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New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« on: May 17, 2019, 12:42:07 pm »
Might as well start a new thread for this.
There could still be a 4 Series MSO, that URL didn't write itself.



 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 12:44:24 pm »
The SA is an option, so that means it'll be a software option.
As per the old MDO3000, it's probably $25-$50 in parts.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 01:24:51 pm »
I bring this info from the other thread:
here is the model list:
MDO34 3-BW-100 oscilloscope 100MHz
MDO34 3-BW-200 oscilloscope 200MHz
MDO34 3-BW-350 oscilloscope 350MHz
MDO34 3-BW-500 oscilloscope 500MHz
MDO34 3-BW-1000 oscilloscope 1GHz
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2019, 02:44:23 pm »
Price!  :o

 



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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2019, 03:59:58 pm »
Discussion can end here  :o
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2019, 04:25:34 pm »
Not too surprised, the price is completely on par with the 1GHz offerings from R&S and Keysight. The lower bandwidth versions will probably be a lot cheaper.
 
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2019, 07:01:55 pm »
Not too surprised, the price is completely on par with the 1GHz offerings from R&S and Keysight. The lower bandwidth versions will probably be a lot cheaper.
Agreed.  But wait until Monday - we've got something coming that is pretty disruptive  :-+

BTW - scope looks nice.   :-+

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 07:39:14 pm »
The scope looks great, but as usual the Tek marketing department is either asleep or completely detached from tech.
Is the best thing they can figure out to say really that a touchscreen interface will be easy to learn "especially for smartphone users"?
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 09:54:08 pm »
The scope looks great, but as usual the Tek marketing department is either asleep or completely detached from tech.
Is the best thing they can figure out to say really that a touchscreen interface will be easy to learn "especially for smartphone users"?

I also thought that stuck out a bit. Maybe that is part of an appeal to the educational market where students have used smartphones for years, but never an oscilloscope?
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 11:05:12 pm »
Other than the cheapest scopes is a touchscreen even interesting enough to make it a significant bit of your marketing? It's half the blurb... I guess we'll know more about what they're thinking when they're officially launched.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2019, 12:52:32 am »
Other than the cheapest scopes is a touchscreen even interesting enough to make it a significant bit of your marketing? It's half the blurb... I guess we'll know more about what they're thinking when they're officially launched.

It's look and work exactly like the 5 Series.
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2019, 12:54:02 am »
Not too surprised, the price is completely on par with the 1GHz offerings from R&S and Keysight. The lower bandwidth versions will probably be a lot cheaper.
Agreed.  But wait until Monday - we've got something coming that is pretty disruptive  :-+

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2019, 12:55:09 am »
Not too surprised, the price is completely on par with the 1GHz offerings from R&S and Keysight. The lower bandwidth versions will probably be a lot cheaper.

 Will be interesting to see if the 100MHz version has the 1GHz hardware...
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2019, 12:56:52 am »
It's now removed from their educational website home page ;D
 

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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2019, 01:36:26 am »
Pretty sure Rich is talking about this, as someone found in the RTB scope thread. Pretty steep discounts for the top end MSOs with the app bundle.
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2019, 01:47:24 am »
It will be interesting to see if they start to flesh out the sub-350MHz market. Just steered a colleague who needed a basic scope for work away from a new DPO2000 series Tek that optioned up, cost nearly $5k. Comparable Keysight was $1900. No brainer. Glad to see Tek continuing to evolve (though the 6-series was way out of the stratosphere for price) but man are they seemingly out of touch with the market. To be fair Agilent is getting long in the tooth with the 4000 series as well.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2019, 05:38:24 am »
MDO34 3-BW-100 - 3-SERIES MIXED DOMAIN OSCILLOSCOPE = 4600USD, 100MHz = 4600USD.

https://www.newark.com/tektronix/mdo34-3-bw-100/3-series-mixed-domain-oscilloscope/dp/02AH4128?st=MDO34%203-BW-100
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2019, 05:57:46 am »
Other than the cheapest scopes is a touchscreen even interesting enough to make it a significant bit of your marketing? It's half the blurb... I guess we'll know more about what they're thinking when they're officially launched.

It's look and work exactly like the 5 Series.

Right, I'm curious about their marketing strategy.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2019, 07:10:09 am »
"...helps teach mixed signal design..."

OK, so it's a cut-down, relatively inexpensive educational tool, right?

