New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope

[rstofer]

Some of what I've read seem to be related to obscure settings.

Yes. Some of them seem to be obscure batches of hardware that most people will never own.

Other's I'm not sure about, mostly because I do not have the scope or anything similar that I can experiment with.

The DS1054Z is a very useful device at an unbelievable price. You're not doing yourself any favors by reading these "bug" threads. You have to work hard to get most of the bugs to appear. Some people take several attempts to get the settings just right (see previous page). In normal use you'll never see them (insert somebody saying "those settings are normal for me")

If a function is really, really important to you then make sure it's not on the list.

Otherwise ... just get one. You certainly won't regret it.

(and the next firmware update might even fix the few remaining bugs being debated here)

I read this entire thread about a month ago and decided to just ignore the entire sequence.  I bought the scope and it works for me.

It reminds me of the old joke:  Put 2 Marines in a room with two ball bearings.  Come back in ten minutes and one will be lost and other broken.

Just ignore this thread and buy the scope.  It'll work fine!

[Arlo1]

I have ultrascope for the ds1000e series.

But now I am trying to get ultrascope for the ds1000z series working and it says its installed and I can't find it on my computer....

I have ultrasigma do I open that to find the ultrascope?

I tried removing the old ultrascope to see if that would help with no luck.

It does not tell me where the file folder is for the installed untrascope and my computer search feature can not find it.

Using windows 7   anyone else have this problem?   I just use it for looking at data (waveforms) later on a flash drive.

[ProBang2]

Hello.

Start the DS1054Z.
Start Ultra Sigma.

In the Ultra Sigma window appears the scope.
Now klick with the right mousebutton on this entry.

Should show the following:

[Arlo1]

Ok thanks but I want to be able to look at saved files from my flash drive without hooking my scope up to my computer  will this allow that?

[Fungus]

Ok thanks but I want to be able to look at saved files from my flash drive without hooking my scope up to my computer  will this allow that?

You don't need ultrascope for that. Just plug the flash drive into your computer, there's the files.

[alsetalokin4017]

Some of what I've read seem to be related to obscure settings.

Yes. Some of them seem to be obscure batches of hardware that most people will never own.

Other's I'm not sure about, mostly because I do not have the scope or anything similar that I can experiment with.

The DS1054Z is a very useful device at an unbelievable price. You're not doing yourself any favors by reading these "bug" threads. You have to work hard to get most of the bugs to appear. Some people take several attempts to get the settings just right (see previous page). In normal use you'll never see them (insert somebody saying "those settings are normal for me")

Not true. Every bug I've reported has occurred in my normal use of the scope's ordinary functions.  I've even presented an ordinary setup where 5 bugs are present simultaneously.

Do you consider it using "obscure settings"  or difficult to achieve settings, to have _all_ Measurements stop working when a Math function is in use? I sure don't.

If a function is really, really important to you then make sure it's not on the list.

How is a person supposed to do that, if "you're not doing yourself any favors by reading thes "bug" threads"? Really, make up your mind. Either the bug threads are useful, or they aren't (then why are you reading them?)

Otherwise ... just get one. You certainly won't regret it.

(and the next firmware update might even fix the few remaining bugs being debated here)

Let's hope so, and that it does it without introducing several _new_ bugs like the last firmware update did.



I'll ask you again, Fungus: Do you actually own a Rigol DS1054z scope? What do you use it for? Can you post some representative screenshots from your own routine use of the scope.... if you have one?

And no... I certainly don't regret my choice of the DS1054z... after all, I'm looking at the _third_ physical unit sitting on my workbench now.....

[Arlo1]

Ok thanks but I want to be able to look at saved files from my flash drive without hooking my scope up to my computer  will this allow that?

You don't need ultrascope for that. Just plug the flash drive into your computer, there's the files.

Lol ok...  But my computer does not know how to open them......

[Fungus]

Just plug the flash drive into your computer, there's the files.

Lol ok...  But my computer does not know how to open them......

OK, so you know what to do next. Find out!

[JPortici]

Is this a bug?
i plug in an usb stick, press print. file saved (quick_screenshot_X. i plug out and no it was not saved.
i plug it in again, press print (a file with the same number as before: quick_screenshot_x). press print again, file saved (quick_screenshot_X+1) but when i plug the memory in and look at the files i only see quick_screenshot_x, the last file is never saved.

[Arlo1]

Just plug the flash drive into your computer, there's the files.

Lol ok...  But my computer does not know how to open them......

OK, so you know what to do next. Find out!

That's why I posted here.....   I let my computer search with no luck.  I downloaded ultrascope for 1104Z and no luck and I have searched online with no luck.....

[bitseeker]

Arlo,

The scope can save several different kinds of files. Which kind are you saving and trying to view on the computer?

[Karel]

That's why I posted here.....   I let my computer search with no luck.  I downloaded ultrascope for 1104Z and no luck and I have searched online with no luck.....

It's not completely clear to me what you want to achive. Do you want to visualize saved waveforms on your pc?
In that case use Scilab, Octave or EDFbrowser. They are all free.

http://www.scilab.org/

https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/

http://www.teuniz.net/edfbrowser/

[Fungus]

Just plug the flash drive into your computer, there's the files.

Lol ok...  But my computer does not know how to open them......

