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Siglent new X model Handheld Scopemeters
« on: September 23, 2021, 08:22:51 am »
A refresh of the SHS models with more features.
100 and 200 MHz models.
Release date April 26 2022

SHS800X models


Scope, DMM and Recorder functions.
100 and 200 MHz 2ch models.
1 GSa/s 12 Mpts
100k Wfps
5.6” TFT-LCD Display
SPO capability
History and Sequence modes
2mV/div to 100V/div
IIC, SPI, UART, CAN, LIN decoding
1 Mpt FFT

Multimeter
True RMS
60mV-600V ranges
CATIII 300Vrms, CATII 600Vrms
6000 count
25 hours of sampling data with 4 sets recorded

6900mAh Li battery for 5.5 hrs runtime

SHS1000X isolated channel models.


Website links:
https://int.siglent.com/products/handheld_oscilloscopes/
https://siglentna.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/
https://www.siglenteu.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/

Datasheet
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SHS800X_SHS1000X_DataSheet_EN01C.pdf

Pricing
SHS800X models $ 979 - $ 1,279
SHS1000X models $ 1,899 - $ 2,399



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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2021, 09:06:20 pm »
There is a chinese product video here:

https://www.bilibili.com/s/video/BV1P44y187pK

I just recently exchanged my modded SHS810 for a DS1054Z because I needed decoding and triggering on data. Got an Owon HDS for field work but It's just not the same, so I have high hopes for the new 800X!
 
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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2021, 09:22:03 am »
Looks like nice improvements over the old ones!
But do they have dark mode? Not a fan of the white background.
 
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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2022, 06:09:58 am »
No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.
 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2022, 07:10:12 am »
No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.
We were told March release but it is now April.  :-//
I'll go sniffing.....
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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2022, 10:30:52 am »
No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.
We were told March release but it is now April.  :-//
I'll go sniffing.....

Great!

I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.

 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2022, 10:51:15 am »
No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.
We were told March release but it is now April.  :-//
I'll go sniffing.....

Great!

I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.
Late April I am now told.....but as yet no official release date or pricing.  :(
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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2022, 11:30:11 am »
No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.
We were told March release but it is now April.  :-//
I'll go sniffing.....

Great!

I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.
Late April I am now told.....but as yet no official release date or pricing.  :(

Guessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.
 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2022, 11:34:45 am »
Guessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.
AFAIK Shenzhen is all up and running again after a 1 week lockdown but parts supply is an ongoing problem for everyone. Nearly every stock order we place has production lead times these days.  :(
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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2022, 12:15:35 pm »
Guessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.
AFAIK Shenzhen is all up and running again after a 1 week lockdown but parts supply is an ongoing problem for everyone. Nearly every stock order we place has production lead times these days.  :(

yah it's horrible. We had a finished product, EMC tested and everything but then we could not get a DC-DC converter. Redesign of PCB with new DC-DC and full suit of EMC test again. Not a happy camper....
 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2022, 12:49:39 pm »
They really should throw more rotary encoders, I believe every person who has used portable scopes knows how confusing is to use rubber buttons for time and scale, its terrible.

That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players
 

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2022, 12:57:26 pm »
They really should throw more rotary encoders, I believe every person who has used portable scopes knows how confusing is to use rubber buttons for time and scale, its terrible.

That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players

I totally agree but I understand you have a limited space and it’s a requirement is that shs800x needs to be fully usable with gloves on. That limit how small knobs you can have.

 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2022, 12:59:27 pm »
Btw is that a cover over the DMM ports?
 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2022, 08:53:57 pm »
That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players

The killer feature would be isolated inputs, in my opinion.
Handheld scopes are making a huge "jump" in the price, when they came with isolated inputs.
Relatively cheap and with isolated inputs, that would be a big advantage against other brands.



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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2022, 11:31:56 am »
Got a reply from my local distributor and he said "Soon". Also asked Siglenteu but they got no solid info but guess 1-2 months (they have nothing to do with Siglent, just a distributor).




 

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2022, 06:58:16 am »
I did some google kung-fu and found a lot of info but sadly most is in CN (but still interesting).


SHS800X quick start guide in CN.
http://www.siglent.com.cn/upload_file/document/SHS800X&1000X_QuickStart_CN01A.pdf

Combine SHS800X and SHS1000X quick start guide in CN:
http://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/SHS800X&1000X_QuickStart_CN02B.pdf

Also programming guide in English.
http://www.siglent.com.cn/upload_file/document/SHS800X_SHS1000X_ProgrammingGuide_EN11A.pdf

Product sheets with all new 2022 products (including SHS800X and SHS1000X comparison tables)
https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/Siglent%20Products%20Catalog_CN.pdf

Big take is 200Mhz on SHS1000X. Old model i max 100Mhz.