€15080  :palm:

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2019, 07:12:34 am »
"...helps teach mixed signal design..."
OK, so it's a cut-down, relatively inexpensive educational tool, right?
€15080  :palm:

To be fair, the schools would be buying the 100MHz model
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2019, 07:13:33 am »
"...helps teach mixed signal design..."

OK, so it's a cut-down, relatively inexpensive educational tool, right?

€15080  :palm:

How else do you justify tuition if you don't have fancy toys.
 

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2019, 09:54:40 am »
:)

https://www.newark.com/tektronix/mdo34-3-bw-200/3-series-mixed-domain-oscilloscope/dp/02AH4130?ost=MDO34+3-BW-200&ddkey=https%3Aen-US%2FElement14_US%2Fsearch

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MDO34 3-BW-200 -  3-SERIES MIXED DOMAIN OSCILLOSCOPE - $5,150.00
MDO34 3-BW-350 -  3-SERIES MIXED DOMAIN OSCILLOSCOPE - $9,600.00
MDO34 3-BW-500 -  3-SERIES MIXED DOMAIN OSCILLOSCOPE - $12,900.00
MDO34 3-BW-1000 -  3-SERIES MIXED DOMAIN OSCILLOSCOPE - $16,000.00
MDO34 3-BW-1000-DDU-DB-DEMO -  DEMO - 3-SERIES MIXED DOMAIN OSCILLOSCOPE - $16,850.00
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2019, 03:39:48 pm »
Not too surprised, the price is completely on par with the 1GHz offerings from R&S and Keysight. The lower bandwidth versions will probably be a lot cheaper.
Agreed.  But wait until Monday - we've got something coming that is pretty disruptive  :-+

Woah, hang on, you can't just come in here and drop a bomb and leave us hanging!
Like dermeister said, I gave some additional details in the RTB thread, but here is the gist:

It's in the same vein as our launch edition (albeit slightly more expensive), but without a quantity limit this time (limited in time - ends December 31, 2019).  It also goes across our RTC/RTB/RTM/RTA/RTH scopes, FPC spectrum analyzers and several of our power supplies/analyzers.  Basically they are fully loaded ("Complete") models - all channels (including digital for the scopes), highest bandwidth/frequency, all options (trigger/decodes, deepest memory, bode, modulation, etc, etc). 

Like I said in the other thread:  We've tried really hard to listen to customer feedback.  Projects change; you have money now, not sure if you'll be able to buy upgrades in the future; you want everything turned on for one price; etc.  You can still buy any of the "normal" models, but in a lot of cases, why would you?  When you can get a loaded (all options, even MSO/Bandwidth) Scope, SpecAn or Power Supply/Analyzer for one low price.  Is it for everyone?  No, but hopefully you all will see it as a step in the right direction (and vote with your money  ;) ).

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2019, 04:02:11 pm »
Didn't see anybody mentioning that they are giving away some scopes:
https://info.tek.com/www-new-gen-scope-june4-wc.html
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2019, 04:27:14 am »
Other than the cheapest scopes is a touchscreen even interesting enough to make it a significant bit of your marketing? It's half the blurb... I guess we'll know more about what they're thinking when they're officially launched.

It's look and work exactly like the 5 Series.


I wouldn't assume that. The Tektronix DPO/MSO5000 looked on the outside like a DPO7000, but operationally it functioned more like DPO/MSO4000 hardware - it didn't really work like a DPO7000.  I had several times I had to work customers through how to make their measurements because it just wasn't totally the same. There were/are certain limitations on sample rate, memory, triggering, etc that reflect its hardware pedigree, even though it has a more advanced user interface on it. Time will tell if the 3 series really functions like a 5 series (this product was launched after I left, so I'm eager to see the real specs). I suspect there will be limitations based on hardware - remember that a lot of cool features on oscilloscopes require hardware to support them.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2019, 03:20:04 pm »
https://www.newark.com/  has removed the info/pricing I copied a few msgs ago...  ;)
 

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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2019, 06:05:37 pm »
Other than the cheapest scopes is a touchscreen even interesting enough to make it a significant bit of your marketing? It's half the blurb... I guess we'll know more about what they're thinking when they're officially launched.

