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Products => Test Equipment => Topic started by: Ben321 on June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pm
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I was just googling for Picoscope, and this appeared in the "Sponsored" section above the actual search results. https://www.processcontrolexperts.com/Tektronix/MSO68B-6-BW-10000/ (https://www.processcontrolexperts.com/Tektronix/MSO68B-6-BW-10000/)
At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen! Why does it cost so much?
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Because it's 10 GHz, that's really exotic stuff. $200k is not all that outlandish for high dollar specialized test gear. At a former job we had a HDMI analyzer that was around $100k and it was not nearly as fancy looking as a scope. IIRC my TDS748C was around $40k in the late 90s which would be considerably more today and it's "only" 1GHz and 4 channels.
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How many engineer-years do you think it took to develop? How many do you think they are going to sell?
That's your answer.
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Those are rookie numbers. 110GHz 4-channel version of the Keysight UXR-Series scope costs $1.3mil. There is probably less than 100 customers for that worldwide.
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Why does it cost so much?
Two 50GSa/s ADCs @ 12 bits? 8 channels with 10GHz front ends? 64 logic channels? FHD 15.6" screen? The Tek name? :)
If you still think it is expensive, price out a set of IsoVu TIVP1 differential probes for it. At $28K each, a set of 8 will cost more than the scope.
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At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen! Why does it cost so much?
This can go >1M I believe.
(https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/tsp-133-keysight-uxr-110ghz-bw-256gs_s-10-bit-real-time-oscilloscope-teardown-experiments-33-52-screenshot-e1537665615399.png?w=800)
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At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen!
:-//
Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c)
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At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen!
Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster
Except that was a "joke" and not to be taken literally... so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?
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$1mil+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE)
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Except that was a "joke"
I believe you don't appreciate the engineering effort that went into the design of it.
so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?
Was it more than $200,000 or not?
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so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?
Was it more than $200,000 or not?
It wasnt a dumpster find, which is what you claimed.
Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster
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so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?
Was it more than $200,000 or not?
It wasnt a dumpster find, which is what you claimed.
Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke)
https://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/ (https://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/)
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so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?
Was it more than $200,000 or not?
It wasnt a dumpster find, which is what you claimed.
Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke)
https://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/ (https://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/)
So how is your post in context of a joke? Its not. The video is a "joke" (apparently, not clear at all) and you made zero suggestion of joke.
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Guys, please knock it off. It was tongue in cheek and not serious. :palm:
At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen! Why does it cost so much?
As others have said, such prices are not unheard on the scientific markets. The R&D, materials and the very specific group of users exert enormous pressure on the manufacturer to recover the costs in the early life of such equipment. Over the years the technology catches up and tends to push the prices down (case of the TDS784 mentioned above).
At work I have been using turn-of-the-century VNAs that were absolutely above anything I would have imagined using back then - on par of whst you mentioned. Nowadays they are hauled around the lab as any other equipment and some even scoff at their older Windows 2000 OSes. I love them and bring an air of nostalgia to me...
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At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen! Why does it cost so much?
This can go >1M I believe.
(https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/tsp-133-keysight-uxr-110ghz-bw-256gs_s-10-bit-real-time-oscilloscope-teardown-experiments-33-52-screenshot-e1537665615399.png?w=800)
Look at the noise on that thing for $1mil you'd expect better
>:D
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I wonder what the price difference is for this now compared to when it came out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk)
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Those are rookie numbers. 110GHz 4-channel version of the Keysight UXR-Series scope costs $1.3mil. There is probably less than 100 customers for that worldwide.
For the 110GHz 4ch version, yeah, probably. But PCIe Gen 5 compliance testing requires a 50GHz scope, and Gen 6 is coming soon. If you go with a Keysight scope, they'll just tell you to buy an UXR.
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Have you factored in the 6% eevblog discount? :)
FWIW, the “edu” price is about $28,000 less… then you subtract the 6% eevblog discount at tequipment.com :)
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Have you factored in the 6% eevblog discount? :)
FWIW, the “edu” price is about $28,000 less… then you subtract the 6% eevblog discount at tequipment.com :)
Which more than covers the price of a 2 GHz 4ch SDS6204A.
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so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?
Was it more than $200,000 or not?
It wasnt a dumpster find, which is what you claimed.
Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke)
https://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/ (https://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/)
So how is your post in context of a joke? Its not. The video is a "joke" (apparently, not clear at all) and you made zero suggestion of joke.
It was an April Fools joke, and the very best ones are not clear until the end, in order to get maximum face-palmage from the audience. It was a pretty good one, along with Big Clive's radioactive MRE...
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When I saw the topic I expected to find a scope that combusted and burnt the lab down...
Now I'm disappointed with the 200k price tag.
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More like a $20k scope with feature amputation removed...
But then it's still a toy for for most people who don't need the features.
Like driving a sports car, could go 400km/h, but you're only allowed to drive 120km/h, so in reality it's much less trouble to have disposable junk than a $200k item on your bench/in your driveway.
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It was an April Fools joke
what kind of thinking that 1 day out of 365 days in a year is ok to make lies?
At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen! Why does it cost so much?
so thats the reason why since dumpster is a joke, the best place to search is in ebay or other used/bid items sites, so we can get a hold on some WinXP GHz scope at 1/100x the price, even for not so long. we are willing to trade with blood in order to make (fix) it works for as long as it can get to work.
