Siglent new X model Handheld Scopemeters

[slugrustle]

Has anyone else given an SHS800X or SHS1000X a try?

[j_omega]

I would also be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with the SHS X series.

[symphonystars]

Got last month the SHS1202X(was aiming to the 1102X but was out of stock and no eta for restock) to replace my old fluke 105B and so far seems to work quite well.However things i dont really like:

-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off  but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes

-when you move the trace with the position buttons it goes from small steps to big steps almost instantaneously

[tautech]

Got last month the SHS1202X(was aiming to the 1102X but was out of stock and no eta for restock) to replace my old fluke 105B and so far seems to work quite well.However things i dont really like:

-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off  but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes

-when you move the trace with the position buttons it goes from small steps to big steps almost instantaneously

Welcome to the forum and thanks for your feedback.

We'll have a SHS820X in a few weeks to check these things out also however this is a brand new product and as yet zero firmware updates are available for it.

-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off  but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on

Many Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

[symphonystars]

Hi tautech,

Many Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

i was expecting a behavior like the 2104x-plus but in this case is always Power ON = Default setting 

For explample right now my default settings for channel 1 are 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10. If i change them to let's say 500mV/div-AC coupling-BW limit off -Probe x1 and power it off then on the next power on they will go back to 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10.

[j_omega]

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

This may be a deal breaker for me. I specifically need that functionality

-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes

I believe the older models had this same problem.


One of the previous posts had mentioned problems with the buttons requiring a lot of force. Any thoughts on that matter?

[j_omega]

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

The user manual mentions that saving a CSV file can take a long time. I wonder if the apparent lockup is just the UI freezing while the file is being written. See the attached image. I know that my Rigol scope can take several minutes to save a CSV file.

[tautech]

Hi tautech,

Many Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

i was expecting a behavior like the 2104x-plus but in this case is always Power ON = Default setting 

For explample right now my default settings for channel 1 are 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10. If i change them to let's say 500mV/div-AC coupling-BW limit off -Probe x1 and power it off then on the next power on they will go back to 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10.

That is certainly a bug !

I'll talk to some ppl. 

For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.

All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.
I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.
Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.

Report how that works for you.   

[symphonystars]

The user manual mentions that saving a CSV file can take a long time. I wonder if the apparent lockup is just the UI freezing while the file is being written. See the attached image. I know that my Rigol scope can take several minutes to save a CSV file.

No i'm quite sure the lockup was not apparent since nothing changed even after 20-30 min.Also i didn't have any problem saving a 1.2Mpts CSV when a usb pendrive was plugged.

One of the previous posts had mentioned problems with the buttons requiring a lot of force. Any thoughts on that matter?

At least on mine they require a normal amount of force(maybe just a bit more on the double buttons) 

That is certainly a bug !

I'll talk to some ppl. 

For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.

All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.
I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.
Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.

Report how that works for you.   

thanks,

i can confirm with that now it boots with the settings i saved as default 

for now i can live with this bug but i'll be happy if a future firmware will fix it among other fixes/improvements 

[tautech]

From tautech

That is certainly a bug !

I'll talk to some ppl. 

For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.

All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.
I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.
Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.

Report how that works for you.   

thanks,

i can confirm with that now it boots with the settings i saved as default 

for now i can live with this bug but i'll be happy if a future firmware will fix it among other fixes/improvements 

Further, you can save a Setup to be recalled at anytime.
See P160
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/22_05_17/SHS800X&SHS1000X_UserManual_EN01B.pdf

[tautech]

SHS820X arrived today and just in time to be demo'ed to a customer that has need for a portable device. 

Only had a few minutes to play with it thus far and already see some issues that need taking up with the SHS product manager that we're very lucky to be given direct access to.
Those issues....nothing that some FW crafting can't solve and also have a small list of feature requests.

The list so far from previous posts: (thanks folks, keep them coming)
Last settings not returned at boot < this is a serious bug IMO.
Better/faster continuity tester
CSV save problems/bug
Encoder algorithm improvements needed < saw this first hand today also.

A new FW version is apparently in the build and we've asked for a beta to check advances and maybe offer feature requests.

[j_omega]

Mine should be here at the end of August. I already have a bunch of field work queued up for when it arrives.

[tautech]

Playing with some as yet undocumented stuff......ie, not in the manuals yet !

These handhelds have 2 USB connections under a side cover, one USB-A for memory sticks for screenshots and logging and the other a Micro USB I think for connection to a PC and the unit is supplied with this ~1m long cable.

New SHS X models connect just fine with EasyScopeX for the various features it offers however some functionality used with the EasyScopeX Virtual panel is not yet working as it should and some of the programming is badly busted ! 
I do like how the virtual encoders can be adjusted with a mouse scroll wheel however I didn't say they worked correctly. 
Anyways, a snap of the Virtual panel overlaid on the EasyScopeX window from where you launch it....but now very different after the new EasyScopeX version with full SHS X model support.

[tautech]

Beta FW and a new version of EasyScopeX has arrived to assess.
FW installed and reboot status checked.....last used settings are now returned at boot ! 

Several checks to do and a report to file of findings and possible feature requests.
Too late to do more today but it already looks promising. 

[j_omega]

My SHS1000X arrived today. Its going to see some immediate use in the lab and field. I will report back soon.

[j_omega]

Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

[tautech]

Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

You may be overdriving the ADC by exceeding the offset limits, check the datasheet.
To avoid being trapped by this again keep the waveform amplitude on the display confines OR use the Vertical Reference setting in the Utility menu.

Found a bug in mine today, now reported to the PM.
User error. 

[j_omega]

Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

You may be overdriving the ADC by exceeding the offset limits, check the datasheet.
To avoid being trapped by this again keep the waveform amplitude on the display confines OR use the Vertical Reference setting in the Utility menu.

Found a bug in mine today, now reported to the PM.
User error. 

I would not consider this normal behavior by any means. I have used a wide variety of Agilent and Tektronix scopes at work. A input larger than the window range should never result in an erroneous value, even if it is outside of the ADC range.

[j_omega]

I should clarify, the erroneous value is this large negative spike

[tv84]

Looks like an integer overflow...

[j_omega]

Looks like an integer overflow...

I was thinking the same...

[tautech]

Some simple Decode tests with the beta firmware and STB-3.
Trigger settings only using a timeout to prevent retriggering within a packet.
UART and LIN as attached.

More later.

Looks like an integer overflow...

I was thinking the same...

I'll try to replicate your findings with the beta FW.

[tautech]

Further investigation/learning of the SHS X
FFT Max Hold
10 KHz 200mV sinewave ex SDG6202X.

[tautech]

More SHS X series investigations.
Simple I2C decode.

[oewean]

New firmware for SHS800X and SHS1000X series released today: 1.1.20
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/handheld-oscilloscopes/

Release notes:
1. Optimize power consummation while enable the DMM
2. Optimize save/recall user’s interface’
3. Optimize ADC interleave noise on SHS1000X models
4. Optimize response of the horizontal and vertical position button
5. Support remote control by using EasyscopeX version P22
6. Fixed several bugs
a) User’s configuration not saved after power cycle’
b) Some display and control bugs under DMM
c) Device frozen while saving large CSV files to local memory
d) Some bugs in roll mode