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Oscilloscope Purchase Advice around 600AUD
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KungFuJosh:
I'm not selling anything, and I think Siglent is significantly better: in design, platform, and especially in support. Speaking of support, @tautech has helped me and countless others learn about this stuff, and he's on the wrong continent to sell me anything. He's just a good person.
2N3055:

--- Quote from: Fungus on October 24, 2023, 01:22:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: tautech on October 24, 2023, 09:28:00 am ---And more experience in satisfying customers requirements with cost effective solutions than you'll ever have laddie !

--- End quote ---

Yep, I'm sure you can bend ears with the best of them.

OTOH you have nothing that's even close to the DHO800 in your lineup so you might not be doing people a favor.

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And based on what facts do you state that?
On base of what metrics?

Did you fully inform the person what compromises and caveats are there, if any. For which YOU take right to decide what is important or not to someone else.

Difference between you and Tautech is that he actually SELLS this stuff.
He has his livelihood at stake if he doesn't deliver promised stuff.
Will you take Rigol scope that you recommended back from that person if they don't like it?

Cause Rob will. You see, being and honest salesmen is not a derogative, it makes him more qualified to make recommendations on this topic than you. Cause that is literally his job. He will make recommendation from brands he sells, of course, but if someone asks for feature that does not exisi he will tell you it does not. He won't lie.

You are not in a position to promise anything in name or Rigol.  You deny to work for them and claim neutrality.

If you want diversity and inclusion of Rigol DH800 in discussion, politely point out there is another scope that should be included into discussion and point OP to the threads about it. Bugs and all. Answer the questions if people ask.


tautech:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on October 24, 2023, 02:36:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on October 24, 2023, 01:22:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: tautech on October 24, 2023, 09:28:00 am ---And more experience in satisfying customers requirements with cost effective solutions than you'll ever have laddie !

--- End quote ---

Yep, I'm sure you can bend ears with the best of them.

OTOH you have nothing that's even close to the DHO800 in your lineup so you might not be doing people a favor.

--- End quote ---

And based on what facts do you state that?
On base of what metrics?

Did you fully inform the person what compromises and caveats are there, if any. For which YOU take right to decide what is important or not to someone else.

Difference between you and Tautech is that he actually SELLS this stuff.
He has his livelihood at stake if he doesn't deliver promised stuff.
Will you take Rigol scope that you recommended back from that person if they don't like it?

Cause Rob will. You see, being and honest salesmen is not a derogative, it makes him more qualified to make recommendations on this topic than you. Cause that is literally his job. He will make recommendation from brands he sells, of course, but if someone asks for feature that does not exisi he will tell you it does not. He won't lie.

You are not in a position to promise anything in name or Rigol.  You deny to work for them and claim neutrality.

If you want diversity and inclusion of Rigol DH800 in discussion, politely point out there is another scope that should be included into discussion and point OP to the threads about it. Bugs and all. Answer the questions if people ask.

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Thanks but I think it better we don't feed the laddie troll that has no idea the levels that you or I work at.  ;)
mwb1100:

--- Quote from: techboy on October 24, 2023, 06:04:07 am ---Thanks guys, its about 150$ extra for SDS1104X-E. Its annoying that logic analyzer is about 740$ and requires some kind of license  :-- while hantek one seems to be a passive kinda extension probes box.
Perhaps that is how they justify the below 1500$ price.

Seems the same for the wifi, the license seems to be 75$, anyone had good luck with dongles? Read somewhere re tplink been ok.

Its funny how i started with 150$ pocket one budget, passed through 400$ used ones and now heading to 700$  :palm:

I read about a bunch of hacks around them in the forum, but is it pretty much a locked model with these licenses? Not that I need speed hacks etc. at least atm.

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All of the licenses on the SDS1104X-E can be hacked with keys generated by a script.  That doesn't help with the hardware for the logic probes or wavegen, but you can get 200MHz bandwidth and enable WiFi that works with a $10 TP-Link TL-WN725N.

If you need a logic analyzer, there are many capable USB devices available from $10 and up.  Many people find that a $10 Saleae Logic (classic) clone with sigrok open source software meets their needs.
2N3055:

--- Quote from: mwb1100 on October 24, 2023, 05:14:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: techboy on October 24, 2023, 06:04:07 am ---Thanks guys, its about 150$ extra for SDS1104X-E. Its annoying that logic analyzer is about 740$ and requires some kind of license  :-- while hantek one seems to be a passive kinda extension probes box.
Perhaps that is how they justify the below 1500$ price.

Seems the same for the wifi, the license seems to be 75$, anyone had good luck with dongles? Read somewhere re tplink been ok.

Its funny how i started with 150$ pocket one budget, passed through 400$ used ones and now heading to 700$  :palm:

I read about a bunch of hacks around them in the forum, but is it pretty much a locked model with these licenses? Not that I need speed hacks etc. at least atm.

--- End quote ---

All of the licenses on the SDS1104X-E can be hacked with keys generated by a script.  That doesn't help with the hardware for the logic probes or wavegen, but you can get 200MHz bandwidth and enable WiFi that works with a $10 TP-Link TL-WN725N.

If you need a logic analyzer, there are many capable USB devices available from $10 and up.  Many people find that a $10 Saleae Logic (classic) clone with sigrok open source software meets their needs.

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Proper MSO integration is nice thing, and gives capability that no USB LA can provide.
MSO gives you 20 channel scope of which 4 are analog. And correlated in time. Only you can know if that is useful to you..

For most part, you can use analog channels to decode simple serial protocols, and to verify how signal looks.
But if you need to decode lots of messages (to debug something on a software side) USB LA will allow you to do that more comfortably, on a big PC screen.
Despite MSO scope or not, cheap USB LA is always good idea...

Simply put, for debugging SPI communication between two chips,  you use scope to verify voltages and shapes of signal are OK, enable SPI decoding on scope, exchange some data, verify addresses and general communication, and then switch to USB LA to debug hundreds of messages to verify all data from sensor, your software etc..
With effort and clever planning you can do lots of work that way.

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