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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2019, 05:52:07 pm »
Update: The VSA option for RSA5000 series cost USA $1999

It seems like not much interest in the RSA5000 at all...perhaps not selling well...
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2019, 01:13:58 pm »
hobbyists will look to used market or other products instead.

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2019, 01:43:20 pm »
Maybe some teasing could change things a little since these RSA seem to be very nice tools.
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2019, 05:00:07 am »
Maybe some teasing could change things a little since these RSA seem to be very nice tools.

Oh boy! Can we get the scoop on what is going on in this picture?!  :-/O

Despite these units being released sometime ago there's still literally no "real world" reviews on the RSA... 
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2019, 08:53:31 am »
Maybe some teasing could change things a little since these RSA seem to be very nice tools.

Despite these units being released sometime ago there's still literally no "real world" reviews on the RSA...

I concur with you Sparky virtually impossible to find any non manufacturer marketing video's why hasn't Dave had one apart yet!

Would love to see these spectrum analyzers being given the Dave treatment, still looking for a SA myself!
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2019, 07:01:35 pm »
Oh boy! Can we get the scoop on what is going on in this picture?!  :-/O

That was the appetizer. These images are the main course.

As all can see, it seems the RSA3000 3GHz is upgradable up to RSA5000 6.5GHz.   :popcorn:

I don't have the knowledge for a review but these equipments definitely deserve a walk-through by any of the experts around here.

Edit: added several images including the VSA application.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2019, 10:10:06 pm by tv84 »
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2019, 08:59:10 pm »
nice, however model number and option is half of the story, it would be great to see if/how the TG performs after mod
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2019, 09:04:50 pm »
nice, however model number and option is half of the story, it would be great to see if/how the TG performs after mod

You're right but, FWIW, it's a "feature" not a mod so I think it should perform as the original...
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2019, 03:24:13 am »
Oh boy! Can we get the scoop on what is going on in this picture?!  :-/O
That was the appetizer. These images are the main course.

WOW, now we're talking!!   :o  8)  If this doesn't bring some excitement to this product and further discussion here, nothing will!

I'm hoping Dave or Shahriar can do the honors and evaluate this RSA --- it seems there's a lot to like about it...but who knows the truth??
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2019, 12:25:03 pm »
If you have managed to open up the 3000 that would great, it would make the device a lot more attractive, any 3000 or 5000 owners out there comments would be welcome  :)
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2019, 04:44:08 am »
Oh boy! Can we get the scoop on what is going on in this picture?!  :-/O

That was the appetizer. These images are the main course.

As all can see, it seems the RSA3000 3GHz is upgradable up to RSA5000 6.5GHz.   :popcorn:

I don't have the knowledge for a review but these equipments definitely deserve a walk-through by any of the experts around here.

Edit: added several images including the VSA application.

@tv84:  Thanks for updating your post with pictures of VSA application!! This is an aspect that really interests me about this product.

Can you comment on VSA usage and how it has been in basic tests?

How does RSA3030 (~$5800) (with your mods) compare with SignalHound BB60C 6.0GHz (~$3000 USD)?

I hope Dave will tear this down and do a review...
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2019, 10:27:10 am »
Sparky

The original unit is 3030TG model (£4500) after some clever reorganization of the coding (TV84 has a wonderful way with code) the unit is now fully open with all options working 100% as they should with the full 6.5Ghz BW, and the VSA is performing spot on, which according to Rigol is only possible on a fully fledged 5000 series. You also benefit from improved SSB phase noise of -108dbc and DANL 165dbm.

Having lived with this unit for three months I feel it really delivers plus the benefits of a RTSA are now invaluable.

The EMI option has many levels which do take so time to get your head around, but no substitute for just using the unit daily. VSA is also very useful and again had many layers with demodulation variant analysis, do not profess to understand them all but I am getting there!

The unit is particularly useful for 5Ghz wifi signal analysis and in depth circuit board RFI discovery and remedy and really zooming in with the Real time mode and identifying those potential RFI black-spots that need addressing.
I did try several other SA's from Keysight, R&S and Pico, all of which had the strengths and weakness (budget was £8K) for me personally the RSA3030 just works really well and has not given me any cause for concern performs really well, the unit is kept at straight eye level and is used daily.





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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2019, 11:15:52 am »
Can you comment on VSA usage and how it has been in basic tests?

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2019, 07:07:31 am »
@Sighound36, @tv84: Thanks for both your comments!  It seems you guys, and me as an observer, and the very few people quite excited by this RSA3030TG, and especially its capacity to be like the big brother.

Excellent to read your progress, Sighound, of getting to know the RSA, how you become comfortable using it daily and not experience any troubles.  In fact, it seems like no troubles at all!  Which is fantastic news!  I am a bit hesitant because we often find bugs with Rigol equipment firmware...but in this case the firmware seems mature/robust already.  Definitely a good start and features should get better with new releases.   :-+

I still hope for Dave's evaluation/teardown...or other independent vlog to compare and put it though its paces...
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2019, 07:55:44 am »
Hi Sparky

I know that people have concerns over Rigol FW and to an extent I would agree with some other models, genuinely have not had any gripes or obvious bugs with the RSA (different for the MSO5000 I might add, but its still a good piece imho).