Edit:
Base price is 4000  RMB so around 600 euro for lowest model.
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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2022, 12:34:07 pm »
Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.

Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.
 

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Re: New X model Siglent Handhelds coming.
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2022, 04:20:53 am »
Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.

Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.
Official release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2022, 05:02:49 am »
Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.

Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.

Are you sure you have looked right price in Taobao. It looks more like SHS1072X price. In Europe, models are SHS1102X and SHS1202X only.

It looks more like Taobao price for SHS1102X is 14980 RMB (including taxes inside China).  With official BOC account buying rate 1EUR = 6.9869 RMB (just now) this is 2144 euro.   (14980 RMB is also Siglent China official domestic price).
I found 4 Taobao seller when I just search SHS1102X in Tao, and if I am buyer all these looks more like "stay away" least until mopre deep look. (mostly these kind of things can buy from manufacturer official store and get far better customer protection (inside China).

In Siglent own official flagship store in Tmall there is is only SHS807X and SHS810X models available, not at all SHS1000X models at this time. 
Also Siglent official store in Jingdong have only SHS800X models, model group SHS1000X is listed but it include 0.
So, I do not even believe these Taobao sellers really have SHS1000X models in they own stock ready for immediate shipping/delivery (as they claim).


Official SHS1102X price in Europe  1399 euro and SHS1202X  1699 eur (prices VAT 0 !)
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2022, 02:23:26 pm »
Official release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.

It looks very good!  I wish the pricing was a bit more aggressive, but if they perform as advertised they have nothing to apologize for at $1899 for the SHS1102X.

A couple of questions:

They list the logging as 'sample logging'.  I presume that this means that you can only log measurements (like RMS voltage) from the DMM function?  Or can you log calculated measurements from the scope like you can with the SDS1x04X-E?

Are the external current shunts included?

The SHS800X models are listed as having an "isolated chassis" as opposed to the "isolated channels" of the SHS1000X.  Does this mean it is designed to be safely used for measurements where the ground lead would be floating and the only limitation is that the two channels can't be floating independently?  Like an old 90-series ScopeMeter?
A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2022, 06:26:32 pm »
Official release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.

It looks very good!  I wish the pricing was a bit more aggressive, but if they perform as advertised they have nothing to apologize for at $1899 for the SHS1102X.

A couple of questions:

They list the logging as 'sample logging'.  I presume that this means that you can only log measurements (like RMS voltage) from the DMM function?  Or can you log calculated measurements from the scope like you can with the SDS1x04X-E?

Are the external current shunts included?

The SHS800X models are listed as having an "isolated chassis" as opposed to the "isolated channels" of the SHS1000X.  Does this mean it is designed to be safely used for measurements where the ground lead would be floating and the only limitation is that the two channels can't be floating independently?  Like an old 90-series ScopeMeter?

SHS1000X have full isolation between two oscilloscope channels and multimeter channel power adapter and USB host/device ports.
Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others.  Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )

And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.
SHS1000X models include also PB925 250 MHz 10X passive probes (Safe voltage levels: CAT II 1000 V, CAT III 600 V).

From User Manual can read more: https://www.siglenteu.com/download/12433/

Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.


Isolation:  Very big difference between SHS800X and SHS1000X
Look carefully oscilloscope inputs!.  SHS1000X have isolation between channels including also channels GND's.
SHS800X  do not have isolation between cannels, they have same both same GND.

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2022, 07:01:41 pm »
Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others.  Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )

And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.

Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.

Yes, I understood the isolation on the SH1000X.  Since you posted the manual, which I couldn't find at first, I see the the SH800X series is only nominally isolated and is only rated to allow the grounds to float (together) up to 30V.

The logging looks very good.  The only thing left to ask for is power analysis!  :)
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2022, 07:16:22 pm »
Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others.  Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )

And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.

Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.

Yes, I understood the isolation on the SH1000X.  Since you posted the manual, which I couldn't find at first, I see the the SH800X series is only nominally isolated and is only rated to allow the grounds to float (together) up to 30V.

The logging looks very good. 

The only thing left to ask for is power analysis! :)

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2022, 03:08:18 pm »
I ordered a SHS810X today. Delivery May 20 if all goes well. Hopefully it can be hacked to 200mhz in the future.

Would have been really nice with a 4,5 DMM but in reality the 6000 count meter meets all my requirements. Hopefully it’s pretty fast and responsive.
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2022, 03:33:43 pm »
Got my unit today and will be returned. All double buttons don’t trigger when pushed in and you feel they are in the bottom. When at the bottom you need to press even harder to register the press.

 Wheel is very vague and middle button is very easy to press with no click to indicate you pressed something.
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