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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #225 on: January 22, 2022, 09:06:33 am »
I wonder if anyone will write open source firmware for these, just as has happened on the JYETech scopes? 🤔

There’s always scope for improvement… … BAH! couldn’t resist! 😁
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #226 on: January 22, 2022, 10:14:37 am »
I wonder if anyone will write open source firmware for these, just as has happened on the JYETech scopes? 🤔
Perhaps for this reason, the firmwares is not laid out for free access.
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #227 on: January 22, 2022, 10:36:50 am »
I wonder if anyone will write open source firmware for these, just as has happened on the JYETech scopes? 🤔
Perhaps for this reason, the firmwares is not laid out for free access.

What do they care? They’ve sold the hardware and basically wash their hands of it from there.
 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #228 on: January 22, 2022, 04:54:49 pm »
Utter nonsense.
... and sheeps where pink.
 |O

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I watched today an youtube post of one of the reviewers of this unit - no name/or hint - complaining ... and a long video... he couldnt solve some basic stuff.
5 x 47 nf ceramic capacitors would solved his probs. We passed that prob 35 years ago.

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I wonder if I'm on the right forum. Pictures and images with alot of hardcore stuff: DMMs, DSOs....  How about knowledge ?

 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #229 on: January 22, 2022, 08:24:55 pm »
Utter nonsense.
... and sheeps where pink.
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I watched today an youtube post of one of the reviewers of this unit - no name/or hint - complaining ... and a long video... he couldnt solve some basic stuff.
5 x 47 nf ceramic capacitors would solved his probs. We passed that prob 35 years ago.

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I wonder if I'm on the right forum. Pictures and images with alot of hardcore stuff: DMMs, DSOs....  How about knowledge ?

Pink sheep? (btw, that's red, not pink)  :o  :-//

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #230 on: January 22, 2022, 10:18:31 pm »
....
I have been guilty of this myself.
....
+ 1 (me). At least I'm not alone
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #231 on: January 24, 2022, 05:12:57 am »
Looks like the Multicomp Pro MP720783 is a green-skinned version of the HDS272S: https://au.element14.com/multicomp-pro/mp720781/hand-held-oscilloscopes-lcd-40mhz/dp/3703264

Interestingly, the spec sheet says a 6k memory depth, not the 4k/8k like the HDS200.
 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #232 on: January 25, 2022, 09:36:19 am »
Owon are an exceptionally bizarre company. They’ve got firmware downloads available on their site, for other scopes, and they specify serial number ranges for said models, with which certain firmwares are compatible… and yet with the HDS200 range, we have to email them and cross our fingers that they’ll reply; why?!?!?!

I asked them for the latest firmware a few days ago (attaching a VERY CLEAR PHOTO of the screen with my serial number, firmware version etc), and just now I received a reply ***asking for my serial number!!*** - I was asked a few other things too. This feels like the Spanish Inquisition for goodness sake.

Wake up Owon, people want the firmware and you’re not dealing with idiots here. We paid for these machines and expect you to service us. These aren’t toys they’re tools. I don’t buy all the horse crap about “we can’t afford a software tester” - NOT ONLY are you shifting boat loads of the Owon models, you’re also shifting SKU through Farnell by the way of the rebranded units.

Get your act together. I am a firm believer of leaving crazy China behind and moving manufacturing back to the West. The Chinese are clueless as to how we work, and what we expect. All they care about is selling X thousand containers worth of stock.
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #233 on: January 25, 2022, 09:55:07 am »
I asked them for the latest firmware a few days ago (attaching a VERY CLEAR PHOTO of the screen with my serial number, firmware version etc)
I still have not received a response to my firmware request.
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #234 on: January 25, 2022, 10:00:14 am »
I asked them for the latest firmware a few days ago (attaching a VERY CLEAR PHOTO of the screen with my serial number, firmware version etc)
I still have not received a response to my firmware request.

If your model and serial range are the same as mine, and if they send the firmware, I’ll share it with the forum 😃
 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #235 on: January 25, 2022, 10:33:56 am »
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Owon are an exceptionally bizarre company. They’ve got firmware downloads available on their site, for other scopes, and they specify serial number ranges for said models, with which certain firmwares are compatible… and yet with the HDS200 range, we have to email them and cross our fingers that they’ll reply; why?!?!?!
VERY true words. I too have been waiting for an answer from OWON for two weeks, although "BetterAndBetter" said the problem was solved.

This is my E-Mail to "info@owon.com.cn" from the 12.01.2022

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Hi, this is the Forum-Info from "BetterAndBetter":

i have received the information that my reported bugs have been eliminated.
would you please send me an update of the firmware.
But please also send me a version of 3.2.0 (it's my version) so that I can go back if necessary.

