New Rigol DS7000

[tv84]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

 

I perfectly understand Nico's request. Sighound is one of those sensible members that has real experience on test equipments that range from $1k to $100k and can say unbiased words for all of them from a user perspective, and not as a seller or paid demonstrator.

[jemangedeslolos]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

 

I perfectly understand Nico's request. Sighound is one of those sensible members that has real experience on test equipments that range from $1k to $100k and can say unbiased words for all of them from a user perspective, and not as a seller or paid demonstrator.

I too understand very well. You advised me to ask him for the MSO7000... So I harassed him by pm 
I am sure that he will never admit it publicly but he told me that he is so happy with his MSO7000, that he is ready to exchange mine for his last little Lecroy.

[nctnico]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

 

I perfectly understand Nico's request. Sighound is one of those sensible members that has real experience on test equipments that range from $1k to $100k and can say unbiased words for all of them from a user perspective, and not as a seller or paid demonstrator.

I too understand very well. You advised me to ask him for the MSO7000... So I harassed him by pm 
I am sure that he will never admit it publicly but he told me that he is so happy with his MSO7000, that he is ready to exchange mine for his last little Lecroy.

That is not entirely true to put it mildy. You did ask me a very generic question about 1000 to 2000 euro oscilloscopes without mentioning any specific brand and/or model which I didn't answer over a month ago. I'm sorry for not answering but I had some deadlines to catch at that time but that shouldn't result in the kind of mud slinging you are doing right now. If you wrote your posting while drunk then I strongly suggest to put an alcohol lock on your keyboard.
Edit: cleared up by the post below now.

[jemangedeslolos]

I wanted to say that I asked Sighound36....
And I'm fine, thank you very much. We don't have the same sense of humor if you do have one.
Just wanted to grad some general info from more experienced user than me. Not a big deal if you had too much work at that time but I was not referring to this.

[stafil]

If ntnico buys a Rigol scope for himself, I think I can leave this world in peace. I will have lived everything.
As they can record data beyond the screen, nothing is impossible 

If that's what it take for you to leave this world in peace, then let's all chip-in and buy him a Rigol! I am happy to put in the first $50

[jemangedeslolos]

I was just kidding again 
I was a little surprised because If you search on the forum all the evil that Nico thinks about Rigol, there will be so much info that you are going to put down the eevblog forum, maybe the whole Internet and burn Australia once again.

[nctnico]

I was just kidding again 
I was a little surprised because If you search on the forum all the evil that Nico thinks about Rigol, there will be so much info that you are going to put down the eevblog forum, maybe the whole Internet and burn Australia once again.

You have to realise that everything is in constant motion. Including Rigol and thus my opinion. I'm always interested to learn about the use cases from someone who is doing serious work with an oscilloscope and what lead to buying a particular model. Those use cases may not match mine but they could match one of my customer's so if that comes up I have some good suggestions for them to consider.

[2N3055]

You have to realise that everything is in constant motion. Including Rigol and thus my opinion. I'm always interested to learn about the use cases from someone who is doing serious work with an oscilloscope and what lead to buying a particular model. Those use cases may not match mine but they could match one of my customer's so if that comes up I have some good suggestions for them to consider.

You are very right about this.

[jealcuna]

Hi, I am following the guide https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg2682411/#msg2682411 to hack my MSO7014 oscilloscope, however I can not find the Bpatch file for my version 00.01.02.00.05 and model. Does anybody has the file or guide trough another solution?

Thank you very much for the effort in the forum. c:

[jealcuna]

Thanks to tv84, here is an happy owner of an "upgraded" MSO7014!!!
500MHz and all the options enabled!

I have the latest FW downloaded from the Rigol main website:
https://rigol.com/supports/software-firmware-download_3.html  (Google Chrome is great to translate pages in Chinese!)

Can you guide me with the part of Bpatch file? Do you create this file? Have you update fw to 00.01.02.00.05 and hacked again?

[jealcuna]

For those guys that want do play with their MSO/DS7000 here is a .GEL to temporarily open the SSH port.

I can add, that the updating message does not disappear, however, the ssh access is allowed. By restarting the oscilloscope ssh access is lost.

[jemangedeslolos]

I was just kidding again 
I was a little surprised because If you search on the forum all the evil that Nico thinks about Rigol, there will be so much info that you are going to put down the eevblog forum, maybe the whole Internet and burn Australia once again.

You have to realise that everything is in constant motion. Including Rigol and thus my opinion. I'm always interested to learn about the use cases from someone who is doing serious work with an oscilloscope and what lead to buying a particular model. Those use cases may not match mine but they could match one of my customer's so if that comes up I have some good suggestions for them to consider.

It was exactly the meaning of the question I asked you by mp. I wanted the advice of someone more experienced than me, who has advanced uses and who could have had a favorite in this price range for every day use as I also need a scope at home in case of sick child.
I am fully aware that things are moving. The surprise comes from the fact that YOU may have just realized it.
I think I don't need to remind anyone that you spit tirelessly on Rigol, at every possible opportunity so Im not the one that have to "realize" something.

[Sighound36]

Morning chaps

Yes indeed jemangedeslolos did suggest that having another 7000 in place of the LeCroy would be beneficial for me and providing an exchange service would be advantageous for both of us 

Tv84 the 'we' relates to myself, my son and good tech that is on the staff, we all use Rigol's kit every day, personally I use the 8000 which is a very good scope with features that would cost at least 14k alone on the Tek/Keysight/Lecroy and it does it very well, plus it sports a seriously deep memory.