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It was an April Fools joke
what kind of thinking that 1 day out of 365 days in a year is ok to make lies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8TCRUd9rA&ab_channel=ScarlettOHara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8TCRUd9rA&ab_channel=ScarlettOHara)
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Ok, marked it for buy on Ebay, when the price is down to 1..2k. Maybe not too distant future. :D
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Two 50GSa/s ADCs @ 12 bits? 8 channels with 10GHz front ends?
Definitely!
64 logic channels?
Ehh, impressive, but not that mindblowing (compared to the analog channels at least) if you consider that a 10Gbps network adapter is similar. But there's 64 of them, so, still counts.
FHD 15.6" screen?
Okay, now you're off the mark, every iPad has a much better screen. :D That probably changes nothing about the price, at this level.
The Tek name? :)
That's more like it. :)
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Keysight has a refurbished 63GHz 160 GSa/S 4-channel for $520k. It also comes with a 1 year warranty ;D
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109)
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Are they using BNCs for 10GHz inputs?
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Keysight has a refurbished 63GHz 160 GSa/S 4-channel for $520k. It also comes with a 1 year warranty ;D
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109)
... and it is 15% off!
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Keysight has a refurbished 63GHz 160 GSa/S 4-channel for $520k. It also comes with a 1 year warranty ;D
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109)
... and it is 15% off!
Plus it's "Make an Offer" offer a cool half a million and see if they accept it. :-DD
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... used/bid items sites, so we can get a hold on some WinXP GHz scope at 1/100x the price, even for not so long. we are willing to trade with blood in order to make (fix) it works for as long as it can get to work.
Yes. That's the only way I can afford it.
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Why does it cost so much?
If you still think it is expensive, price out a set of IsoVu TIVP1 differential probes for it. At $28K each, a set of 8 will cost more than the scope.
One of the big reasons why Tek isn't on benches.
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This can go >1M I believe.
(https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/tsp-133-keysight-uxr-110ghz-bw-256gs_s-10-bit-real-time-oscilloscope-teardown-experiments-33-52-screenshot-e1537665615399.png?w=800)
How much for a four channel version?
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1.3mn I believe.
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One of the big reasons why Tek isn't on benches.
Tek is certainly on some benches, although their new stuff isn't likely to be found on mine anytime soon unless I win a lottery. But can you match the specs of the TIVP1 anywhere else at a lower price? If that's what you need then you have to pay up.
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unless I win a lottery
if i win 1m lottery i'll stop doing anything. maybe sometime with my rigol ds1054z during boring time. if my ds1054z break, i can buy another one.
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Plenty of examples of people winning a lottery who quit their work, blew all the money and ended broken.
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I sell my own design cheapo USB scopes for £30 !
Not bad for 20 mega samples with analogue display and spectrum analyser.
Good enough for basic audio work.
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At work they rented one of those Keysight boxes for a few weeks to measure some high speed differential signaling (don't know what, wasn't my project). A front view picture doesn't give you the perspective of how enormous these things are. The side view shows the gazillion fans these things have. And you'd better have the right adapters/probes or all you can do is stare at it. This box has nothing to do with regular scope probes.
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...blew all the money and ended broken.
dont blew all of it then... just what is enough for your daily consumption.. thats the problem with people with lottery mentality, they think they are God anointed one that will get another second chance... greed... (i dont actually put my chance on lottery. that is just... IF)
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Plenty of examples of people winning a lottery who quit their work, blew all the money and ended broken.
Money is very dangerous if given to the wrong person. It can be as dangerous as poison if they don't know how to handle it properly.
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Money is very dangerous if given to the wrong person. It can be as dangerous as poison if they don't know how to handle it properly.
And there is a significant overlap between people that don't know how to properly handle money and people that play lottery.
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I sell my own design cheapo USB scopes for £30 !
Not bad for 20 mega samples with analogue display and spectrum analyser.
Good enough for basic audio work.
I don't really see what that has to do with this thread. 20MS/s is a toy, a nearly 30 year old TDS320 can do 500MS/s. So yes, it's cheap, but you get what you pay for.
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I don't really see what that has to do with this thread. 20MS/s is a toy, a nearly 30 year old TDS320 can do 500MS/s. So yes, it's cheap, but you get what you pay for.
nigelwright7557 likes to promote random crap he sells. He used to shit on KiCAD, but I guess sales of whatever random PCB design software plummeted, so now it is scopes with decade old characteristics.
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Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c)
Ever since I saw that video, every April first I scour the dumpsters in my city, but I have yet to be that lucky!
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Dave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster:
[clickbait video]
Ever since I saw that video, every April first I scour the dumpsters in my city, but I have yet to be that lucky!
....and that people is how you frame a joke!
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Plenty of examples of people winning a lottery who quit their work, blew all the money and ended broken.
Money is very dangerous if given to the wrong person. It can be as dangerous as poison if they don't know how to handle it properly.
True. I can keep it safe for you, and to protect you I promise you'll never get it back.
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Plenty of examples of people winning a lottery who quit their work, blew all the money and ended broken.
Money is very dangerous if given to the wrong person. It can be as dangerous as poison if they don't know how to handle it properly.
True. I can keep it safe for you, and to protect you I promise you'll never get it back.
Oh no, I wouldn't want to take the risk of you dying because I gave you money.
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A few years ago I took a crack at making a demonstration of LeCroy's DBI (Digital Bandwidth Interleaving) based on their patents. Roger Delbue from LeCroy chimed in.
It starts at about 6 minutes in. I'm not a good teacher so if you get lost, check the first comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D33lCZAYmMM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D33lCZAYmMM)