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[tautech]

For those that haven't checked the Siglent Chinese website lately:

The SDS1000X series

http://www.siglent.com/pdxx.aspx?id=1001&tid=1&T=2

[EEVblog]

Can't put my finger on it, but still looks a bit "cheap"

[EEVblog]

A dedicated Roll button?
Where is the horizontal menu button?

[pickle9000]

A pdf of the page in English.

[Lightages]

For me the appearance is a bit less professional than the SDG1025 I have. What I am getting tired of? BEIGE

Why does anything that needs to appear professional have to be BEIGE?

[tautech]

A dedicated Roll button?
Where is the horizontal menu button?

Who knows what the Roll button does until we see one in the flesh. 

I expect it will bring up a menu selection (possibly multi-level?) at the base of the display like the SDS2000 series.

[rolycat]

For me the appearance is a bit less professional than the SDG1025 I have. What I am getting tired of? BEIGE

Why does anything that needs to appear professional have to be BEIGE?

LeCroy can help out there. And not just with scopes:

[Lightages]

I would have paid $10 more to have that black case!

[android]

This is what annoys me about glossy brochures.
What information does this table convey? ...that I can pay extra for a couple of letters after the model name? Why?

[EEVblog]

This is what annoys me about glossy brochures.
What information does this table convey? ...that I can pay extra for a couple of letters after the model name? Why?

-S is probably for the "Source". i.e. the AFG option. That's real hardware you have to pay extra for, not just a software option.

[rolycat]

This is what annoys me about glossy brochures.
What information does this table convey? ...that I can pay extra for a couple of letters after the model name? Why?

-S is probably for the "Source". i.e. the AFG option. That's real hardware you have to pay extra for, not just a software option.

Siglent America now has information about these scopes, and mentions:

25MHz DDS arbitrary waveform generator, built-in 10 kinds of waveforms (SDS1000X-S models)

[nctnico]

A few remarks:
- only 2 channels? 
- no logic inputs?

How is this going to compete with Rigol and who is going to buy it anyway after the SDS2000 debacle? The SDS2000 is still incomplete and buggy and it has been 7 months since the last firmware update.

[android]

Hmmm ... If they add an extra column called AWG containing "yes" or "no" then I'll put my happy hat back on. 

[Deathwish]

For me the appearance is a bit less professional than the SDG1025 I have. What I am getting tired of? BEIGE

Why does anything that needs to appear professional have to be BEIGE?

LeCroy can help out there. And not just with scopes:

Pfft get funky, go ghetto, break out the fun .

[Wuerstchenhund]

A few remarks:
- only 2 channels? 

I Agree, there should be a four channel model, but that seams unlikely based on the pictured front panel.

- no logic inputs?

I guess the inputs for any future MSO option will be inside the rectangular area right from the USB port.

How is this going to compete with Rigol and who is going to buy it anyway after the SDS2000 debacle? The SDS2000 is still incomplete and buggy and it has been 7 months since the last firmware update.

Indeed. I have no doubt that this scope will be made of decent hardware, however Siglent's track record in terms of firmware has been terrible so far. 7 months without any updates is a clear sign that Siglent has essentially given up on the SDS2000 and moved on to new products, which I'm sure will again released prematurely with tons of bugs of which some may get fixed later, all while breaking other functionality.

I'm not a big fan of Rigol kit and Rigol does have their fair share of firmware issues themselves, however they seem much more active in sorting the worst problems out than Siglent.

[rf-loop]

A few remarks:
- only 2 channels? 

I Agree, there should be a four channel model, but that seams unlikely based on the pictured front panel.

- no logic inputs?

I guess the inputs for any future MSO option will be inside the rectangular area right from the USB port.

How is this going to compete with Rigol and who is going to buy it anyway after the SDS2000 debacle? The SDS2000 is still incomplete and buggy and it has been 7 months since the last firmware update.

Indeed. I have no doubt that this scope will be made of decent hardware, however Siglent's track record in terms of firmware has been terrible so far. 7 months without any updates is a clear sign that Siglent has essentially given up on the SDS2000 and moved on to new products, which I'm sure will again released prematurely with tons of bugs of which some may get fixed later, all while breaking other functionality.

I'm not a big fan of Rigol kit and Rigol does have their fair share of firmware issues themselves, however they seem much more active in sorting the worst problems out than Siglent.

