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tv84:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 28, 2022, 09:48:12 am ---Because with big brands I started to feel like a poor man in a expensive restaurant: what was supposed to be a special treat to me for special occasion ended up me feeling stupid that I gave my whole monthly salary for a meal that wasn't that special (because i couldn't afford any of really fancy stuff)  and they couldn't wait for me to go away, because I wasn't spending nearly as much as those rich people do and I was taking up a table....

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Been there...  :palm:

Domitronic:

Tek 3 Series was a good deal while on special offer. Last year and beginning of this year you could get the 350MHz model with all options for less than 5k€ plus tax. For the regular pricing i would only buy it because of current probes and differential probes we already have. If there is no need to connect TekVPI probes there are other options from other manufacturers.

Keep in mind that while it is a nice form factor the software ruins the user experience pretty much. It is really slow and laggy. And annoying bugs were introduced with the latest firmware update.

But personal taste matters as well. We have Tek 3/4/5, Keysight 3000G and some older Teks. Many people always grab one of the Teks, but some always choose the Keysight for daily work. So if possible try before buy.

On paper the Wavesurfer 4000HD looks pretty good as well in my opinion and still has decent pricing compared to Tek and Keysight. But it was ruled out before even trying because we already have 2 brands and didn't want to introduce a third one. So i have no experience with it.

And as a hobbyist i would not spend so much money for a new Tek/Keysight/LeCroy scope. 2N3055 described it pretty good in his post.

Martin72:
As in the later 2019 the two new lecroy scopes at work arrived and I got to play with them for the first time, my actual scope at home at this time are so...so...It feels like to have a comparison between the LCD-Handheld games in the 80s vs a nintendo handheld of today.
Waverunner and HDO are simply another league, compared to my former scope(rigol 5000) not even on the same planet.
But both will cost at least a 5-digit € sum... ;)
And support is on another level too.
Before I´ve bought a wavesurfer in 2018.
When ever I got a question about the waverunner or the HDO, I surely get an answer inbetween 48hrs via mail or phonecall.
Wavesurfer....It could last weeks before you got response.
BTW: Don´t buy a WS3000 scope without "Z" at the end of the name.
Never, regardless of how attractive the offer is.
Simply trust me.. ;)

PixieDust:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on October 28, 2022, 08:54:53 am ---We've payed appx 13k€ with "huge" discount for the very good HDO6034A in 2019, maybe it could be even cheaper today.
And this was not a rebranded siglent....  ;)

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That's out of my price range. Nice big screen though :-+.


--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 28, 2022, 09:48:12 am ---First, what BW are we talking about?

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I think the 350Mhz would suit me just fine. But I'm also looking for ARINC 429.


--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 28, 2022, 09:48:12 am ---Second, I'm sorry to break the news to you, but lower end devices (3000 series class or down) are nowadays being better served by non big names.
Fact that LeCroy is charging much more for a Siglent made device is not an insult to LeCroy but a testament that you should buy that class of devices from Siglent. Rigol used to be OEM for Keysight for lower segment scopes.
Those two companies make decent products for affordable money in that device class.

Nowadays you only need to buy from the Tek, Keysight, LeCroy and R&S only when you transition into mid and higher end devices. A brands have wealth of knowledge and experience in making T&M solutions. But they are very meticulous to make sure NONE of that even trickles to their lower end devices. They need you to pay for it.
So you might end up with, for instance, a Keysight scope that is (deliberately) made to be crippled so you have to buy their higher class scope. While still being much more expensive than better scopes from the likes of Rigol and Siglent.
For the price Tek asks for 3000 series , you can get 2 GHz scopes from Rigol and Siglent..

Keysight recently released new EXR and MXR series, their latest iteration of 1000 series that actually makes old 2000 series look bad, and new MSOX3000G, that is same old 3000T with black case and few software options for free.
And that is all innovation you'll get. Why? Because they really don't care about 3000 range and down. They will happily sell you the old one for as long as there are buyers, but they really want you to buy MXR/EXR. Those replaced both 4000 and 6000 and upper models... They are modular, support up to 8 ch, and all use same ADC acquistion architecture in many permutations. And those are serious upgrade to models they replaced, on market they care for.

Same logic prevails in LeCroy, Tek and R&S.
Meaning, there is lots of innovation form them, but only at market segment you (and me) cannot afford.
On market segment we are interested in, innovation comes from newcomers fighting to get recognized. And those usually put much more effort and work harder to prove themselves. My personal choice is that I decided to give them a chance.

Because with big brands I started to feel like a poor man in a expensive restaurant: what was supposed to be a special treat to me for special occasion ended up me feeling stupid that I gave my whole monthly salary for a meal that wasn't that special (because i couldn't afford any of really fancy stuff)  and they couldn't wait for me to go away, because I wasn't spending nearly as much as those rich people do and I was taking up a table....

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Noted.


--- Quote from: Domitronic on October 28, 2022, 11:15:38 am ---Tek 3 Series was a good deal while on special offer. Last year and beginning of this year you could get the 350MHz model with all options for less than 5k€ plus tax. For the regular pricing i would only buy it because of current probes and differential probes we already have. If there is no need to connect TekVPI probes there are other options from other manufacturers.

Keep in mind that while it is a nice form factor the software ruins the user experience pretty much. It is really slow and laggy. And annoying bugs were introduced with the latest firmware update.

But personal taste matters as well. We have Tek 3/4/5, Keysight 3000G and some older Teks. Many people always grab one of the Teks, but some always choose the Keysight for daily work. So if possible try before buy.

On paper the Wavesurfer 4000HD looks pretty good as well in my opinion and still has decent pricing compared to Tek and Keysight. But it was ruled out before even trying because we already have 2 brands and didn't want to introduce a third one. So i have no experience with it.

And as a hobbyist i would not spend so much money for a new Tek/Keysight/LeCroy scope. 2N3055 described it pretty good in his post.

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$5k€ sounds not too shabby.

Would definitely be nice to try one in the flesh. Pictures and marketing material make the product seem a certain way that reality doesn't reflect. Even the 5 series that Shahriar reviewed didn't look that good in terms of responsiveness.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Domitronic on October 28, 2022, 11:15:38 am ---And as a hobbyist i would not spend so much money for a new Tek/Keysight/LeCroy scope. 2N3055 described it pretty good in his post.

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You wouldn't buy any of those brands as a hobbyist, unless you had cash to burn, had a special requirement, or could get a great bundle/used deal.

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