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| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: tautech on March 06, 2021, 07:53:10 pm --- --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 06, 2021, 12:33:28 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on March 06, 2021, 08:34:07 am ---No SDS2104X Plus left ...customers have them all so out comes zoom on a SDS5104X....... What's not to like......still an 8" display of which half is still usable. Cluttered display ? :-// --- End quote --- In my opinion, yes. I have less screen area to what I really want to see from the waveform itself, not the entire capture. Sure, a Pico will never have this issue, but an 8'' screen (just like my DS4014) this is not good. --- End quote --- You may have misunderstood. :-// 10" native display but in Zoom mode 8" of corner to corner usable display still remains where in this image only half is used by 3 traces including the decode display. --- End quote --- That is surely more screen realstate than what I understood. Thanks for clarifying. (No chance to customize this and remove the zommed out bar, I suppose? I need moar, MOAR screen! :D ) --- Quote from: 2N3055 on March 06, 2021, 08:28:20 pm ---Rafael, it is probably me not being able to explain well. Rigol comes by default in Auto, and I met more than few people that keep using it only in Auto, because for interactive work it is better, than having to think about capture memory, and still have scope work as fast as possible. If you want to understand how Siglent memory works, put your Rigol in Auto memory and observe how it behaves. --- End quote --- Thank you again. You probably explained this before but I also could not understand correctly (not native as well). :-+ --- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 06, 2021, 10:56:25 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on March 06, 2021, 10:51:01 pm ---[...] The fun thing is there has been a manufacturer who radically changed their operation mode: Tek. Auto vs non auto, which is most popular? which causes more support requests? --- End quote --- Is there anything quite as disheartening as staring at an oscilloscope screen that refuses to display any trace? :D --- End quote --- :-DD :-DD :-DD The latest Tek models MDO 3 and 4 felt that way for me... |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Someone on March 06, 2021, 10:51:01 pm ---It'd be great if scopes offered the choice to set all these parameters, but absolutely none do. --- End quote --- Still there is a basic set of operating modes common amongst most brands (as Dave has demonstrated in his 'zoomout' video). This thread is about the behaviour of 2 outliers when it comes to benchtop oscilloscopes. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 06, 2021, 11:48:59 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on March 06, 2021, 10:51:01 pm ---It'd be great if scopes offered the choice to set all these parameters, but absolutely none do. --- End quote --- Still there is a basic set of operating modes common amongst most brands (as Dave has demonstrated in his 'zoomout' video). This thread is about the behaviour of 2 outliers when it comes to benchtop oscilloscopes. --- End quote --- A use case which is so complex and full of gotchas that almost no-one uses it! You've been unable to clearly explain the benefits of such a workflow, hence the many users getting confused. Its really simple, 99% of people would use a zoom window so they can see both. Zooming out is not a great idea as it lacks controls of where the capture window is located. You didn't like that it used up some extra screen space you felt was better used on other things. Fine. Thats not a reason to change memory management, thats a motivator to improve the customisability of the traces/zoom windows. But you keep rallying against anything but your narrow solution, when for the majority there are far better ways to do it. Adjustable memory controls, could be useful, zero manufacturers have implemented it. Adjustable windows, probably much better, thats where newer instruments are going. But keep going with your short one liners that miss all the nuance and details which your nonsense arguments rely on. We'll keep point out how they are silly. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 06, 2021, 11:43:55 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on March 06, 2021, 07:53:10 pm --- --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 06, 2021, 12:33:28 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on March 06, 2021, 08:34:07 am ---No SDS2104X Plus left ...customers have them all so out comes zoom on a SDS5104X....... What's not to like......still an 8" display of which half is still usable. Cluttered display ? :-// --- End quote --- In my opinion, yes. I have less screen area to what I really want to see from the waveform itself, not the entire capture. Sure, a Pico will never have this issue, but an 8'' screen (just like my DS4014) this is not good. --- End quote --- You may have misunderstood. :-// 10" native display but in Zoom mode 8" of corner to corner usable display still remains where in this image only half is used by 3 traces including the decode display. --- End quote --- That is surely more screen realstate than what I understood. Thanks for clarifying. --- End quote --- You're welcome. Some maintain Zoom mode is too confined to be workable yet the simple screenshot offered and measurements shown there's actually more screen real estate than some scopes offer in unzoomed mode however we only have this nice 25/75 ratio in these latest scopes with the new UI. --- Quote ---(No chance to customize this and remove the zommed out bar, I suppose? I need moar, MOAR screen! :D ) --- End quote --- SDS6000....coming in a while .....12" display. :) But seriously we all want larger displays for some display intense jobs and most modern DSO's permit porting the display to a larger screen where that screen size itself is the only limiting factor.... |
| Martin72:
--- Quote ---But seriously we all want larger displays for some display intense jobs --- End quote --- Where 12" (our hdo6034A) is my personal absolute limit, watching it in short distance. We got a lecroy WR9054 also, it´s 15.4" screen reminds of sitting in the first row in a cinema... :P 8) In fact, the 10" screen of my private siglent sds2k+ is perfect for me. |
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