shouldn't complain with 24M of memory. 

[nugglix]

Hi, in the case of single-shot triggering, is there a way to have the scope only record what happens after the trigger event, rather than splitting the memory half before and half after? As it is, half the memory is being wasted at times. Perhaps I shouldn't complain with 24M of memory. 

What about moving the trigger point to the left w/ the horizontal controls?
Should do the trick, or not?

Cheers

[McBryce]

You can move the trigger point to the left of the screen, which should remove any pre-trigger.

McBryce.

[quantalume]

What about moving the trigger point to the left w/ the horizontal controls?
Should do the trick, or not?

Cheers

Yep, simple enough. Thanks. Only complaint at this point is that the trigger point keeps moving around a bit as I change the time base. Any way to anchor it to the left side? It would be nice if the horizontal position knob zeroed the trigger point to the center on the first click and to the left on the second click, or had a setting somewhere specifying whether zero is the center or the left.

[alsetalokin4017]

What about moving the trigger point to the left w/ the horizontal controls?
Should do the trick, or not?

Cheers

Yep, simple enough. Thanks. Only complaint at this point is that the trigger point keeps moving around a bit as I change the time base. Any way to anchor it to the left side? It would be nice if the horizontal position knob zeroed the trigger point to the center on the first click and to the left on the second click, or had a setting somewhere specifying whether zero is the center or the left.

As you change the timebase, the trigger point remains at the same _time_ delay or advance wrt the center of the screen, you can tell this by looking at the "D" value in the very top box second from rightmost.  Hence the orange "T" trigger symbol moves as you change the timebase. Just set it manually wherever you want it before doing a single-shot capture. Is this terribly inconvenient?

[quantalume]

Just set it manually wherever you want it before doing a single-shot capture. Is this terribly inconvenient?

It can be inconvenient at times. For example, if I don't know how long a pulse train is going to be, then I have to keep changing the time base and repositioning the trigger point. I've resigned myself to just sticking with the center of the screen as the trigger zero point, at least until I've learned more about the waveform under observation.

[MT]

I was about to buy a 1054z but sadly to say i had a second thought because i come across the 1054 bug and wish list and the fact the input bandwith is dived among the channels but my problem is i dont need all the fancy bells and whistles, i happily trade RS232, SPI, maths etc, etc for increased bandwith/speed and simplicity.What i need is scope that do example 400Mhz, FFT, freq counting,PW and and who can do screen dumps in a suitable bitmap format for similarly amount of money and that's about it. I dont have the time or patience to read all the million posts about different scopes but with my requirements i'm i stuck with old secondhand analogs market or is there something new like this around?

Thanks for any info and your time regarding this!

[alsetalokin4017]

Just set it manually wherever you want it before doing a single-shot capture. Is this terribly inconvenient?

It can be inconvenient at times. For example, if I don't know how long a pulse train is going to be, then I have to keep changing the time base and repositioning the trigger point. I've resigned myself to just sticking with the center of the screen as the trigger zero point, at least until I've learned more about the waveform under observation.

Is there some kind of scope that acts differently? Don't we all do just exactly this when we are looking at a waveform for the first time?

Could you use the Rigol's advanced triggering features, like "nth edge" or "delayed" for example, to get more of what you want?

[alsetalokin4017]

I was about to buy a 1054z but sadly to say i had a second thought because i come across the 1054 bug and wish list and the fact the input bandwith is dived among the channels but my problem is i dont need all the fancy bells and whistles, i happily trade RS232, SPI, maths etc, etc for increased bandwith/speed and simplicity.What i need is scope that do example 400Mhz, FFT, freq counting,PW and and who can do screen dumps in a suitable bitmap format for similarly amount of money and that's about it. I dont have the time or patience to read all the million posts about different scopes but with my requirements i'm i stuck with old secondhand analogs market or is there something new like this around?

Thanks for any info and your time regarding this!

Well.... if you can find a 4-channel secondhand analog scope with 400 MHz bw that will do FFT, Frequency counting, pulse width and screendumps for 400 dollars, and comes with 4 probes... buy it, by all means!

Otherwise, get a Rigol 1054z, unlock it to 100 MHz and just don't use the features you don't want. Do you really need 400 MHz bandwidth, on your budget?

Is there an inexpensive DSO that does not "divide input bandwidth among the channels?"