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Oscilloscope Dilemma
themadhippy:
--- Quote ---Then make a spreadsheet of features on both series -E and -U.
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no need,think its on siglents own website, theres a comparison table
--- Quote ---When you can get a nice 2 channel 200 MHz scope with an abundance of features for $399, it's pretty hard to complain about the price. SDS1202X-E - Remember, we got along with 2 channel scopes for a very long time.
The SDS1104X-U matches the price at $399; you give up 200 MHz for 100 MHz but gain 2 more channels.
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horses for courses,i dont have much use for 100Mhz,let alone 200,4 channels is much more use for the sort of stuff i tinker with
--- Quote ---It would cost another $100 over the -U to get the SDS1104X--E
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About £70 difference in the uk,So are you going to give me the extra £70? or do i put off buying for another 6 months until i can afford one,meanwhile the money has slowly been nibbled at and/or the prices have gone up
tautech:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 05, 2022, 08:34:33 pm ---
--- Quote ---Then make a spreadsheet of features on both series -E and -U.
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no need,think its on siglents own website, theres a comparison table
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If it's this one it's next to useless:
https://siglentna.com/application-note/differences_xe_vs_xu/
The one I posted done by rf-loop is what it instead should be with the additional features added into 4ch X-E's recently.
Wallace Gasiewicz:
I use an Agilent 54820 scope that has the HD upgraded. 2 Gs/Sec and 500 MHz Bandwith. I think this would be categorized as an "older" DSO.
I bought the Agilent because there was a bit of confusion about the newer Rigol etc... scopes quality a few years back. Reading now about scopes, it seems that the Sigilent Scopes are really good and probably better than my Agilent.
It took me a while to learn to use this digital scope. Bought it used for $ 400. It is physically much larger than the new scopes. I think it is a keeper.
My only real disappointment is that it appears to get confused and requires that I use the autoscope feature to get a trace sometimes. Mostly happens at low KHz audio freq.
It would also be nice to have an input for an external freq standard. I am of the current opinion that scopes in general do not have a really good internal freq standard. Maybe I am wrong. I cannot find a way to "calibrate" the internal 100 MHz freq standard, if someone knows, let me know.
It is a little difficult to learn the features, it takes time. Things like X vs Y take a few steps to set up. But any computer thing with features is a bit more complicated to set up for these features.
I still cannot use it to get a decent trace for a transistor curve tracer, which is a snap with my analog scopes.
The FFT is OK but I use a spectrum analyzer for my measurements, so I really don't know how to use it to it's full potential.
I think that spectrum analyzers in general are better than most scopes with FFT, again I could be wrong about modern scopes. Bdunham's trace looks very nice. Maybe I should poke around a little and see what I can get on the screen.
My backup CRT scope is an HP 1980, 100 MHz, cost $ 18,000 with freq counter in 1985. (bought it used and broken, now works fine)
It has digital storage for waveforms that is very crude compared to modern DSO. also has autoscope function. And measures rise time and other stuff.
By the way I also have a Tek 475, 200 MHz scope that I can part with, if anyone is interested.
If anyone buys a used scope, please make sure you get the proper probes for the particular scope.
Since using the Agilent, I find it hard to use anything without readouts on the screen and the color screen makes a world of difference. Old CRT scope readouts are not as easy to see at a glance.
The big color screens are a blessing for us who have old eyes. Also gotta love the magenta!
The video output is nice for using a larger computer monitor also.
It took a while but now I find it hard to go back to CRT scopes.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on December 05, 2022, 10:42:57 pm ---If anyone buys a used scope, please make sure you get the proper probes for the particular scope.
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Why? High-Z Oscilloscope probes are pretty much standard and basically a dime-a-dozen. The only thing to watch out for is whether the capacitance adjustment range covers the specified capacitance of the oscilloscope input. Beyond -say- 100MHz feeding a signal directly into an oscilloscope using a 50 Ohm coax is a good idea if you want to have something on screen that resembles the actual signal.
When I buy a used scope, the High-Z probes that come with it go into the bin unless they are new in a sealed package. Nobody gives away perfect probes with a used scope. IMHO used probes are like used underwear. Really special, expensive probes are a different thing though but these are usually well cared for and nobody has driven an office chair over the cable or let the dog chew them up.
james_s:
--- Quote from: nctnico on December 05, 2022, 11:23:50 pm ---When I buy a used scope, the High-Z probes that come with it go into the bin unless they are new in a sealed package. Nobody gives away perfect probes with a used scope. IMHO used probes are like used underwear. Really special, expensive probes are a different thing though but these are usually well cared for and nobody has driven an office chair over the cable or let the dog chew them up.
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It's hardly like used underwear, nobody has had them in their private bits, hopefully. I have a few very old probes that still work fine, if they're damaged or defective I'll replace them. Most of the scopes I've owned are Tek though and rely on the coding pin to display the correct order of magnitude, most aftermarket probes lack that.
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