Yesterday I engaged the unit twice once one with a Rb audio studio clock repair and the other for a wifi issue at 2.415Ghz, identifying in stock SA mode and really go deep with real time mode to identify the spurious signals for a suspect router

Not a Rigol fanboy either, I have pieces from Siglent, Keysight, Marconi, HP and Agilent all of which have a useful place in my lab.
Others may feel different  :)

Last week I purchased a the Siglent VNA unit and with the new FW it makes a solid basic VNA that performs some positive features that I require, towards the end of the year I will obtain a greater BW VNA but for the outlay its a nice piece and the basic SA is fine.

The RSA 3030 is one of the pieces that has slipped under the radar possibly due to its price, out of the DIY bracket but not taken seriously enough by the SME's or educational facilities. However Tv84 must take the credit for his exceptional tenacity with coding and understanding the structures of how various manufacturers go about their coding operations, so his modesty of being the sorcerers apprentice is a little misleading   8)

Having various manufacturers equipment side by side I find the RSA easy to use compared to say the Keysight (which I find clunky) however overall the balance is nice and takes a few days to competently fly.

These units are worth checking out if you are in the market for a quality SA with a lot of capabilities but as always do compare with others of the same abilities and live with them for a good couple of weeks before deciding to part with your funds.
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2019, 09:14:41 pm »
Last week I purchased a the Siglent VNA unit and with the new FW it makes a solid basic VNA that performs some positive features that I require, towards the end of the year I will obtain a greater BW VNA but for the outlay its a nice piece and the basic SA is fine.
FYI, there's a 3.2 GHz SVA coming later this year.
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2019, 02:47:27 pm »
Rigol RSA3000E

https://www.rigol.com/products/spectrum-analyzers/RSA3000E.html

What's the difference to the RSA3000 ?
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2019, 03:41:57 pm »
Rigol RSA3000E
What's the difference to the RSA3000 ?

Hmm, maybe it's Education segment model?  Might be cheaper?  I wonder about the internal hardware :)
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2019, 07:11:04 pm »
No it stands for economy. They start at 1,5 GHz, have only 10 MHz RT bandwidth, and interesting prices.
But, analog numbers look the same, and it might be only software lock... If that is so, with tv84 unlock, it might be a new hit...
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2019, 07:16:13 pm »
No it stands for economy. They start at 1,5 GHz, have only 10 MHz RT bandwidth, and interesting prices.
But, analog numbers look the same, and it might be only software lock... If that is so, with tv84 unlock, it might be a new hit...

Well, if that is the case, maybe it's a model that I've "seen" in the last few weeks and I was unable to go beyond 3 GHz...  Just a hunch...
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2019, 08:19:54 pm »
No it stands for economy. They start at 1,5 GHz, have only 10 MHz RT bandwidth, and interesting prices.
But, analog numbers look the same, and it might be only software lock... If that is so, with tv84 unlock, it might be a new hit...

Well, if that is the case, maybe it's a model that I've "seen" in the last few weeks and I was unable to go beyond 3 GHz...  Just a hunch...

For 1500€ (+VAT) fully unlocked RT SA and up to 3 GHz still a good deal
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2019, 12:08:49 am »
No it stands for economy. They start at 1,5 GHz, have only 10 MHz RT bandwidth, and interesting prices.
But, analog numbers look the same, and it might be only software lock... If that is so, with tv84 unlock, it might be a new hit...

Well, if that is the case, maybe it's a model that I've "seen" in the last few weeks and I was unable to go beyond 3 GHz...  Just a hunch...

Interesting... will hope for additional details sometime :D
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2019, 06:22:58 am »
No it stands for economy. They start at 1,5 GHz, have only 10 MHz RT bandwidth, and interesting prices.
But, analog numbers look the same, and it might be only software lock... If that is so, with tv84 unlock, it might be a new hit...

The specs/datasheets/prices for the RSA3000E series are now published on the (english) Rigol NA website!
https://www.rigolna.com/products/spectrum-analyzers/rsa3000/

I have not done side-by-side comparison of the datasheets yet...

@tv84 do you have any comments on RSA3015E-TG tweaking up to RSA5xyz-TG?  :-/O
 

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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2019, 02:40:21 pm »
@tv84 do you have any comments on RSA3015E-TG tweaking up to RSA5xyz-TG?  :-/O

I haven't seen one so I don't have any comments. Or the PCB is the same as in some 3030 or i couldn't have seen one because they haven't been out yet...

Certainly that, at least, a BW upgrade can be done. Don't know about a model change.
 
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Re: New Rigol RSA5000 Real Time Spectrum Analyser
« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2019, 04:25:24 pm »
@tv84 do you have any comments on RSA3015E-TG tweaking up to RSA5xyz-TG?  :-/O

I haven't seen one so I don't have any comments. Or the PCB is the same as in some 3030 or i couldn't have seen one because they haven't been out yet...

Certainly that, at least, a BW upgrade can be done. Don't know about a model change.

I will keep watching this space!  Hopefully one day we see tear down and comparison of internals for all these models :)
 


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