Powerbanks tested with DHO800/900

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Powerbanks tested with DHO800/900

It could be interesting to share our experiences with DHO800/900 powered by a powerbank.
I begin by a failed !

Anker 737  24,000mAh (powercore 24k) FAILED !
This powerbank is well rated on many reviews, but sadly my Rigol DHO804 powerred by this powerbank does not complete boot correctly. Yes it power up and begin to boot, but failed to run the app, something wrong happend at about 30s, just when the power needed grow up, from about 12-18W to more than 30W.
Tested with the provided 140W cable and many others.

When I have a moment I would use the PD listener function of the FNB58 to investigate.
But for now my workaround, is to use the FNB58 to trigger 15V/3A, it works as this.
Autonomy tested with a load of 37W 2h15min (in fact the average load being less than 37W)

This powerbank



FNB58 PD trigger function


Interresting to note, that 12V is missing on the powerbank datasheet but in fact it is available

[csuhi17]

[Silver_Is_Money]

Has anyone come across a powerbank that fully works without issue?  What is the requirement?

[Proxy64]

Here result of the PD listener.
Just plug the power supply (power led green then red, auto boot off).

Provided LiteON adaptor


Anker 737, there is one more option (6. programmable power source) it ask for this one !

[Silver_Is_Money]

Here result of the PD listener.

So the Anker 737 will work.  Correct?

[idolclub]

Rigol DHO800 / 900 can work with ZMI PowerPack No. 20 Model QB826G (210W / 25000mAh).

[zrq]

My several years old Xiaomi powerbank 3 20000 mAh works with the DHO914S. I think one should look for the 50W ones.

[Proxy64]

Here result of the PD listener.

So the Anker 737 will work.  Correct?

No the DHO doesn’t work with the Anker 737 !

[Silver_Is_Money]

No the DHO doesn’t work with the Anker 737 !

How about this powerbank?  https://www.amazon.com/Charging-50000mAh-Portable-Compatible-External/dp/B0CHJRW5K5/ref=sr_1_3?crid=12WDPKYL1Z6O5&keywords=power+bank+fast+charging+50000mah%2C+65w+laptop+portable+charger&qid=1704762752&sprefix=Power+Bank+Fast+Charging+50000mAh%2C+65W+Laptop+Portable+Charger%2Caps%2C455&sr=8-3

[DaneLaw]

... Interresting to note, that 12V is missing on the powerbank datasheet but in fact it is available

I doubt the Anker 737 supports PD12v as none of the protocol triggers I tested with can activate 12v in power delivery regi on these 140w Anker powerbanks.

When you test for PD-listner on your 737, how do you hook up your Anker737 to the FNB58?
Fx a description or a picture of your setup.?

These are the protocols, I get greenlit from the Ankers737 PD protocol inventory.

[Proxy64]

... Interresting to note, that 12V is missing on the powerbank datasheet but in fact it is available

I doubt the Anker 737 supports PD12v as none of the protocol triggers I tested with can activate 12v in power delivery regi on these 140w Anker powerbanks.

Yes that why I noticed that on my initial post.
I saw some reviews with the 12V missing, I saw many complaints from Mavick users about the missing 12V.
So maybe they have made an update, maybe it’s only software, I don’t know!
But below a picture, I trigged for 12V/3A and as you can see on the dummy load screen, it’s really 12V sinking 1A for test.

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When you test for PD-listner on your 737, how do you hook up your Anker737 to the FNB58?
Fx a description or a picture of your setup.?

FNB powered by microusb (connected to the Macbook)
PD switch ON
Enter in Listener function
Connect the Anker737 then the scope

[Proxy64]

According to this video Shargeek 100 (Storm2) should works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=ufldtgFa_a2auhS4&v=TXL916et9_Y&feature=youtu.be

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How about this powerbank?  https://www.amazon.com/Charging-50000mAh-Portable-Compatible-External/dp/B0CHJRW5K5/ref=sr_1_3?crid=12WDPKYL1Z6O5&keywords=power+bank+fast+charging+50000mah%2C+65w+laptop+portable+charger&qid=1704762752&sprefix=Power+Bank+Fast+Charging+50000mAh%2C+65W+Laptop+Portable+Charger%2Caps%2C455&sr=8-3

I don’t know this one and they don’t provide informations about supported protocols,but I would say:
Stay away from mysterious China brand with big promesses, often they don’t have the capacity annouced on marketing flyer.  Brand like Baseus, Liteon, Shaargeek, Anker and many others you will find online reviews.
For the issue with the Anker and the DHO, probably better to avoid PD3.1 maybe the scope has an issue with this, maybe.