If it's properly done it's worth mentioning. A touch screen scope speeds up doing things considerably (especially for us of of a younger breed ;) )
moving the trace and cursors and stuff around coarsly with your finger instead of battling with poorly implemented encoder acceleration
 

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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2019, 11:13:40 pm »
moving the trace and cursors and stuff around coarsly with your finger instead of battling with poorly implemented encoder acceleration
I find the on screen keyboard is another _major_ benefit of a touchscreen scope - no more endless encoder spinning to enter a text string or number (e.g. a screenshot filename, trigger hold off value).
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2019, 12:12:59 am »
https://www.newark.com/  has removed the info/pricing I copied a few msgs ago...  ;)

Tektronix marketing playing whack-a-mole  ;D
 

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2019, 09:10:13 am »
moving the trace and cursors and stuff around coarsly with your finger instead of battling with poorly implemented encoder acceleration
I find the on screen keyboard is another _major_ benefit of a touchscreen scope - no more endless encoder spinning to enter a text string or number (e.g. a screenshot filename, trigger hold off value).
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2019, 11:02:38 pm »
Tektronix marketing playing whack-a-mole  ;D

Definitely don't miss all those issues from my InfiniiVision BizDev days. Though it's so close to the launch date I doubt Tek cares too much. Not much competitors can do except launch promos like R&S, though theirs isn't really geared towards the EEVBlog audience.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2019, 06:21:15 am »
Confirmed, the 3 series is just an MDO3000 with the new interface.
Maybe it has a faster processor and might be less sluggish, but everything else is the same.

 

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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2019, 07:15:32 am »
Confirmed, the 3 series is just an MDO3000 with the new interface.

...which means it's (still) NOT an MDO !!! No way to trigger on freq dom events, and have both time & frequency domains traces synced...
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2019, 08:13:29 pm »
Doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement now that they are officially announced?

Here's another video that has been released on at least a couple of channels today:

Tektronix- 3 Series MDO Technical Overview
 

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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2019, 08:54:55 pm »
They've got beautiful displays but if the 3 is mostly a holdover I don't care. The 4 is outside my budget but it looks good but sort of an odd middle scope between 3 and 5. Although Keysight 3000 vs 4000 is similar, as well as R&S 3000 vs 4000. Seems it's difficult to really do enough to justify other than having something in that segment. Keysight, R&S and Tek should all ditch one of them.
 

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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2019, 12:12:54 am »
Doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement now that they are officially announced?

The problem is two fold:
1) The 3 Series is just rehashed MDO3000 hardware. And the 4 Series is the same as the 5 Series but a bit cheaper and bit less capable. So nothing really that new there.

2) People on forums like this don't really get excited by higher priced tools, it's the value for money ones that generate a lot of hype and continued discussion. Look at the R&S RTB2000, it's actually not a cheap scope, but R&S did some initial marketing that was incredible value for money, so people flocked to it and now that a lot of people have one as result there is more continued talk about it.

 

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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2019, 02:07:50 am »
Doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement now that they are officially announced?

The problem is two fold:
1) The 3 Series is just rehashed MDO3000 hardware. And the 4 Series is the same as the 5 Series but a bit cheaper and bit less capable. So nothing really that new there.

2) People on forums like this don't really get excited by higher priced tools, it's the value for money ones that generate a lot of hype and continued discussion. Look at the R&S RTB2000, it's actually not a cheap scope, but R&S did some initial marketing that was incredible value for money, so people flocked to it and now that a lot of people have one as result there is more continued talk about it.

Maybe worth getting the new MDO3 and comparing with the MDO3000 you have to see if there are any improvements ? It seems the new user interface would require much more CPU grunt than the previous model.

I believe R&S have a new deal going for the rest of the year ;)

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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2019, 07:06:56 pm »
Doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement now that they are officially announced?

The problem is two fold:
1) The 3 Series is just rehashed MDO3000 hardware. And the 4 Series is the same as the 5 Series but a bit cheaper and bit less capable. So nothing really that new there.

2) People on forums like this don't really get excited by higher priced tools, it's the value for money ones that generate a lot of hype and continued discussion. Look at the R&S RTB2000, it's actually not a cheap scope, but R&S did some initial marketing that was incredible value for money, so people flocked to it and now that a lot of people have one as result there is more continued talk about it.

People do like to talk about things that they own and can experience and play with themselves *looks at TEA thread*.

But to be fair, people also get a bit excited, albeit for a shorter time, for alien level test equipment (I'm looking at you, Monster(TM) Keysight scope).

It's kinda an inverted bell curve, big value and crazy uber tech goes down well. Kinda neat but middle of the road test equipment that you'll never ever be able to get? Not so much.
 

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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2019, 10:37:55 pm »
Weird low key launch - was expecting half-dozen video reviews from the usual suspects, editorials, tear-downs etc...