We specialize in ultra quiet linear and switch mode power supplies, audio master clocks, RF harvesting and green energy projects. We also have the Lecroy for pure R&D it's more accurate and has serial data tools that are superb, however the 8000 is the workhorse and its decent for the outlay

We use a great many manufacturers equipment from Tek/R&S/Keysight/Keithley/Rigol/Kikusiu/Agilent/Tekbox/TTI/Picoscope/Flir/Fluke.

We have no association with any of the vendors other than we use all of the big four (and others) they all gave professional quality service and advice. I purchase what I feel is the right piece for the job in hand, the badge is not important, the product performance is.

Totally understand that other purchasers will have other individual requirements and their findings will be different from ours.

Hope that helps

Sighound36

[Gandalf_Sr]

jemangedeslolos,

I usually get when you are joking and I appreciate it, it gives me a much needed laugh.  I too joke around sometimes with obscure references to Monty Python (not a programming language) sketches (sorry not an Arduino project) that many won't understand.

Some people do seem afflicted by an inability to be teased or laugh at themselves.

nctnico, I fart in your general direction. (this is a joke, it is a reference to the Monty Python Holy Grail movie where King Arthur and his men, on the quest to find the Holy Grail, meet the French soldiers at a castle).

[tv84]

Hi, I am following the guide https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg2682411/#msg2682411 to hack my MSO7014 oscilloscope, however I can not find the Bpatch file for my version 00.01.02.00.05 and model. Does anybody has the file or guide trough another solution?

jealcuna,

My telnet script is supposed to get hang and be temporary. Those are features, not bugs.

I could, but I won't, share a patch solution. I do that only when nobody else has been able to.

But there is enough information in the forum for anyone who has a real interest/need to easily make his own DS7000 patch, since the MSO5000 patching is almost the same but with different offsets.

These .GEL files are .tar files so any packer, like 7zip, can unpack/pack these .GEL files.

[2N3055]

jemangedeslolos,

I usually get when you are joking and I appreciate it, it gives me a much needed laugh.  I too joke around sometimes with obscure references to Monty Python (not a programming language) sketches (sorry not an Arduino project) that many won't understand.

Some people do seem afflicted by an inability to be teased or laugh at themselves.

nctnico, I fart in your general direction. (this is a joke, it is a reference to the Monty Python Holy Grail movie where King Arthur and his men, on the quest to find the Holy Grail, meet the French soldiers at a castle).

I proclaim Rigol 7000 is not good enough. It doesn't have a shrubbery! Nii!!

[jealcuna]

Hi, I am following the guide https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg2682411/#msg2682411 to hack my MSO7014 oscilloscope, however I can not find the Bpatch file for my version 00.01.02.00.05 and model. Does anybody has the file or guide trough another solution?

jealcuna,

My telnet script is supposed to get hang and be temporary. Those are features, not bugs.

I could, but I won't, share a patch solution. I do that only when nobody else has been able to.

But there is enough information in the forum for anyone who has a real interest/need to easily make his own DS7000 patch, since the MSO5000 patching is almost the same but with different offsets.

These .GEL files are .tar files so any packer, like 7zip, can unpack/pack these .GEL files.

You totally misunderstand me, I am not saying that the behavior of telnet script is a bug. I am just clarifying the expected behavior if any other user want to check the script.

Anyway, I was requesting help, because yes, I am lost, and does not mean that I am not interested in make my patch. If you do not want to help, it is ok, but not put words in my mouth and make a judgement without put in the place of others.

Thank you very much.

[Leon23]

Did you manage to unlock your 7014? 

[jealcuna]

Did you manage to unlock your 7014? 

Almost, hahaha. Well I could disassemble appentry file and I check the offset suggested by mabl in mso5k thread, and it has the same instruction. However I am not sure if the complete behavior is the same. I can not assume that mso5k and mso7k with different fw versions has the same behavior. It could be a coincidence or not, anyway, I will not take risks so I have not performed any modification.

I decided to use the promotion license of rigol, and I am happy with all functionalities. It does not enable more memory and bw, but for my immediate work, it's enough.

I was playing with waveform generator in arbitrary mode and I save some .arb files to usb. I create a python script in order to create custom signals and save it in the same format as oscilloscope. The only thing that I have not figured out is the interpolation mode.

This is my first oscilloscope so I am really exiting for all the features. So any advice, or hint, that you can share, I will be deeply thankful.

[tv84]

Well I could disassemble appentry file and I check the offset suggested by mabl in mso5k thread, and it has the same instruction. However I am not sure if the complete behavior is the same. I can not assume that mso5k and mso7k with different fw versions has the same behavior. It could be a coincidence or not, anyway, I will not take risks so I have not performed any modification.

I say it again: "the MSO5000 patching is almost the same but with different offsets."

Anyone who is able to see what is patched in the MSO5000 can easily find the same disassembly in the 7000.

BTW, the risk of bricking the scope is negligible because there is always the bootloader update method.

[jemangedeslolos]

Hello,

Has anyone ever tried to loop TRIG OUT to EXT TRIG?

I tried this to engage the totalizer on EXT TRIG but it doesn't work.
I checked my TRIG OUT signal and it's OK.
I checked my EXT TRIG input and the totalizer function with my AWG and it's OK.
I checked my cable and it's OK.

The only thing I haven't checked is the TRIG OUT signal level.

Any ideas ?

Thank you 

[fact]

I just installed fresh firmware in my MSO7000.
This text is from the release notes:

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[Supported Model]    All the MSO/DS7000 Series Digital Oscilloscopes
[Latest Revision Date] 2020/06/18

[Updated Contents]
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v00.01.02.00.06  2020/06/18
       
     - In the calibration part, fine delay calibration between channels is added

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No major changes, XY-operation still a blob moving over the screen, no Bode plot, .....

[vimijsc]

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