Has also the wrong frequency measurement been corrected in "Peak Detect" mode?  Forum Info 1 - Forum Info 2

My Data:
Software version: 3.2.0
Ser. Nr.: 2128114
Mainboard date: 2021-03-24
Mainboard Version: V2.0

Now that you have my data - will i automatically receive future firmware improvements?

Regards
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #236 on: January 25, 2022, 10:38:11 am »
Query:

I have an HDS272S, shipped from BangGood China, and my shipped firmware is 5.4.0 - is this the lastest firmware for the devices with which 5.4.0 is compatible?

Muchos appreciadios 😛
Our firmware and hardware realization is identified
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #237 on: January 25, 2022, 10:38:50 am »
Suggestion: How about if everyone here in the forum entered their device data in the signature like I did.
 
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #238 on: January 25, 2022, 11:46:57 am »
Owon HDS242(40 Mhz without AWG).
Firmware version : V.4.4.1
I have bugs with Auto that are mentioned in the  Reply #224, slow continuity, resistance and capacitance.
I can not save waveforms. After I click save on the scope and connect it to PC in the software there is no option to read from device or new storage device so I could read that file.
How did you guys retrieve images from scope?
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #239 on: January 25, 2022, 12:55:55 pm »
You must set "USB" to "MSC"

System -->  F4

look Picture
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #240 on: January 25, 2022, 02:01:01 pm »
connect it to PC in the software there is no option to read from device or new storage device so I could read that file.

Try this: remove batteries from scope then connect it to PC.

Scope tries to charge batteries each time is connected using USB cable. USB 2.0 is rated at 0.5A and USB3.0 is rated 0.9-1 A.
With 1.5A drawn, the scope is over this limits.
Without batteries, it will power through USB and it will need around 0.47-0.49A.
 
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #241 on: January 25, 2022, 04:29:36 pm »
Thank you tly and saresigi!
Scope did not react to MSC/HID mode switching. I had to reboot it.
Bug : When cable is connected to PC it will not display new images. Fix : Reconnect cable to receive new image.


 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #242 on: January 26, 2022, 07:56:21 am »
Hi,
I'm new to this forum and also the new owner of a nice Owon HDS272S  ;D
I spend a couple of hours with this device and I really like it, the standard software delivered by Owon is not so nice though :(
So I was looking at this thread: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59105167/pyusb-reading-from-a-usb-device and that seemed to work almost out of the box.
I modified the script a bit to get it better suitable for the HDS2xx device and created the attached python script, feel free to use it or expand on it.

Oh my, wow, this is SUPERB work! Thanks ever so much, GOD bless you.

PS: Please find attached my modified version, with more specific device name prompts/CSV filenames
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #243 on: January 26, 2022, 09:14:42 am »
Today received a response from support.
"Can you find any bug? if not bug, we don't supply update firmware."
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #244 on: January 26, 2022, 09:34:59 am »
Today received a response from support.
"Can you find any bug? if not bug, we don't supply update firmware."

Look hard and slow and carefully then 😂

That’s an appalling attitude towards a customer. If you want the firmware then they need to get on and send you it. What a stupid company.

Send them this if all else fails  ——> 🐜
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #245 on: January 26, 2022, 10:06:10 am »
Firmware 5.4.0 have this bugs.

1. Switching in resistance measurement mode is very slow.

2. In menu oscilloscope not have switch On/Off Buzer

3.Osciloscope measured frequency is flawed / wrong when Acqu Mode is set to "Peak detect"

How to test:
(Use Mode to switch to activate oscilloscope).
In HOR menu check that Acqu Mode is set to "Sample".
In Measure menu activate Frequency for the channel that you are using.
Connect oscilloscope probe to calibration port.
Check the measured frequncy on display ( it should be 1KHz).
Use HOR menu and set Acqu Mode is set to "Peak detect".
Check the measured frequency on display (on my units 2.2 Khz instead of 1KHz).

4.In Trigger menu: The line that represents Trigger level is shown if Coupling option is set to "DC" but is NOT shown if Coupling option is set to "AC".

How to test:
Press Trig button.
Set Coupling to "DC".
User arrows to set a level.
(Note that trigger level is shown on display like a popup message and a line).
Set Coupling to "AC".
User arrows to set a level.
(Note that trigger level is shown on display the line that represents the level is not shown)
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #246 on: January 26, 2022, 04:05:57 pm »
I've sent an email to Owon on Jan 18th. I've got an reply in less then 1 hour asking about SN, what country I'm from (?), where I bought the device and if are any issues with devices firmware and if I have pictures / videos to show that.
I've sent all details regarding purchase and other stuff + all my bug list + videos.

Still waiting for an reply.
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Note: Bgd allready gaved me the OK to return the devices and to get money back because the manufacturer didn't replied to their messages too. Strange. But I've asked for an firmware update on Dec 28th.
Before returning I'll do an detailed video with explanation and push to Youtube.

