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| Martin72:
LOL :-DD Made my day.. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on June 13, 2020, 08:48:27 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on June 13, 2020, 06:20:51 am --- --- Quote from: Elasia on June 12, 2020, 10:35:30 pm --- --- Quote from: Martin72 on June 12, 2020, 10:30:58 pm ---The beauty of dso is, you can change nearly everything in firmware. So, in case of siglent, why don“t change the memory management, letting the user allow to choose for himself always the maximum memory - or choosing it to auto. --- End quote --- They do.. from their own workflow its fine as it is and even with my own now that i know how it works, its just that everyone else whom dont understand how to use the zoom control to control it.. and thats a great deal of people --- End quote --- Nonsense. Zoom mode just wastes precious space when you need to set it to the full memory depth in order to force an oscilloscope to use all the memory. There is nu useful information in there to have it on screen. Search and (when decoding) the list with decoded packages are way more useful navigation tools. And using the decoded list view in turn requires to do full memory decoding and not just what is on screen. --- End quote --- Again you use wording that makes it look like you insist that people are stupid if they don't think like you. Zoom is useful, and navigational clues and buffer position are crucial piece of it. You just dislike it. On your R&S with large screen and freely configurable zoom size, it well worth the screen space it uses. On Picoscope with excellent zoom implementation it doesn't even use additional screen space at all. It is very easy and intuitive to use. --- End quote --- You misunderstand my point but I see I had to clarify it better. If you have to use zoom mode to force an oscilloscope to use all the memory then the zoom mode loses it's intended function: offering a view on a signal using 2 different time/div / horizontal position settings. As you already stated this is very useful to keep track of 2 different parts of a at the same time (which is precisely why dual time bases where invented). However viewing the entire buffer in a zoom window just produces a bunch of colored horizontal bars in most cases. The picture Tautech posted above shows that. IOW: It is a waste of screen space taken by zoom mode AND loss of functionality if the only purpose of zoom mode is to have a workaround to force an oscilloscope to use all the memory. |
| Elasia:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on June 13, 2020, 02:38:39 am ---Forgetting about the zoom out feature entirely, why on earth can't a user who manually selected X memory depth get that memory depth at the timebase they want? --- End quote --- Because they are boneheads who didnt think of it like that? From their perspective why would you need such a silly feature when you have a full advanced module to use instead? Function already exists.. go make something else / dont waste your time on X feature mentality.. as the chinese would say.. its 'chabuduo' and usually the best way to deal with that is just be insistent without causing them to lose face when they originally didnt care it was substandard. This was the basis for my earlier comment about their culture being that way.. just something that is common with their culture anyone having stuff made there has to be aware of if any QC Either way from what tau posted it sounds like they will add UI functions to do just that since its just an extension of the zoom functions already there or rather i should say it is storing the data already if in zoom mode.. copy paste code / build UI without zoom UI and make a lot more people happy.. which is actually a better outcome because it means they are listening and willing to actively address it For the longest time I thought they flat out didnt even support timebase / expanded memory depth which always irked me because otherwise you are forced to look at a giant blob of a cluster fuck and good luck figuring that out if you are just watching it while waiting to trigger |
| Elasia:
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 13, 2020, 05:13:25 pm ---You misunderstand my point but I see I had to clarify it better. If you have to use zoom mode to force an oscilloscope to use all the memory then the zoom mode loses it's intended function: offering a view on a signal using 2 different time/div / horizontal position settings. As you already stated this is very useful to keep track of 2 different parts of a at the same time (which is precisely why dual time bases where invented). However viewing the entire buffer in a zoom window just produces a bunch of colored horizontal bars in most cases. The picture Tautech posted above shows that. IOW: It is a waste of screen space taken by zoom mode AND loss of functionality if the only purpose of zoom mode is to have a workaround to force an oscilloscope to use all the memory. --- End quote --- Same reason i keep bringing up the UI needs modded to allow those components to be selectively hidden or shown or even a small slider... aka just tell if you want expanded memory when available and display it in the timebase box like 'normal' I both like the full waveform slider and dislike it at the same time... the screen is big enough that it doesnt matter its there or not really.. that said however i want my real estate back anyway because its just a distraction unless im actually wanting to scroll through it and in that case just unhide it |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: jemangedeslolos on June 13, 2020, 04:57:10 pm ---Now that the whole world has discovered the scope, his pros and cons, Siglent will release a corrective firmware. Everyone will be amazed by Siglent, the speed of the brand to take into account demands from its customers and they will not be able to manufacture enough. --- End quote --- Where have you been ? :-// They can't produce enough of these already as members here will attest by sourcing any they could find from all over the world. It's price point, feature set and core specs identified it was to be a strong contender in the DSO market even before release. The only worry is how any zoom out feature might be implemented for those having trouble to adapt the existing tool set as it could possible impact on the features already available. We don't want that. |
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