I had the 5 series in the lab recently, very nice unit - for the BW I wanted it was eye-wateringly expensive.

MDO32 (100MHz/2ch) £3130
MDO32 (1GHz/2ch) £9830
MSO44 (1GHz/4ch) £15700

What would be great would be a 1GHz 2ch without the mixed-domain for about £6K to replace my ageing 500MHz HP's.



 

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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2019, 10:44:58 pm »
Weird low key launch - was expecting half-dozen video reviews from the usual suspects, editorials, tear-downs etc...

I had the 5 series in the lab recently, very nice unit - for the BW I wanted it was eye-wateringly expensive.

MDO32 (100MHz/2ch) £3130
MDO32 (1GHz/2ch) £9830
MSO44 (1GHz/4ch) £15700

What would be great would be a 1GHz 2ch without the mixed-domain for about £6K to replace my ageing 500MHz HP's.

That's pretty much the SDS5000X price, maybe look at that. For some more, I think, the RTM3000(10K usd, may need forwarder).
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2019, 12:49:16 am »
Weird low key launch - was expecting half-dozen video reviews from the usual suspects, editorials, tear-downs etc...

I had the 5 series in the lab recently, very nice unit - for the BW I wanted it was eye-wateringly expensive.

MDO32 (100MHz/2ch) £3130
MDO32 (1GHz/2ch) £9830
MSO44 (1GHz/4ch) £15700

What would be great would be a 1GHz 2ch without the mixed-domain for about £6K to replace my ageing 500MHz HP's.

I found these videos









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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2019, 12:55:25 am »
Doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement now that they are officially announced?

The problem is two fold:
1) The 3 Series is just rehashed MDO3000 hardware. And the 4 Series is the same as the 5 Series but a bit cheaper and bit less capable. So nothing really that new there.

2) People on forums like this don't really get excited by higher priced tools, it's the value for money ones that generate a lot of hype and continued discussion. Look at the R&S RTB2000, it's actually not a cheap scope, but R&S did some initial marketing that was incredible value for money, so people flocked to it and now that a lot of people have one as result there is more continued talk about it.

People do like to talk about things that they own and can experience and play with themselves *looks at TEA thread*.

But to be fair, people also get a bit excited, albeit for a shorter time, for alien level test equipment (I'm looking at you, Monster(TM) Keysight scope).

It's kinda an inverted bell curve, big value and crazy uber tech goes down well. Kinda neat but middle of the road test equipment that you'll never ever be able to get? Not so much.

Besides, for those of us who are considering dropping some cash, it's far more cost effective to go with one of those promo bundles R&S is running this year, where you get a fully unlocked instrument for 40-50% off as far as I can tell.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2019, 10:56:45 am »
I found these videos



There is just something wrong about a company unboxing their own product...
 

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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2019, 11:41:48 am »
I found these videos



There is just something wrong about a company unboxing their own product...

Did you think that scope had already been unboxed ? I just found it strange that the scope did not come in any protective bag or foam wrapping ?
 

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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2019, 02:15:25 pm »
The SDS5000X series looks like I fits the bill, just rather spring a bit more for a Tek or Keysight.  Looked at the R&S stuff, just don't need the discounted options.  Base price is similar.

Back to the 3/4 series launch.  Have Tek gone early to market and have few built? Stockists seem to be on back-order.

 

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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2019, 02:37:12 pm »
Doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement now that they are officially announced?

Well, I went on some websites. Checked the price. Looked at the full feature MSOX3104T on the other test bench, did a little comparison:
- Has bigger screen
- Slow GUI
- Tektronix, so eventually you will find something disappointing
- Confusing "sacrifice an analog channel for digital inputs"deal.
- Very expensive options

To get excited, it needs to offer something that enables you to do something that wasnt possible before. This one comes with expected pricing, expected options,  expected specifications. Someone will buy it, when they need a new scope and the RNG will throw Tek. Unless you already bought a scope with the same specs for half the price.
And yes, meanwhile Rohde is selling their 16 bit scope at a very good price. BTW at these prices, you are usually spending someone else's money on the scope anyway.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2019, 12:41:02 pm »
I found these videos

Well those were handy. I'm impressed by how slow their UI response is, combined with some of the things it lacks over the 5 series I guess that puts the 4 off the table as a backup scope.

Hopefully someone smashes the screen on a 5 and flogs it off cheap at some point, the math & analysis features do look nice.