[Demon Xanth]

Baseus PD65 pack worked without issue for me.

[DaneLaw]

... Interresting to note, that 12V is missing on the powerbank datasheet but in fact it is available

I doubt the Anker 737 supports PD12v as none of the protocol triggers I tested with can activate 12v in power delivery regi on these 140w Anker powerbanks.

Yes that why I noticed that on my initial post.
I saw some reviews with the 12V missing, I saw many complaints from Mavick users about the missing 12V.
So maybe they have made an update, maybe it’s only software, I don’t know!
But below a picture, I trigged for 12V/3A and as you can see on the dummy load screen, it’s really 12V sinking 1A for test.
(Attachment Link)

Have you tested the actual output of the 737 to check what voltage it is delivering from the bank to the FNB58 fx with a USB meter in between and its not some fluke in the FNB58 that / bulks it down, Anker is pretty is pretty clear cut, the A1289 does not support 12V PD, and no revisions of the A1289 should have that protocol support, according to them.
Reached out to see if the A1289 is pushed under different fimware revisions or upgradeable.

Anker respons
The Anker 737 Power Bank (PowerCore 24K, model A1289) does not support 12V/3A output. If some users claim that they got 12V PD output, it might be due to a misunderstanding or a specific interaction with their devices that could be misinterpreted as 12V support. As of the information provided, there is no indication that later revisions of the PowerCore 24 (Anker 737) include the ability to output 12V PD.
source #TNS479517818 for further inquiries & the relevant technicians

It seems its a conclusion that Anker have taken when Apple dont support 12vPD as Anker tries to be pretty hardtied into Apples ecosystem..

[DaneLaw]

Anker 737  24,000mAh (powercore 24k) FAILED !
This powerbank is well rated on many reviews, but sadly my Rigol DHO804 powerred by this powerbank does not complete boot correctly. Yes it power up and begin to boot, but failed to run the app, something wrong happend at about 30s, just when the power needed grow up, from about 12-18W to more than 30W.

It is a shame if your Anker737 dont work with your Rigol, as the Anker737 (Powercore24 A1289) does seem to work with the newer Rigol products, but it could be they changed something from the older Rigol products to the newer Rigol models.

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Anker respons
As of the information provided, there is no indication that later revisions of the PowerCore 24 (Anker 737) include the ability to output 12V PD.

Here what we can read on the Anker support about Mavick charger issue due to the missing 12V:
Therefore, our engineer will improve our power bank and add the charging ability at 12V in the near future, which should help to be better compatible with the DJI Mini 3 Pro.
Maybe communication between Anker services is like Boeing communication 
https://ankertechnologycompanyltd.my.site.com/ankerenexternal/s/article/Why-does-the-UVP-warning-appear-on-the-Anker-737-PowerBank-s-screen-when-charging-a-DJI-Mini-3-Pro

Anker respons
If some users claim that they got 12V PD output, it might be due to a misunderstanding or a specific interaction with their devices that could be misinterpreted as 12V support.

No there is no misunderstanding about the result of the PD negotiations!
No the FNB58 will not add missing sources capatibilities, no it doesn’t have bulk converter inside it’s not his job.
Compare your PD listener result with mine post #10, if you think my fnb58 add 12V capatibility, why yours doesn’t post#9 ?

[DaneLaw]

Anker respons
As of the information provided, there is no indication that later revisions of the PowerCore 24 (Anker 737) include the ability to output 12V PD.

Here what we can read on the Anker support about Mavick charger issue due to the missing 12V:
Therefore, our engineer will improve our power bank and add the charging ability at 12V in the near future, which should help to be better compatible with the DJI Mini 3 Pro.
Maybe communication between Anker services is like Boeing communication 
[url=https://ankertechnologycompanyltd.my.site.com/ankerenexternal/s/article/Why-does-the-UVP-warning-appear-on-the-Anker-737-PowerBank-s-screen-when-charging-a-DJI-Mini-3-Pro]https://ankertechnologycompanyltd.my.site.com/ankerenexternal/s/article/Why-does-the-UVP-warning-appear-on-the-Anker-737-PowerBank-s-screen-when-charging-a-DJI-Mini-3-Pro[/url]

Anker respons
If some users claim that they got 12V PD output, it might be due to a misunderstanding or a specific interaction with their devices that could be misinterpreted as 12V support.

