New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope

[Fungus]

There has been third-party information that a firmware update is coming in a month or so.

Oh, dear. That's bad news for certain forum members...

[bitseeker]

Maybe, but I'm not saying anything until it arrives. Might be better, could be worse.

[alsetalokin4017]

Let's hope they at least give the new firmware an honest try (and have the spellings reviewed by native speakers of each available language) before they release it into the wild.

(I suppose the ability to roll back to earlier versions is too much to ask for.)   

[bitseeker]

Yeah, being able to roll back would remove much of the trepidation about installing new firmware. Without being able to roll back and given Rigol's track record on QA thus far, I will not install new firmware until it's been in the wild for a while. It's not like I have a bunch of these lying around where I can sacrifice one "for science".

This may be an oscilloscope in function, but it's fundamentally a computer running software. Rigol would do well to take a page from the IT industry's playbook about how to produce, document, and deploy updates. At least they have release notes nowadays, though those could still be improved.

[Howardlong]

Let's hope they at least give the new firmware an honest try (and have the spellings reviewed by native speakers of each available language) before they release it into the wild.

Ill second that, you've really got you finger on the plus.

[Fungus]

Rigol would do well to take a page from the IT industry's playbook about how to produce, document, and deploy updates.

Endless nag screens telling you to update to Rigol 10?

[bitseeker]

LOL! Microsoft is not a good example.

Side note: I've used Linux, OS X, and Windows for a long time. Of the three, Windows has been and continues to be the most irritating, infuriating, and productivity sapping platform.

[BFX]

LOL! Microsoft is not a good example.

Side note: I've used Linux, OS X, and Windows for a long time. Of the three, Windows has been and continues to be the most irritating, infuriating, and productivity sapping platform.

I "believe" you  typical enthusiast without any experience in professional sector.

[bitseeker]

That's OK, you don't have to believe me. My statement is about my own experiences, which were similar in professional and personal environments over the years. Your mileage may vary.

[thomastheo]

There has been third-party information that a firmware update is coming in a month or so.

Oh, dear. That's bad news for certain forum members...

Forgive my ignorance, but why would this be a bad thing? I just got mine today, and wondering to apply the 'upgrade' now or wait until new firmware comes out.

[bitseeker]

If you already have SP2 firmware on yours, you need do nothing. If you have an earlier firmware and don't require the fixes or features in newer versions of firmware, then you can continue using what you have. SP2 introduced some new bugs.

We do not have official information about all the changes in the upcoming firmware.

[ebastler]

There has been third-party information that a firmware update is coming in a month or so.

Oh, dear. That's bad news for certain forum members...

Forgive my ignorance, but why would this be a bad thing? I just got mine today, and wondering to apply the 'upgrade' now or wait until new firmware comes out.

I think the tongue-in-cheek icon was missing in Fungus' post. Some forum members have been dwelling at length on the existence of certain software flaws in the DS1000Z scopes, the perceived lack of timely bugfix releases etc.. So these members might now need to look for something else to complain about.

Or maybe Rigol will provide them with that something, by introducing new flaws in the new release... 

[alsetalokin4017]

No one would be happier than I, to see all the previous flaws fixed, without the introduction of new ones, in some new firmware release.

Although I do find it amusing sometimes to see people saying stuff like "I never use that setting, so stop complaining that it doesn't work properly for you. After all, it's only 400 dollars."

[xrunner]

Although I do find it amusing sometimes to see people saying stuff like "I never use that setting, so stop complaining that it doesn't work properly for you. After all, it's only 400 dollars."

LOL - I'd like to ask people - at what price, exactly, is everything on an oscilloscope supposed to work properly, if not at $400? 

$425 ...
$495
$517 ...

[CustomEngineerer]

Although I do find it amusing sometimes to see people saying stuff like "I never use that setting, so stop complaining that it doesn't work properly for you. After all, it's only 400 dollars."

LOL - I'd like to ask people - at what price, exactly, is everything on an oscilloscope supposed to work properly, if not at $400? 

$425 ...
$495
$517 ...

$689.23, and not a cent less.

[Fungus]

Forgive my ignorance, but why would this be a bad thing?

Only for a handful of forum members. For everybody else it's good.

I just got mine today, and wondering to apply the 'upgrade' now or wait until new firmware comes out.

a) You might already have the latest version.

b) Firmware updates don't magically transform your oscilloscope and make everything better. If you're not blocked by a very specific problem that you know is fixed by updating the firmware then I say leave it alone.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Plus: There's always a very tiny (but non-zero) chance that an update will go horribly wrong and brick your scope.

Me? I haven't applied last November's update yet. I'd probably do it it I needed a better FFT, but I don't, so... 


PS: It's really up to you. I'm old and wise but you just got a new 'scope and want it to be the best 'scope it can be(!)  I'd understand.

[et328]

b) Firmware updates don't magically transform your oscilloscope and make everything better.

Yes they do:

 

[McBryce]

Can you post a link to that firmware file?

McBryce.

[Fungus]

b) Firmware updates don't magically transform your oscilloscope and make everything better.

Yes they do:

I knew I was going to regret posting that.

I own a DSO quad (open source pocket oscilloscope). A different firmware can totally transform that, I think there's even a firmware to play Tetris on it.

[alsetalokin4017]

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Me? I haven't applied last November's update yet. I'd probably do it it I needed a better FFT, but I don't, so... 


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And yet, you seem to be critical of those of us who have applied that update and are not happy with the problems it introduces.

 

[ebastler]

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I wonder if the forum software has an option to ignore posts from user A, but only if they include a quote from user B (or vice versa).   
Following these constant quarrels is not fun anymore...

[Fungus]

And yet, you seem to be critical of those of us who have applied that update and are not happy with the problems it introduces.

I'm only critical of people of the people who invade every single thread that mentions the DS1054Z and try to turn it into their own personal Rigol-bashing thread.

eg. The "DS1054Z noise" thread that you recently invaded.

[oxigencult]

Hi to all.

I recently bought this model. it comes with  00.04.03.sp2 and board 0.1.1



my questions is if I should I apply the "patch" on the current firmware? and if I upgrade will I lose it? or upgrade firmware first if there is any new better firmware?


Thanks,

João

[MarkF]

If by "patch" you mean the hacks for BW, Trigger, Decoders and Memory, it doesn't matter when you apply them.  Updating the firmware doesn't change the what has been applied.  If you do, be sure to use DSER for everything except the 500uV/Div which doesn't work.

[oxigencult]

If by "patch" you mean the hacks for BW, Trigger, Decoders and Memory, it doesn't matter when you apply them.  Updating the firmware doesn't change the what has been applied.  If you do, be sure to use DSER for everything except the 500uV/Div which doesn't work.

Yes, I mean the hacks. I'm, aware of the DSER option.


Thanks for your reply,

João