As others have said, you really have to wonder if any of the Tek folk have used a current Keysight 3-6k series, sure the Tek wins on probes & some of the neat analysis you can do on the 5 series, but actual usability looks much worse.
 

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« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2019, 08:53:25 am »
BTW at these prices, you are usually spending someone else's money on the scope anyway.

I don't think Tek are getting any business at all from people spending their own money. Not hobbyists, not one-man bands, not small business with a few employees.
They may not care, and that's fine of course, chase the big end of town is not a bad option, but it's why no one really seems to care about the new "Series" scopes.
 

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« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2019, 09:02:28 am »
Before the price release it's was a nice ride.

Now we came down back to earth and it's business as usual...

At least, I wish the hobby market adopts the bigger screens layout.

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2019, 01:35:30 pm »
I had a 4 series in the lab last week - nice scope definitely.  But by the time you have a decent spec. it is actually cheaper to buy the 5 series..  :palm:

Struggling to understand what the 4 brings to the table, the only reason the rep could come up with was that it was 'smaller' and lab space is at premium.

I didn't even bother turning on the 3 series.

 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2019, 05:22:57 pm »
The pricing strategy on these is bloody outrageous, honestly. If you take just the 3 series, the base price for the lowest end model is approachable until you realize you need to spend at least another 3-4k on top of that to get the options necessary to make it worth your time. Probably a lot more. Pretty soon, it turns into a $10k instrument and if you want to spend that much, might as well save and put it toward a better model IMO. [edit] or go for a loaded scope from a Chinese OEM.

[edit again] the MDO option is even dumber...$50 worth of parts and a few thousand for a software unlock???
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2019, 09:09:30 pm »
Before the price release it's was a nice ride.

Now we came down back to earth and it's business as usual...

At least, I wish the hobby market adopts the bigger screens layout.


This is quite good for the new 3, 4 and 5 series BMW!
Oh wait...
 
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2019, 01:08:35 am »
Before the price release it's was a nice ride.

Now we came down back to earth and it's business as usual...

At least, I wish the hobby market adopts the bigger screens layout.


This is quite good for the new 3, 4 and 5 series BMW!
Oh wait...

Wow, $3850 for the entry level 2CH job  :o
And $7550 for the entry 4 series, so much for their marketing slogan "Affordable on almost any budget" or whatever it was.
You'd want to really like that big screen GUI
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« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2019, 03:15:58 am »
I was actually in contact with one of their salespeople. I spoke my mind about how ridiculous the pricing was....haven't heard back from them since.  :-DD
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2019, 11:09:59 pm »
Will there ever be a Tektronix 2 Series?? Will the 11 old MSO2000B be replaced sometimes? https://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/mso2000-dpo2000
Well, it has
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2019, 10:44:10 pm »
Mechanical engineer here to whom any scope is a horrible box filled with black magic only to be used when something goes horribly, horribly wrong.
I work instrumentation and am looking at an option to replace my group's current scope (it saves to 3.25" floppys) and was considering the 3 series.
Features I liked:
Very pretty screen. I like pretty colors
ability to decode ARINC 429 if you give TEK your first born
ability to decode UART


I see you all are not impressed with it for the price, but as we are not allowed to order Chinese products where I work, is there something else I should consider instead?
I don't think I need high bandwidth, I'm working with simple analog 0-10v signals and digital data streams.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2019, 11:01:17 pm »
If you can't buy Chinese then don't buy Tektronix because their (lower end) products are made in China. Keysight is made in Malaysia but maybe China too nowadays. You could consider R&S which is produced in Europe. The RTB2004 has an option to decode Arinc and it is 10 bit as well.
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2019, 11:03:45 pm »
Mechanical engineer here to whom any scope is a horrible box filled with black magic only to be used when something goes horribly, horribly wrong.
I work instrumentation and am looking at an option to replace my group's current scope (it saves to 3.25" floppys) and was considering the 3 series.
Features I liked:
Very pretty screen. I like pretty colors
ability to decode ARINC 429 if you give TEK your first born
ability to decode UART


I see you all are not impressed with it for the price, but as we are not allowed to order Chinese products where I work, is there something else I should consider instead?
I don't think I need high bandwidth, I'm working with simple analog 0-10v signals and digital data streams.

Keysight 3000T series ? It is really fast, feels like analog scope.. Short acquisition memory though. Very good, nevertheless .
Rohde & Schwarz RTM3000 series? It's 10 bit, and 500uV/div, very nice for analog (sensors and such). Very long memory. Probably more expensive than Tek, but WAAAY better machine.
 