Not long time ago I ask SDS2000 new FW.  Previously they told June if I remember right) but now they told it is delayed but they are hard working with it. (I do not know if they have meet some unexpected poblems or they have started first try correction on the correction and then find some blocks  need write new more deeply from scratch... who knows.  I hope this case teach them.... but this case is extremely expensive training. I know more cheap ways...)

[tautech]

I Agree, there should be a four channel model, but that seams unlikely based on the pictured front panel.

Seems so.

I guess the inputs for any future MSO option will be inside the rectangular area right from the USB port.

Isn't this what Rigol has done for 1054Z and now there is a Plus version coming with MSO.

Yet hidden at the bottom of the Chinese datasheet: SDS-1000X-LA and seems like its 16 channels. 

7 months without any updates

I've asked exactly this a couple of times in July....and now it's August. 

[tautech]

Previously they told June if I remember right) but now they told it is delayed but they are hard working with it. (I do not know if they have meet some unexpected poblems or they have started first try correction on the correction and then find some blocks  need write new more deeply from scratch... who knows.

nctnico has been in a dialogue with Siglent China and America kindly working through some bugs, so he's to blame. 
But seriously they have taken their time, let's hope they have it sorted because it seems the 1000X series shares a very similar graphical UI to the SDS2000 series.

[tszaboo]

Can't put my finger on it, but still looks a bit "cheap"

I think it is a combination of the GDR (east Germany) grade gooseshit color (they even had a trademark on it I think) and the non-uniform light behind the buttons.
More solid color for the buttons and features would not hurt. The screen looks nice.

[nctnico]

Can't put my finger on it, but still looks a bit "cheap"

It looks a bit like Keysight's entry scopes. Put it next to a 3000T. The black bevel is just there to make the screen look bigger than it is.

[Siglent America]

I would agree that the SDS2000 firmware took longer than many of us would have liked to address most of the bugs. From what we have seen here in the USA over the past several months, it has been doing well in the current version with a few small quirks left to fix still.

The last I heard (and I will check with the factory on this) is that the next edition FW should be released in the Oct-Nov time frame. Part of the reason that it was pushed back is that we incorporated some features and improvements given to us by customers.

In my biased opinion, the SDS1000X is a beautiful scope and customers that have seen it at shows have seemed to agree. I have strong reason to believe that the firmware will be much more mature than was the SDS2000 when it was released.

Steve

[pascal_sweden]

Can you disclose an approximate ballpark figure about how many Chinese/American software engineers are dedicated 100% on fixing the bugs in the firmware?

Back in the old days at Motorola they used to have 2 test engineers for every software engineer. How is the ratio at Siglent?

[Siglent America]

Can you disclose an approximate ballpark figure about how many Chinese/American software engineers are dedicated 100% on fixing the bugs in the firmware?

Back in the old days at Motorola they used to have 2 test engineers for every software engineer. How is the ratio at Siglent?

I personally don't know. I do believe that we brought in additional software people about the time we opened our USA office. So I believe it is something that we have been in the process of improving and evolving. I do know that more than half of our engineers are at least Master's level people.

Last I looked at a list, our Siglent factory was looking to hire many additional engineers - both hardware and software. I also can tell you that top management does listen to us in the field - probably better than anywhere I have been involved with in years.

Steve

[pascal_sweden]

I like both Siglent and Rigol. I realize that there have been software issues, but the hardware as such is really good, and I am convinced that both companies will eventually get to the level where new discovered bugs can be fixed within shorter time periods.

There is a lot of enthousiasm about Chinese test equipment in this community, and it is very exciting to follow up the new product launches. Both Siglent and Rigol keep on amazing

Yes, there is competition in this market! But I believe there is space for everybody to make good profit. And competition can also be seen as a good thing, it keeps the product roadmaps going, and drives the whole test business forward.

[nctnico]

I would agree that the SDS2000 firmware took longer than many of us would have liked to address most of the bugs. From what we have seen here in the USA over the past several months, it has been doing well in the current version with a few small quirks left to fix still.

Did you get trial versions of new firmware for the SDS2000 or are you referring to the current publicly available version? If it's the latter I can't imagine people being happy with their SDS2000 because so many features are missing or not working right.

The last I heard (and I will check with the factory on this) is that the next edition FW should be released in the Oct-Nov time frame.

I hope I can restrain myself for that long. I'm looking for a different occasional-use-bring-along scope and if I have one before the SDS2000 has decent firmware it probably goes out of the window from the 3rd floor. It's not even worth the trouble trying to sell it.