OK, so you know what to do next. Find out!

That's why I posted here..... 

But... you didn't tell us what sort of file you're looking at and trying to open.

[bitwelder]

But... you didn't tell us what sort of file you're looking at and trying to open.

And didn't tell either what type of computer is being used that operation.

[Arlo1]

Just plug the flash drive into your computer, there's the files.

Lol ok...  But my computer does not know how to open them......

OK, so you know what to do next. Find out!

That's why I posted here..... 

But... you didn't tell us what sort of file you're looking at and trying to open.

.wfm  files.   I was using ultra scope to look at them with my ds2052e but now I can't do that.    I save them on my flash drive at my shop then bring them home and if I have any questions about the data I can open it on my laptop or desktop at home which are both running windows 7.   Sorry I thought I posted all of this the first time I asked about it.   

[metrologist]

Thanks for the replies and video links (which I will watch presently).

I have a question again about decoding and recording a signal. There is 12M memory. About how long in seconds of a typical 115kbps serial comm could it record, and then would it be able to decode any segment later, once positioned in the display? Could this saved signal be transferred in some way to a computer, perhaps as CSV or other data format, and then analyzed on a PC with other software (such as Rigol's or other)?

I think I am weakening and desire just to have will overcome. 

[Karel]

There is 12M memory.

Nope, there's 24Mpts. You just need to "activate" it.

About how long in seconds of a typical 115kbps serial comm could it record, and then would it be able to decode any segment later, once positioned in the display?

Depends on the selected timebase & samplerate. With only one channel switched on, you can set the timebase to 1 sec/div.
Samplerate will be 2MSa/s which is acceptable for 115K2bps and you can "record" 12 seconds.

There's a caveat. When you zoom into the signal for decoding, the bit stream must be positioned horizontally in such a way
that the first visible bit on the screen is a startbit. If not, decoding will be incorrect.

Could this saved signal be transferred in some way to a computer, perhaps as CSV or other data format, and then analyzed on a PC with other software (such as Rigol's or other)?

Yes.

[metzjtm]

Anyone knows when they had changed the Boot Version to "0.0.1.4"?
And why the change was necessary?
(Is the new Boot Version included in the software update?)

I got mine on 4/22/2016 it is 0.0.1.4 boot  and Firmware 0.2.3.11 also CPLD Ver. 1.1 and board 0.1.1. I have not been able to do the upgrade.

[metzjtm]

I have not been successful with the 1054Z speed upgrade. Invalid key err. I hope I am missing something. It's just so straight forward.   

edit: I think I'll try telnet from a fedora 23 box. Just have to find the process in the manual. Wish me luck.

[alsetalokin4017]

I have not been successful with the 1054Z speed upgrade. Invalid key err. I hope I am missing something. It's just so straight forward.   

edit: I think I'll try telnet from a fedora 23 box. Just have to find the process in the manual. Wish me luck.

Check your PMs. And don't keep trying an invalid key, you'll get locked out for 12 hours of runtime if you fail three times.

[ProBang2]

@ metzjtm

Please modify your post to do the quote correct.

Indeed I had no problem to hack the scope (Trigger, Memory, Bandwidth) with the generated key from the known website.

[alsetalokin4017]

If you have correctly set up your IP connection to your LAN using DHCP you should see a screen something like this, in Utility>IO Setting>LAN Conf.

Then you can use your telnet application to talk to the scope on port 5555:

telnet [IP Address] 5555

and telnet should tell you it's connected. Check by asking for the device ID:

*IDN?

The scope should reply with its model, SN and software version.

Then you can send SCPI commands to install/remove Options, control the scope remotely, etc. The SCPI commands are found in the Programming Guide:
http://www.batronix.com/pdf/Rigol/ProgrammingGuide/MSO1000Z_DS1000Z_ProgrammingGuide_EN.pdf

[metzjtm]

@ metzjtm

Please modify your post to do the quote correct.

Indeed I had no problem to hack the scope (Trigger, Memory, Bandwidth) with the generated key from the known website.

ProBang2 I only have 3 post. I can not find the one with the offending problem. I am happy to correct the problem if I can find it. The Jim Bean may have gotten in my eye. Sorry

Thank You alsetalokin4017 for you help with the Rigol DS1054. Looks like we now know the upgrade will work with the 1.4 boot and 4.3.2.3 software via telnet.

OK ProBang2 I think I found what you mean. fixed. Thanks for the heads up!

[freebil]

Hello. I am interested in buying an oscilloscope and I would like to know some things.

1) For ds1054z, what it shows if I put a sine wave 70Mhz? Is it showing something different than if the ds1054z is hacked to 100Mhz?
2) For hacked ds1054z, is 100Mhz the absolute limit? What it shows for 110Mhz signals?

Thanks.

[xrunner]

Hello. I am interested in buying an oscilloscope and I would like to know some things.

1) For ds1054z, what it shows if I put a sine wave 70Mhz? Is it showing something different than if the ds1054z is hacked to 100Mhz?

It still shows a sine wave, it's just lower in amplitude.

2) For hacked ds1054z, is 100Mhz the absolute limit? What it shows for 110Mhz signals?

Still shows signals way above 110 MHz, they are simply attenuated. 100 MHz is just the -3 dB point.

Edit: I'll post a screen shot to this effect later ...