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2019, 11:07:09 pm »
If you can't buy Chinese then don't buy Tektronix because their (lower end) products are made in China. Keysight is made in Malaysia but maybe China too nowadays. You could consider R&S which is produced in Europe. The RTB2004 has an option to decode Arinc and it is 10 bit as well.

RTB2000 doesn't have AERO protocols AFAIK...
You need to go to RTM3000 to get them...

Or if PC USB scope is acceptable Picoscope does it all, and you can have 23" touch screen....
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2019, 11:19:36 pm »
I looked at the RTM3000, but haven't received a quote from them yet. Also looked at the wave surfer. Didn't look at the picoscope, but I don't think that will fly with management.
One limitation I should have mentioned is that no part of the order can be more than $5k. So we can buy the hardware(Tek scope and function generator option), and then add the software (bus decoders) later when the budget allows it.
As long as the company is not based in China, I don't think the bureaucrats here will notice where it is made.
I also looked at the HP scope, but Tek gives our company a deal and so it is cheaper.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2019, 11:50:54 pm »
As long as the company is not based in China, I don't think the bureaucrats here will notice where it is made.
So rebrands are OK then ?
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2019, 12:04:13 am »
If you can't buy Chinese then don't buy Tektronix because their (lower end) products are made in China. Keysight is made in Malaysia but maybe China too nowadays. You could consider R&S which is produced in Europe. The RTB2004 has an option to decode Arinc and it is 10 bit as well.

Keysight have a major R&D and manufacturing hub in Malaysia and it looks pretty polished. Nothing to worry about in terms of quality ;)

 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2019, 12:41:15 am »
One limitation I should have mentioned is that no part of the order can be more than $5k. So we can buy the hardware(Tek scope and function generator option), and then add the software (bus decoders) later when the budget allows it.

Any decent company or dealer will understand such capex limitations and do a custom invoice deal accordingly, just ask them.
 
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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2019, 12:43:44 am »
Will there ever be a Tektronix 2 Series?? Will the 11 old MSO2000B be replaced sometimes? https://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/mso2000-dpo2000

Almost certainly. Don't expect it to compete well on price though.
 

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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2019, 07:12:13 am »
As long as the company is not based in China, I don't think the bureaucrats here will notice where it is made.
So rebrands are OK then ?

yeah, let's get the rebadged siglent at 2.5x the price from lecroy :palm:
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2019, 07:51:41 am »
As long as the company is not based in China, I don't think the bureaucrats here will notice where it is made.
So rebrands are OK then ?

yeah, let's get the rebadged siglent at 2.5x the price from lecroy :palm:
I'm sure the BK Precision version is cheaper than LeCroy.

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2019, 10:29:54 pm »
Mechanical engineer here to whom any scope is a horrible box filled with black magic only to be used when something goes horribly, horribly wrong.
I work instrumentation and am looking at an option to replace my group's current scope (it saves to 3.25" floppys) and was considering the 3 series.
Features I liked:
Very pretty screen. I like pretty colors
ability to decode ARINC 429 if you give TEK your first born
ability to decode UART


I see you all are not impressed with it for the price, but as we are not allowed to order Chinese products where I work, is there something else I should consider instead?
I don't think I need high bandwidth, I'm working with simple analog 0-10v signals and digital data streams.

Keysight 3000T series ? It is really fast, feels like analog scope.. Short acquisition memory though. Very good, nevertheless .
Rohde & Schwarz RTM3000 series? It's 10 bit, and 500uV/div, very nice for analog (sensors and such). Very long memory. Probably more expensive than Tek, but WAAAY better machine.

I am currently leaning towards the RTM3000 based on your advice (my boss nixed my idea of getting the RTM2000 and a Micsig tablet for Arinc and UART and portability), but I have now gone 3 days without them responding to my many requests for a quote. Does anyone know if this is expected from R&S or if it is an anomaly?

Finally, in the review of the R&S RTM3000 posted on this forum it mentioned that the large memory, while nice, could cause the RTM3000 to feel laggy. Does anyone know if this something I will notice compared to the 3 series?
Thanks again for all your time.
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2019, 10:54:07 pm »
The Tektronix likely slows down when using math. Keysight and R&S (and others too) use a decimated data set for math operations. This makes math fast but can introduce errors in some corner cases. AFAIK Tektronix uses the actual sampled data which always gives a correct result but it also means that it will need to process much more data.

