Welcome to the forum.
You don't say if you have updated the SDS1202X-E with the latest firmware, it's only been out a couple of weeks.
http://www.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Firmware&Software/SDS1000X-E_5.1.3.13.zip
Welcome to the forum.
You don't say if you have updated the SDS1202X-E with the latest firmware, it's only been out a couple of weeks.
http://www.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Firmware&Software/SDS1000X-E_5.1.3.13.zip
Thank you!
I actually did firmware upgrade (one released on 7/18).
Both scopes were set to one second persistence, but Siglent was somehow slow in this mode. I suspect that SoC installed in Owon is faster if it the same Sitara which we sow in the XSD3202A model. There are several Debian branches for the Sitara platform. Also, Sitara has two real-time co-processors.
For example, Siglent stores only 14 (fourteen) point with 1ns/div! Maybe I did something wrong?
Then:QuoteFor example, Siglent stores only 14 (fourteen) point with 1ns/div! Maybe I did something wrong?
For what need more? With 1ns/div there is one sample for one div in display. All what is outside of window is invisible and just waste.
I found one more puzzling fact:
Advertised as low-noise with lowest 500uV/div Siglent demonstrated ~650uV noise when its poor brother Owon (terrible name) showed ~350uV with same settings of 1 mV/div . I calibrated both scopes before testing. You also can see some bias on the Siglents's screen.
Here is the photo:
I found one more puzzling fact:
Advertised as low-noise with lowest 500uV/div Siglent demonstrated ~650uV noise when its poor brother Owon (terrible name) showed ~350uV with same settings of 1 mV/div . I calibrated both scopes before testing. You also can see some bias on the Siglents's screen.
Here is the photo:
The Owon scope has enabled bandwidth limit @ 1mV/div. You should enable bandwidth limit of the Siglent's scope by manual before comparing them.
I found one more puzzling fact:
Advertised as low-noise with lowest 500uV/div Siglent demonstrated ~650uV noise when its poor brother Owon (terrible name) showed ~350uV with same settings of 1 mV/div . I calibrated both scopes before testing. You also can see some bias on the Siglents's screen.
Here is the photo:
Then try 200MHz sinewave using 1mV/div. Example signal true input level 6mVp-p roughly 2.12mVrms or roughly -40dBm to 50ohm (for this Siglent need external feed thru terminator).
What you see with Owon, what you see with Siglent. (I do not have 200MHz Owon. BUt afaik Owon may force BW on and you can not even turn it off.)
Oh you did not even this what I ask in my one msg here. What otrher things you have missed what also have told?
With this pulse running, turn t/div 1ms/div.
Turn automatic measurements on.
Risetime, fall time and pulse width.
After then tell result.
With this pulse running, turn t/div 1ms/div.
Turn automatic measurements on.
Risetime, fall time and pulse width.
After then tell result.
I'm sorry, that pulse was pretty random and instead of 1ms/div I enabled x128 averaging. I hope it helped. And results are still very close. I even tried with four different probes. I don't know what the original pulse was, but results are close to theoretical 1.7 ns. I will try with 500MHz probe when it arrives if that changes anything.
Is this thread just two distributors talking past each other?
I wonder what kind of person who can only afford a budget low end scope like either of these buys a second, competing brand to have two chintzy scopes, instead of say, buying a better scope.
Also both of these have some god-awful industrial design, why can't Chinese scope makers go back to just copying Tek?
We don't want funky knobs/strange colors/etc. Bland and inoffensive is fine. At least neither look like the Instek atrocity (but the Siglent 2000X comes close)
e: wait maybe they're still copying Tek, just post-redesign
I wonder what kind of person who can only afford a budget low end scope like either of these buys a second, competing brand to have two chintzy scopes, instead of say, buying a better scope.
why can't Chinese scope makers go back to just copying Tek?
We don't want funky knobs/strange colors/etc. Bland and inoffensive is fine. At least neither look like the Instek atrocity (but the Siglent 2000X comes close)
e: wait maybe they're still copying Tek, just post-redesign
Name one at this price point.
The layout for the modern DSO has not changed for decades........it's called the ergonomics that suit this industry.
I'm sorry I don't like the way your scopes (or any recent Chinese scopes) look. You're right that it doesn't matter and the specs are good but come on they still look goofy and amateurish.
I'm not talking about the layout, which is fine. To go farther I actually really like the new Siglent GUI. I'm talking about the way the hardware looks and feels. It's a minor thing and I wouldn't base my own purchases too much on it but it is important and something that China has always been absolutely terrible at when they're trying to be original.
I really like my SDS1072CML because from far away it might as well be a Tek or any other gear.
Name one at this price point.
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. The Owon salesman up there is trying to make it seem like he's an average consumer who has an Owon he's very happy with, but bought a Siglent 1202X-E for some reason, a scope that's a similar low end class (but still OK!) as the Owon. I think that a normal consumer would rather have a better scope for the cost of the low end Owon and Siglent combined, like say a Siglent 2000X (or whatever the Owon/Rigol/Instek/etcetcetc equivalent is).
By two distributors I meant rf-loop and oleh, but at least you and rf-loop are honest and put that you're a distributor in your sig. I'm sorry I don't like the way your scopes (or any recent Chinese scopes) look. You're right that it doesn't matter and the specs are good but come on they still look goofy and amateurish.
The layout for the modern DSO has not changed for decades........it's called the ergonomics that suit this industry.I'm not talking about the layout, which is fine. To go farther I actually really like the new Siglent GUI. I'm talking about the way the hardware looks and feels. It's a minor thing and I wouldn't base my own purchases too much on it but it is important and something that China has always been absolutely terrible at when they're trying to be original. I really like my SDS1072CML because from far away it might as well be a Tek or any other gear. These new designs with the strange colors etc. make it really obvious that you have a bargain basement instrument. Again not important, just an observation.
I have to disagree (and I'm certainly not known for being a particluar fan of Chinese B-brands), technical properties aside neither newer Siglent nor Rigol scopes look like toys. Rigol has managed to come up with a somewhat unique case design which may not necessarily be the most ergonomic but it's certainly recognizeable without looking childish, and Siglent's scopes looked pretty much like any other entry-level DSO when they were still making the old SDS1000CML/CNL, and aside from really cheap-looking knobs there's nothing goofy and it looks as solid as the hardware really is. Siglent also put a bit more emphasis on case design in the later scopes and moved to better quality knobs, all looking clean and professional.
The only B-brand scopes that look like goofy toys are the Owons, pretty much all of them. Which is a shame as some have really nice features on paper (i.e. large screens, or 12bit ADCs) but they look like 'My First Scope' for the 0-3 age group, and the build quality seems to fit that as well.
Again, I disagree. Siglent has shown over and over again that they can build solid, good quality hardware at decent prices, right back to the old SDS1000CL scopes and the SDG1000 Series of AWGs. I'd even go as far as to say that their quality level can easily keep up with what the big A-brands provide in the same class.
Sales volumes paint a very different picture.......define normal.
Entry level DSO's outsell mid and high range models 10:1.
Understood and disagree.
That they dare to look different from historical brands is a good thing as each of their looks is part of their branding.
Over the years I have sold many dozens of C*L Siglents and early on got a SDS2000 as my personal unit when the GUI was different from what we see today in all the X and X-E models. The GUI we see today was introduced initially in SDS2000 models via a firmware update and has remained and been improved on until today. It was a significant improvement of earlier Siglent GUI's, over both the earlier SDS2000 and SDS1000C*L models. So much so that I no longer stock C*L models as the X series current GUI and the OSD is far more advanced than any of the C*L's.
The old C*L DSO's GUI is not in the same street.