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Oscilloscope Zoom Out Quirk
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tautech on June 14, 2020, 09:47:39 am ---
--- Quote from: Elasia on June 14, 2020, 09:02:58 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on June 13, 2020, 10:40:46 pm ---Way ahead of you on this.......any capture first needs available memory .......but it's already assigned for post trigger History !
Zoom out capture memory depth requirements cannot grab memory from thin air...it's already being used...post trigger !
So to implement capture zoom out another memory management strategy need be developed and this is being discussed privately.
Got a clever plan, we're all ears. :popcorn:
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And yes it needs memory... so where is it getting that memory in zoom mode? It was already assigned to buffering.. because the user said they wanted zoom mode.. this is zoom mode without all the fancy UI.. hell.. use the zoom button for it and just make a right side UI control panel for it.. aka another zoom ui if hiding the other parts.. then let the user default that mode if they choose
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Seems I missed the full meaning of you earlier post but rf-loop didn't and it seems a very valid solution. :-+
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No. Just like you rf-loop doesn't even understand the actual problem at hand. With rf-loop's solution you still lose the zoom function for it's intended purpose. Dave did mis-name this thread by calling the behaviour a quirk; the zoom-out feature actually is there by design in other oscilloscopes. Before making any other comments take the time to study user manuals and watch videos on how oscilloscope's from the competition work and try to understand why they work that way. Or just wait until Siglent fixes the firmware. You'll see there will be zero impact on existing functionality. I really don't understand why you are so opposed on improving the product you are selling. :palm:
tautech:
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 14, 2020, 10:00:23 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on June 14, 2020, 09:47:39 am ---
--- Quote from: Elasia on June 14, 2020, 09:02:58 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on June 13, 2020, 10:40:46 pm ---Way ahead of you on this.......any capture first needs available memory .......but it's already assigned for post trigger History !
Zoom out capture memory depth requirements cannot grab memory from thin air...it's already being used...post trigger !
So to implement capture zoom out another memory management strategy need be developed and this is being discussed privately.
Got a clever plan, we're all ears. :popcorn:
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And yes it needs memory... so where is it getting that memory in zoom mode? It was already assigned to buffering.. because the user said they wanted zoom mode.. this is zoom mode without all the fancy UI.. hell.. use the zoom button for it and just make a right side UI control panel for it.. aka another zoom ui if hiding the other parts.. then let the user default that mode if they choose
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Seems I missed the full meaning of you earlier post but rf-loop didn't and it seems a very valid solution. :-+
--- End quote ---
No. Just like you rf-loop doesn't even understand the actual problem at hand. With rf-loop's solution you still lose the zoom function for it's intended purpose. Before making any other comments take the time to study user manuals and watch videos on how oscilloscope's from the competition work and try to understand why they work that way. Or just wait until Siglent fixes their scopes. You'll see there will be zero impact on existing functionality. I really don't understand why you are so opposed on improving the product you are selling. :palm:
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FFS, I think we know the functional workings of the products we sell much better than you !
Go away and RTFM ! Come back when it's understood.
Elasia's solution I believe is to use the primary timebase of the Zoom mode framework but hidden as the basis for capture zoom out.
Max memory depth selected for ordinary Zoom mode would work as normal but could be toggled to a hidden Zoom UI and then provide capture zoom out capability from the full mem depth the user has set.
Is that right Elasia ?
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tautech on June 14, 2020, 10:15:43 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 14, 2020, 10:00:23 am ---No. Just like you rf-loop doesn't even understand the actual problem at hand. With rf-loop's solution you still lose the zoom function for it's intended purpose. Before making any other comments take the time to study user manuals and watch videos on how oscilloscope's from the competition work and try to understand why they work that way. Or just wait until Siglent fixes their scopes. You'll see there will be zero impact on existing functionality. I really don't understand why you are so opposed on improving the product you are selling. :palm:
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FFS, I think we know the functional workings of the products we sell much better than you !
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I strongly doubt that. Have you ever designed a digital oscilloscope or data acquisition system? I have (and one of them is staring you right into the face; I've used one of the prototype designs as my avatar picture). You OTOH don't seem to have a good grasp on how an oscilloscope actually should work. Otherwise you wouldn't be sticking to bad ideas and crutches.
tautech:
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 14, 2020, 10:26:58 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on June 14, 2020, 10:15:43 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 14, 2020, 10:00:23 am ---No. Just like you rf-loop doesn't even understand the actual problem at hand. With rf-loop's solution you still lose the zoom function for it's intended purpose. Before making any other comments take the time to study user manuals and watch videos on how oscilloscope's from the competition work and try to understand why they work that way. Or just wait until Siglent fixes their scopes. You'll see there will be zero impact on existing functionality. I really don't understand why you are so opposed on improving the product you are selling. :palm:
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FFS, I think we know the functional workings of the products we sell much better than you !
--- End quote ---
I strongly doubt that. Have you ever designed a digital oscilloscope or data acquisition system? I have (and one of them is staring you right into the face; I've used one of the prototype designs as my avatar picture). You OTOH don't seem to have a good grasp on how an oscilloscope actually should work. Otherwise you wouldn't be sticking to bad ideas and crutches.
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I might say: 'fuck off and read up on a Siglent user manual' but I won't.
Still, you might just learn something.
Martin72:
Gentlemen, keep calm... ;)
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