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Picoscope- yay or nay?
David Aurora:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on January 24, 2023, 11:47:47 pm ---I'm not a fanboy of anything.
Emulations and virtual machines are not supported on many a device that need windows.
They don't advertise that Linux and Mac version have parity.
X-Y mode not only works fine, but works even with math channels which no other scope (in normal price range) supports.
It works perfectly as advertised. You wanted to use it way you expect it to be. Your problem.
They are not primarily used as "cross platform USB scopes" but way I explained..
Fact that AD2 that is literally a didactic toy, works great for you is great. I'm glad for you.
You seem to have very specific requirements you happen to address with AD2. Great.
That doesn't make Pico bad in any way. Just not for you...
No need to use rude and abrasive language if you don't like something.
I, on the other hand, have no use for AD2 (too limited in every single aspect of it's capabilities), but have and use 3 Picos in everyday work for many years. And they are worth every penny..
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"I'm not a fanboy"
*literally ignores every valid criticism of the product, twists my use case and then brags about owning 3 of them*
Cool story bro.
For the millionth time, I didn't buy one and try to force it to work on an unsupported system. I'm not running emulations, it's supposed to have native compatibility (I only mentioned Parallels as I briefly tried it on that to compare the Windows/Mac versions without having to reboot the second computer into Windows). They claim cross platform compatibility, which is why I bought one. They're not at all up front about how the non-Windows versions are either crippled, incompatible with modern systems or in perpetual beta, that's something you find out either the hard way or by deep diving the web to see how many years they've been banging on about the new version coming to solve all the problems.
You can't sit there and say things work fine when they demonstrably don't. They work fine ON YOUR OS AND HARDWARE, that's it. Despite marketing blurbs, data sheets etc claiming Mac compatibility it's a no go in any usable sense. You're welcome to prove me wrong and show me a stable, fully functional version running on a current Mac. If you can I'll place an order for one today. But you can't, because your entire, painfully repetitive input into this thread so far is "It works great as a decoder on Windows, therefore all other complaints are void".
Yet again- my "specific requirements" were a working USB oscilloscope. The AD2 delivered, the Pico did not. As in I can launch the Waveforms software and probe things like on any of my other scopes, whereas IF I could get the Picoscope software to launch (which it often didn't) I had constant hangs, glitches, triggering issues and missing basic oscilloscope features. I don't understand why you keep claiming using a USB oscilloscope as a USB oscilloscope is a niche thing, it's bizarre.
As far as whether you have any use for an AD2- I don't care and didn't ask. The thread was essentially me going "This thing sucks for me, am I alone" and the response was essentially it's pretty handy IF you run Windows and generally it's strength is more for decoding use rather than as an actual scope.
jasonRF:
As much as I like my Picoscopes (on Windows), if I were David Aurora I would be pretty pissed, too. The company has no excuse for claiming their software works on Macs when it doesn't. At least it sounds like they were good about the return.
I am finally starting to like Picoscope 7, but it still has serious flaws. It does seem like the development is pretty slow. To be generous, perhaps they are having problems hiring and keeping good technical staff, just like many employers right now (at least in the US). But who knows?
jason
David Aurora:
--- Quote from: jasonRF on January 25, 2023, 01:41:42 am ---As much as I like my Picoscopes (on Windows), if I were David Aurora I would be pretty pissed, too. The company has no excuse for claiming their software works on Macs when it doesn't. At least it sounds like they were good about the return.
I am finally starting to like Picoscope 7, but it still has serious flaws. It does seem like the development is pretty slow. To be generous, perhaps they are having problems hiring and keeping good technical staff, just like many employers right now (at least in the US). But who knows?
jason
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Yep, that's all I'm saying here. If they don't want the Mac/Linux/whatever hassle that's 100% fine and they don't owe it to anyone to cater to us. Just stop saying it works on the other systems when it doesn't, because it's a waste of peoples time AND they're trashing their own reputation with it. It's so much better to be known as a rock solid Windows only product than a flakey universal thing.
I've actually just downloaded the most recent beta release out of morbid curiosity (plus, part of me really wants them to pull it together as it really could be a handy product in the toolbag), I'll be curious to see how far it's come since May.
David Aurora:
--- Quote from: David Aurora on January 25, 2023, 01:51:31 am ---
--- Quote from: jasonRF on January 25, 2023, 01:41:42 am ---As much as I like my Picoscopes (on Windows), if I were David Aurora I would be pretty pissed, too. The company has no excuse for claiming their software works on Macs when it doesn't. At least it sounds like they were good about the return.
I am finally starting to like Picoscope 7, but it still has serious flaws. It does seem like the development is pretty slow. To be generous, perhaps they are having problems hiring and keeping good technical staff, just like many employers right now (at least in the US). But who knows?
jason
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Yep, that's all I'm saying here. If they don't want the Mac/Linux/whatever hassle that's 100% fine and they don't owe it to anyone to cater to us. Just stop saying it works on the other systems when it doesn't, because it's a waste of peoples time AND they're trashing their own reputation with it. It's so much better to be known as a rock solid Windows only product than a flakey universal thing.
I've actually just downloaded the most recent beta release out of morbid curiosity (plus, part of me really wants them to pull it together as it really could be a handy product in the toolbag), I'll be curious to see how far it's come since May.
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OK, mixed bag running the latest release on an M1 Mac.
Painfully slow to open menus, switch views etc. Chokes for half a second any time I click anything basically.
Crashed within first 30 seconds just from entering/exiting full screen mode.
XY is no longer greyed out, though I can't properly test it given I'm just running in demo mode and don't have the hardware anymore. I'll trust that it should work now though.
Some measurements don't work at all and just sit on 0.
Channels seem to come and go as they please. Like you're looking at two signals and then suddenly you're looking at one, you double check that both are turned on and they are, then you click some other random thing and you've got two channels again.
Offsets are done as percentages rather than divisions(?). I forgot how weird that was. Not the end of the world, but just why?
I still have mixed feelings about that linear equations page for scaling. I guess it's pretty flexible and I could maybe end up loving it, but something about it just irks me from a user interface point of view. Needless complication of setup.
Zoom extremely hit and miss.
Can't really be bothered digging any further for now.
So yeah, overall it's probably about the same? Some new features, some old features now broken, still very clunky. This supposedly just came out, so it doesn't seem like they're anywhere close to stable release based on this
2N3055:
On Win it works perfectly, even with old i5-4k series..
I guess Win is what Pico users traditionally use so don't see problems
I have no idea how it works on Macs with v7, true.. What you say is not really usable , I agree.
It would be better to just say that they don't have Mac version...
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