New Siglent SDS1202X-E oscilloscope based on Xilinx Zynq-7000 SoC architecture

[nctnico]

AFAIK GW Instek has their developers in Taiwan (which has not been held back by decades of communism and suppression of creative thinking) but because they are kinda Chinese as well they are in an excellent position to leverage cheap Chinese manufacturing.

[norks]

There's a reason the "B-brand" manufacturers are able to hit substantially lower pricepoints.  Good QC is expensive.  If brands like Siglent were to adopt the QC methods of the "A-brand" manufacturers, how exactly would you expect them to hit their current price targets? 

Another major factor in hitting those price points is reverse engineering the pioneering efforts in the A-brands' products. Big R&D savings there. 

[pascal_sweden]

I wonder where GW-Instek has their designers? Could it be North-Korea?

AFAIK GW Instek has their developers in Taiwan (which has not been held back by decades of communism and suppression of creative thinking) but because they are kinda Chinese as well they are in an excellent position to leverage cheap Chinese manufacturing.

[rstofer]

Anybody found the SDS 1202X-E available for sale in the US?

I would certainly like to see a review; Dave's tear-down was impressive.  This scope, other than channels, could unseat the DS1054Z as THE entry level scope.  200 MHz, free decoding, large screen, less than $400, what's not to like?

[tautech]

Anybody found the SDS 1202X-E available for sale in the US?

I would certainly like to see a review; Dave's tear-down was impressive.  This scope, other than channels, could unseat the DS1054Z as THE entry level scope.  200 MHz, free decoding, large screen, less than $400, what's not to like?

Not released yet, see below:

When will the scope actually be available?

To dealers in the next week or two, then with the time to have them shipped some of us should have them before the end of this month.

[rf-loop]

Anybody found the SDS 1202X-E available for sale in the US?

I would certainly like to see a review; Dave's tear-down was impressive.  This scope, other than channels, could unseat the DS1054Z as THE entry level scope.  200 MHz, free decoding, large screen, less than $400, what's not to like?

Personally I do not like this: Not large screen. It is 7" 800x480
But my eyes are old.

[tautech]

Wonder if FeDex have coughed up the production 200 MHz model at Dave's dumpster yet ?

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

Personally I do not like this: Not large screen. It is 7" 800x480

Neither do I, it's a step back.

[coppice]

Personally I do not like this: Not large screen. It is 7" 800x480

Neither do I, it's a step back.

Which entry level scope with a larger screen than 7" or a higher resolution than 800x480 is this a step back from?

[dimkasta]

I was thinking the same thing.
WVGA 800x480 is pretty much standard even on higher end scopes. There are some with 8" screens but the resolution is the same. Not really that a big of an issue.
I could only think of the Micsigs that have 8" 800x600, but they are completely different animals.

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

Which entry level scope with a larger screen than 7" or a higher resolution than 800x480 is this a step back from?

The SDS1kX (not -E)

[JPortici]

+1 for small screen
let's see the price first... if it'll be cheap as they say i think many won't care that it has a small screen

[dimkasta]

The SDS1kX (not -E)

That's 8" with the same 800x480  resolution

It makes some sense if you have eyesight issues. But if you do not, then you just get bigger pixels and less sharpness.
Not really a technological breakthrough.

[coppice]

Which entry level scope with a larger screen than 7" or a higher resolution than 800x480 is this a step back from?

The SDS1kX (not -E)

That's a more expensive machine. I know lots of more expensive machines with better features.

What $400 scope has a better screen?

[simone.pignatti]

+1 for small screen
let's see the price first... if it'll be cheap as they say i think many won't care that it has a small screen

Price is going to be Euro 359 + taxes
We should be ready to ship out units on last week of April.
As soon as we get units we will make a video testing it with generators.

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

It makes some sense if you have eyesight issues.

I do...

But if you do not, then you just get bigger pixels and less sharpness.

By that rule 3" would be even better, a "retina display scope" huh!

BTW, all the rigols have the same screen resolution, but the 1000z's are 7", 2000's are 8", 4000's are 9" and 6000's are 10", JFYI :-)

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

What $400 scope has a better screen?

SDS-1102X    -> 396€ + taxes
SDS-1202X-E -> 359€ + taxes

[simone.pignatti]

What $400 scope has a better screen?

SDS-1102X    -> 396€ + taxes
SDS-1202X-E -> 359€ + taxes

SDS1102X is Euro 475 now discounted at Euro 403,75 (+ taxes)
This promo will end on July the 1st so the difference will be pretty big

[dimkasta]

By that rule 3" would be even better, a "retina display scope" huh!

BTW, all the rigols have the same screen resolution, but the 1000z's are 7", 2000's are 8", 4000's are 9" and 6000's are 10", JFYI :-)

You consider 3" a valid screen size ?

What I said was going bigger size without more resolution increases the pixel size and decreases sharpness. That's a fact even if you put the screen on a 6000  series scope.

Anyway, I get your point. And size can be useful if you want to check it from further away too.
But it's entry level we are talking about. You said it yourself above how the market segments screen sizes to fit market segments.
Going 7" is not a step back. It is business as usual.
Everything else looks like a step forward though

Now let's see how Rigol responds

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

Everything else looks like a step forward though

Seeing Dave's video I'm not so sure, it doesn't decode (*) any faster (have you seen a keysight decoding? that's fast!) and the UI seems to be ~ as responsive as the 1000X, not any better afaics. The screen is smaller and 99.9999% of the time I don't need the extra bandwidth.

(*) Too bad Dave doesn't even try to see if the 1000X's serial decoder bug is there too in the X-Es.

[dimkasta]

True

Although Keysights cost almost double the money so not really a fair comparison.

I do not really care for that stuff much either. I just feel that it's time to upgrade my 1052.

I am more interested to see the implementation of features like low/pass/band pass filters and FFT

[simone.pignatti]

True

Although Keysights cost almost double the money so not really a fair comparison.

I do not really care for that stuff much either. I just feel that it's time to upgrade my 1052.

I am more interested to see the implementation of features like low/pass/band pass filters and FFT

Siglent says FFT has 1 Mpts, very curious to test it 

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

True

Although Keysights cost almost double the money so not really a fair comparison.

Even the EDUX1000s' decoders fly, but yes that's ~ $448+$150 kopecks (+taxes?), a bit moar than a Siglent.

[JPortici]

with 2 GS/s (per chan?). Still if it was 2GS/s shared you'd see a difference in waveform stability when looking at fast signals. Keysight is not in the same instrument class

[coppice]

True

Although Keysights cost almost double the money so not really a fair comparison.

Even the EDUX1000s' decoders fly, but yes that's ~ $448+$150 bucks (+taxes?), a bit moar than a Siglent.

That has a 7" screen. Wouldn't you consider it a huge step backwards?