I used the devices intensively. For automative suff will above medium level. For electronics are "almost" to an beginner level. The most common problem for me was the 10mv/div level. It needs one more: a 2mv/Div or at least 5mv/div.
And another thing: trigger - sometimes works / sometimes don't. Didn't got it why. I did the experiment in different days in exactly same conditions (notes about settings and other stuff).

PS:
Don't trust any of the reviewes posted on Youtube about this device.
 
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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #247 on: January 26, 2022, 05:59:19 pm »
... and because I'm stupid and crazy: I ordered 2 of this MP shit at Farnell ... let's see who is loosing more money.

 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #248 on: January 26, 2022, 09:59:02 pm »

3.Osciloscope measured frequency is flawed / wrong when Acqu Mode is set to "Peak detect"

How to test:
(Use Mode to switch to activate oscilloscope).
In HOR menu check that Acqu Mode is set to "Sample".
In Measure menu activate Frequency for the channel that you are using.
Connect oscilloscope probe to calibration port.
Check the measured frequncy on display ( it should be 1KHz).
Use HOR menu and set Acqu Mode is set to "Peak detect".
Check the measured frequency on display (on my units 2.2 Khz instead of 1KHz).

4.In Trigger menu: The line that represents Trigger level is shown if Coupling option is set to "DC" but is NOT shown if Coupling option is set to "AC".

How to test:
Press Trig button.
Set Coupling to "DC".
User arrows to set a level.
(Note that trigger level is shown on display like a popup message and a line).
Set Coupling to "AC".
User arrows to set a level.
(Note that trigger level is shown on display the line that represents the level is not shown)


I doubt that Owon will pay much attention to the last two "defects". Dave did a very informative video on AC trigger mode and it's use.

His video #685 addresses the missing trigger level indicator. The whole video is good but the specific info is at 16:57 to 18:01 on the timeline.



The peak detect acquisition mode is really meant to capture glitches/events that might otherwise be missed in the standard sample acquisition mode, and that appears to be working as it should. In this mode there IS additional information being captured and the freq display is telling us what it sees.

On the FW version 4.1.0 (and 5.4.0, my only points of reference) Owon also included a "counter" on page-2 of the HORZ menu. That counter displays the correct frequency when the measure freq display doesn't. I have no idea where it gets it's information.

One easy way of displaying the additional information captured in peak detect mode is to zoom in on the paused waveform.

How to test:
Oscilloscope probe on CHAN-1, CHAN-2 OFF.
Set CHAN-1 coupling to AC (just to keep everything centered on the screen)
Set HORZ to 200us, refresh rate to LOW, PEAK DETECT acquisition.
Set TRIGGER to DC, Falling Edge.
Attach probe to scope compensation signal to display a signal
-- (At this point the frequency display should be displaying something other than 1KHz)--
Pause the display using the RUN/STOP button
Set HORZ timebase to 1.0us to zoom in on wave form
Note the extra pulse on the waveform being counted on the frequency display.

If you dont see an extra pulse, un-pause the display, switch HORZ to SAMPLE acquisition mode and then back to Peak Detect (verify that freq display is displaying something other than 1KHz), then do the above pause and zoom. On occasion, the extra pulse is on the rising edge so you may have to scroll the horizontal over to see it.

IMO the erroneous frequency display is not really a bug, it interprets/displays what has been captured. Perhaps it's one of the things that comes with the lower price point of the scope (ie memory depth, sample rate, etc). If a situation requires the peak detect mode be used in order to catch the glitches, the cursors (time) will let the user zero in on what ever period of interest is needed.

Maybe the "counter"  in the HORZ menu that they placed on the later versions of the firmware was meant to address situations like this. :-//
I'd be curious to know how the Hantek 2D72 responds to the same setup.
 

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Re: OWON HDS 200 Handheld Oscilloscope w/ builtin DMM/AWG
« Reply #249 on: January 27, 2022, 02:39:39 am »
I've checked the video you mentioned. Now I know for sure that the power source I'm using (that has a huge ripple) is in fact a constant frequency signal generator with large variable offset.  :P

In other words: he pointed that if your chan is DC coupled and trigger si AC coupled is no point to show the line. True.
Did he mentioned anything about AC coupling for both (chan and  trigger) ?

And about displayed frequency:
Connect the probe to signal generator
Set to Peak detect.
Set Signal generator to Square and 1 -> 10 KHz
Check displayed frequency on scope.
Set Signal generator to Square and 70 -> 80 KHz
Check displayed frequency on scope.
(Optional: use Auto button, change frequency on signal generator and check the result on scope).
 
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Peak detect in use. Also, notice the arrow that shows trigger level on right.
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