If you have trouble getting a quote then you should contact Rich from R&S who is active on this forum.
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2019, 01:39:03 am »
Mechanical engineer here to whom any scope is a horrible box filled with black magic only to be used when something goes horribly, horribly wrong.
I work instrumentation and am looking at an option to replace my group's current scope (it saves to 3.25" floppys) and was considering the 3 series.
Features I liked:
Very pretty screen. I like pretty colors
ability to decode ARINC 429 if you give TEK your first born
ability to decode UART


I see you all are not impressed with it for the price, but as we are not allowed to order Chinese products where I work, is there something else I should consider instead?
I don't think I need high bandwidth, I'm working with simple analog 0-10v signals and digital data streams.

Keysight 3000T series ? It is really fast, feels like analog scope.. Short acquisition memory though. Very good, nevertheless .
Rohde & Schwarz RTM3000 series? It's 10 bit, and 500uV/div, very nice for analog (sensors and such). Very long memory. Probably more expensive than Tek, but WAAAY better machine.

I am currently leaning towards the RTM3000 based on your advice (my boss nixed my idea of getting the RTM2000 and a Micsig tablet for Arinc and UART and portability), but I have now gone 3 days without them responding to my many requests for a quote. Does anyone know if this is expected from R&S or if it is an anomaly?

Finally, in the review of the R&S RTM3000 posted on this forum it mentioned that the large memory, while nice, could cause the RTM3000 to feel laggy. Does anyone know if this something I will notice compared to the 3 series?
Thanks again for all your time.
Sorry to hear you’re not getting a response. Please PM me your location and contact info and I’ll make sure you get taken care of.

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2019, 02:19:38 am »
Didn't see anybody mentioning that they are giving away some scopes:
https://info.tek.com/www-new-gen-scope-june4-wc.html

Where at on the page is this located? I'd like to enter!
 

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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2019, 11:32:38 pm »
Hi guys,

Tektronix 3 series main downside is, you can NOT have RF turned on (visible) at the same time as any other of the channels. I have not found this mentioned anywhere.

It is just two devices in one, in this case RF analyzer is really a useless benefit for me. You buy a scope with RF for time correlation, right?

BTW: The interface is really kind of slow, even the mouse is lagging behind more than on 4 series.

BTW2: This scope has 8 bit ADC (you can use up to 12bit HiRes mode). 3 series has different front end than 4 and 5 series (which are 12 bit and up to 16 bit in HiRes mode).

BTW3: 3 series LCD screen compared to 4 looks a bit diffused and not so sharp, kind of VGA like.

After finding the RF analyzer visibility limitation, I immediately went on to test 4 series.

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807441-0

First of all, I am looking for a contemporary, fast and modern mixed signal scope.

This unit was MSO 46 @ 350MHz (weirdly), firmware 1.20.7, with full software licenses as a DEMO unit (400 days licence).

I am younger generation user who is used to touchscreens, I never owned an oscilloscope.
I hate wasting money on stuff that is mediocre, I preffer paying more for high quality / investment.

I need:
- logical analyzer, current probe, SPI, I2C, UART
- no fan, or a really silent fan
- well made, intuitive and fast UI
- good screen, quality build

Not needed but nice and futureproofing:
- separate Aux In
- separate Aux Out, Ref In, AFG
- RF analyzer on every channel

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I will try to include anything positive and negative i have found.

For me there are two main downsides on a "built from scratch, new and fast GUI":

1. Even though there is quite a bit of nice and well thought out touch and visual elements present in the GUI, its frame rate looks slow and somehow fixed to the framerate of the acquired data presentation update rate. The screen framerate should be independent and prioritized for fast GUI response we are used to from high tech smartphones and tablets, to match the quality of the hardware panel controls. I think to wait for data to be ready to be shown is a minor issue and to be expected, with a lot of processing that a sheer number of inputs, search, measure, math and other functions on this scope introduce. I hope I write it clearly.

2. I work in professional live audio industry, where touchscreens on mixing consoles and tablet / smartphone remote controls are very common. I am into UI, HMI, LEDs, audio, maybe some RF modules.
When debugging these mixed signal devices, there is quite a lot to watch for, and a lot of times I am looking at a broader context, then at solving some particular issue found, then again on the broader context and so on.
Tek 4 series allow to save a "Setup" to a file and then reload it, which is awesome idea BUT:
- The load of this file starts with a "default setup", when every probe is turned off, display is cleared, etc. etc.
- A complete load of setup file takes around 30 seconds, which is really too much, considering nothing has changed in the physical connections and settings. I just wanted to see a different combination / representation of the same data on the scope for particular purpose.
- If there were a possibility for the scope to compare actual state with the setup file I want to load, this "switchover" could take considerably shorter time and act similarly to a layer switching of faders on an audio mixing console, which makes your use of the panel and display context sensitive and therefore the operation is much quicker!

