New Rigol DS7000

[fact]

I used the tracking generator in my SAA3021x.

[jemangedeslolos]

DHL lost my package 

[Sighound36]

Measured the bandwidth of my MSO7000 with a RF-generator, -3dB frequency at 760MHz for CH1.
This was pretty close to the estimated bandwidth of 810MHz using a Bodnar fast rise-time generator.

I have measured three via this means using a E4433b and they were all different, the best one I measured was 818Mhz @-3 dB the least was 787Mhz @ -3dB the bodar equated 830 and 870Mhz

The 8000 was reading 2.216Ghz@-3dB and 168ps on the Bodnar

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-mso-8000/msg2823500/#msg2823500

The Wavepro254 measures 2.687Ghz@-3dB the bodnar reads 158ps on that scope

[wat]

Did anybody try the latest FW 1.2.0.5 for the MS/DS7000?

FW link here: https://int.rigol.com/En/Index/listView/catid/28/tp/6/wd/7000

[jemangedeslolos]

I have the lastest....but i almost didn't use my scope with previous firmware.

What do you want to know ?

There are still some bugs I have to address but aybe you have a specific request ?

[wat]

Well, mainly if it possible to "enhance it" it as I did with the previous FW

[jemangedeslolos]

I can't answer you on this, I didn't apply the patch as I did on my previous MSO5000.

[Leon23]

Jemangedeslolos:
I read you went for the 7000 series coming from 5000 series, what was the main motivation? I assume you hacked the 5000 to 350 MHz.
Was it possible to fully upgrade the MSO7014 to 500MHz?

I might be able to come across an used RTB2004 for 2000e but havent decided what scope to purchase yet.

[Sighound36]

HI Leon

A fully opened up 7000 equates to around 830Mhz, but it is a different animal to 5000.

[jemangedeslolos]

Don't look at my post above, it is also because of Sighound36 that I switched to MSO7000 

[jemangedeslolos]

And I must say that I find that an used RTB2004 for 2000€ is very expensive unless it is full featured.
If it has no option, you might as well buy it new. I received a private message right here from a reseller who offered me 20% on the entire R&S range.

[Leon23]

Thanks both for your input. It is the RTB2004 fully featured for 2000e (rarely used). It seemed like a better choice than MSO5000 series with a more mature firmware and less bugs, 10 bit ADC and better display.

I am missing out active probe interface and possibly some megahertz, therefore I´m trying to see whether or not someone have successfully hacked the 7000 series :-). The SDS5000 series does also look interesting but cannot find if there is any hack available.

BTW what is the difference between MSO7014 and DSO7014, did the MSO series include the LA?

[tautech]

The SDS5000 series does also look interesting but cannot find if there is any hack available.

There certainly is if you hunt hard enough here.   

[Sighound36]

Thanks both for your input.

I am missing out active probe interface and possibly some megahertz, therefore I´m trying to see whether or not someone have successfully hacked the 7000 series

BTW what is the difference between MSO7014 and DSO7014, did the MSO series include the LA?

The 7000 series is fully upgradeable via non purchase methods 

The mso does include a 16 channel LA probe

The 7000 has a larger screen better touch experiance, 10G/s sample rate and 500Mpts of deep memory it's a grown up version of the 5000 a nice user experience. The bode plot function is due very very soon as well for both the 7000/8000 series

We have the 5000, 7000 and 8000 Rigol models and use them every day we like them.

Martin72 made a very good observation regarding the 5000 its rough diamond and he was spot on it's just seriously good value with a plethora or options. It is being thamed nicely now

The 7000 is more refined, nicer user experience coupled with more raw horsepower plus a superb 500mpts of deep memory and 10G/s plus a genuine 50 Ohm  scope termination and probe recognition.

It also has the ability to perform multi domain analysis with its inputs which may prove useful as well.

hope that helps

Sighound

[nctnico]

We have the 5000, 7000 and 8000 Rigol models and use them every day we like them.

Can you eloborate a bit further on the use cases for which you use these oscilloscopes / what kind of work they are used for? Since you have also been shopping for a higher end oscilloscope I'm very interested in your opinion and experiences where it comes to the Rigol oscilloscopes.

[jemangedeslolos]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

[Martin72]

 

[tv84]

We have the 5000, 7000 and 8000 Rigol models and use them every day we like them.

How many people are "we"?

[tv84]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

 

I perfectly understand Nico's request. Sighound is one of those sensible members that has real experience on test equipments that range from $1k to $100k and can say unbiased words for all of them from a user perspective, and not as a seller or paid demonstrator.

[jemangedeslolos]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

 

I perfectly understand Nico's request. Sighound is one of those sensible members that has real experience on test equipments that range from $1k to $100k and can say unbiased words for all of them from a user perspective, and not as a seller or paid demonstrator.

I too understand very well. You advised me to ask him for the MSO7000... So I harassed him by pm 
I am sure that he will never admit it publicly but he told me that he is so happy with his MSO7000, that he is ready to exchange mine for his last little Lecroy.

[nctnico]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

 

I perfectly understand Nico's request. Sighound is one of those sensible members that has real experience on test equipments that range from $1k to $100k and can say unbiased words for all of them from a user perspective, and not as a seller or paid demonstrator.

I too understand very well. You advised me to ask him for the MSO7000... So I harassed him by pm 
I am sure that he will never admit it publicly but he told me that he is so happy with his MSO7000, that he is ready to exchange mine for his last little Lecroy.

That is not entirely true to put it mildy. You did ask me a very generic question about 1000 to 2000 euro oscilloscopes without mentioning any specific brand and/or model which I didn't answer over a month ago. I'm sorry for not answering but I had some deadlines to catch at that time but that shouldn't result in the kind of mud slinging you are doing right now. If you wrote your posting while drunk then I strongly suggest to put an alcohol lock on your keyboard.
Edit: cleared up by the post below now.

[jemangedeslolos]

I wanted to say that I asked Sighound36....
And I'm fine, thank you very much. We don't have the same sense of humor if you do have one.
Just wanted to grad some general info from more experienced user than me. Not a big deal if you had too much work at that time but I was not referring to this.

[stafil]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

If that's what it take for you to leave this world in peace, then let's all chip-in and buy him a Rigol! I am happy to put in the first $50

[jemangedeslolos]

I was just kidding again 
I was a little surprised because If you search on the forum all the evil that Nico thinks about Rigol, there will be so much info that you are going to put down the eevblog forum, maybe the whole Internet and burn Australia once again.

[nctnico]

I was just kidding again 
I was a little surprised because If you search on the forum all the evil that Nico thinks about Rigol, there will be so much info that you are going to put down the eevblog forum, maybe the whole Internet and burn Australia once again.

You have to realise that everything is in constant motion. Including Rigol and thus my opinion. I'm always interested to learn about the use cases from someone who is doing serious work with an oscilloscope and what lead to buying a particular model. Those use cases may not match mine but they could match one of my customer's so if that comes up I have some good suggestions for them to consider.