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Positive:
- execelent quality of buttons and knobs, especially those two cursor knobs
- every off (not visible) channel is aquired all the time, so you can turn on channels after the aquisition and the data is there to be shown
- 30A current probe is amazing
- matte display, option to have "black on white" color scheme for bright environments (and for export of waveform images to pdfs etc.)
- you can change channel color coding (including front panel buttons and led rings) to match your preference or project, trigger knob ring has the color of the source
- Aux In is simple edge trigger only - but handy

Weird quirks:
- 4 series has a better position of USB connectors than 3 series, but both 3 and 4 have them a bit too close to used buttons in the bottom of the panel.
- When selecting bus decode on analog channels, all of the predefined triggers are set to 0V, which is of little use and you have to change this to some milivolts above 0V to trigger.

Negative:
- Long startup time.
- Scope freezed 2 times in 5 hours.

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GUI:
- FHD display is so much more practical, where:
- - amazing feature to have is Overlay / Split view of channels
- - nice option to Group needed channels to a part of the Split window
- - possibility to resize individual parts of the screen, dragging of tables, plots etc.
- - unfortunately when turning channel off and on again, Grouping of the channel is lost
- - Grouped channels could have all their respective vertical division values displayed in adjacent columns on the right side where they are nicely colored

- a lot of scrolling is needed when multiple channels, busses and other features are active because of:
- - AFG, Horizontal and Trigger windows take unnecessary space on the bottom line of badges / buttons
- - Run/Stopped button take unnecessary space as well (Run / Single buttons on the top of the scope are perfectly visible and tell me far better what is happening)
- - Clock badge take unnecessary space. I have clock elsewhere in the workplace, not needed on the scope. If somebody likes to see the clock, it would be more adequate in the top right corner, where is plenty of space
- - DVM badge takes unneccesary space and could be well hidden inside Measure button

- "Add New..." section on right top corner has quite small buttons for my fingers, I kept pressing Note instead of Search quite often

- Missing Trash gestures to the bottom and side of the touchscreen as they are present on 3 series! You have to drag everything to trash (or invoke a right click menu) which is quite slow.

- Very nice would be an option to SWITCH Measure, Search and Bus decode to be done JUST on the visible data. As these processes are now done on whole captured data (which is sometimes very useful), it slows the unit down significantly. Of course you need a full data Bus decode for triggering from the Bus, but that is just one Bus decode, with much lower speed penalty.

Feature requests:

- Bus decode displayed charactes horizontal size to be maximized, not limited to length of the serial data. Binary representation is longer and not visible even if it could be, same applies for hex and ascii in various zoom levels. (check my photo)

- Push and hold on Channel/Math/Ref button to select it as a Trigger source?
(this would avoid some menu diving)

- Fast Setup switching.

- Faster GUI framerate. Say when you turn Bus decode ON, it takes long time (2-3 seconds) until the GUI lets you know, that you have pressed the button, just the menu did not appear yet.

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Unfortunately i did not have the possibility to check out the logical probe (and the firmware behaviour), as the sales person forgot to bring it. I have just seen the different 3 series logical probe, which is a very nice one.

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Tektronix 4 series needs quite a lot of work until I consider it to be worth the expense. Tektronix 3 series is a no go for me.

Apart from that, it is surprisingly modern and slick and much better than everything else I have seen so far.

Tektronix MSO 4 has potential to be the best mixed signal scope on the market.

PS: I think 4 series are MDO, and 3 series are MSO with RF, and that the official product names are other way around and confusing.

Thanks!
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Re: New Tektronix 3 Series MDO
« Reply #75 on: August 10, 2019, 01:02:17 am »
Tek seems to have gone backwards with the Spectrum Analyzer on tyhe MDO3 compared to the MDO3000.

However the MDO4, 5 and 6 have Spectrum View which takes advantage of features built into the new ASIC's. I was told that this feature is available on each channel. Nice  :-+

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« Reply #76 on: August 10, 2019, 04:34:43 am »
Sorry to hear you’re not getting a response. Please PM me your location and contact info and I’ll make sure you get taken care of.
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Guess who cares more...  ;D
 


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