No there is no misunderstanding about the result of the PD negotiations!
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Compare your PD listener result with mine post #10, if you think my fnb58 add 12V capatibility, why yours doesn’t post#9 ?

Let's see what Anker responds, as you're quoting a technician from Anker support that was under the clear-cut belief that no variants of A1289/Anker737 had 12V PD implemented, but Anker got quite a portfolio of products, so there is a chance they (fx western orientated support technician) simply aint up to date if there are changes. and perhaps regional..
Not to mention, it could also be relevant to get an idea of what serie-nr or production stats new revisions took place - but as I exampled to you above, my unit doesn't carry PD 12v from its native TypeC PD sockets, so that should be written in stone by now, PD-listener screenshot or not - and likely the same with most units here in the West.

Been an issue for some since the Anker 737 came out a year or two back and seems to go hand in hand with Apple's lack of 12V PD. https://www.astroworldcreations.com/blog/powering-your-rig-with-usb-power-delivery

You seem to be in Thailand, and your Anker737 still got screencover on it, so I reckon you likely just got it... where did you purchase it from, local in Thailand, or CN import like Aliexpress etc?
Here in Europe, the 737 looks to be on the verge of being discontinued and not in stock, seemed they were cleared at a reduced price.
https://www.anker.com/eu-en/products/a1289?ref=naviMenu&variant=42109767549118

Anker refers to newer models, like the Prime series..
in the USA they also seem to be clearing stock of older 737 units with a -40% to 45% reduction 159/149 down to 91US
https://www.anker.com/products/a1289?variant=41974285041814

Or maybe they are simply clearing stock, of older revisions..

No the FNB58 will not add missing sources capatibilities,

Ofcourse it does.. FNB58 are able to add missing ablelities , it will even give you 12V PD on powerbank units that don't have it   
- as explained my unit doesn't support 12V PD (like most units) but the FNB58 can in fact recreate a 12V PD protocol, even from a socket that aren't intended for any PD support, like USB-A, - the FNB58 does it by converting the Qualcomm fast-charge into 12V PD power delivery signal.

So 12V PD products can trigger and run on 12v PD signal from the Anker737, but it's limited to sub 30W (12v/2.5A) its called "QC to PD converting", and its limited to the older power delivery standard PD 2.0.
Alongside the FNB58 offers the ability to regulate the voltage down to your heart's desire by giving access to different voltage adjustment protocols that both Qualcomm & Power Delivery have, alongside other vendors' semicharge protocols.

Anyway - as mentioned, it's a shame with your new power bank, and its doesn't work with your new Rigol scope as it's a nice power bank..
as you can see above' my unit (Anker737) does in fact work with Rigol's new TypeC products and it doesn't make a 12v dip, it stays continuously at 15v from scratch to boot, so maybe you can put your hat on the tiny "hope" that Rigol can change it thru future firmware..

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Ofcourse it does.. FNB58 are able to add missing capatibilities , it will even give you 12V PD on powerbank units that don't have it   

Sorry, no it doesn’t, you are confusing PD trigger function and QC to PD converter function, in this case it make a protocol exchange between QC and PD, so if you have an output QC 12V it will convert the protocol to give an PD 12V output (it make change only on the protocol layer).

As you said, anyway, yes I think you are right about localization, I live in Thailand and I got it directly from an authorized seller in China, that should explain th difference.

I don’t mind about the issue with the dho800, because I don’t buy it especially for that and if I need it I can use it with the fnb58 trigged on 15V/3A in this way it works. Really a good Swiss Army knife this FNB58 

[DaneLaw]

Ofcourse it does.. FNB58 are able to add missing capatibilities , it will even give you 12V PD on powerbank units that don't have it   

Sorry, no it doesn’t, you are confusing PD trigger function and QC to PD converter function, in this case it make a protocol exchange between QC and PD, so if you have an output QC 12V it will convert the protocol to give an PD 12V output (it make change only on the protocol layer).

Not sure what your meaning? "makes only changes on the protocol layer".. of course, what else, should it do?
"FNB58 will not add missing capabilities" when it in fact does that... it adds a 12v PD standard to fx a power bank that doesn't have it, and from a USB-A socket that never will have PD-officially.

When you can use the FNB58 to convert the QC/Qualcomm charge protocol into a Power delivery protocol (PD) you suddenly can use 12v PD products from a power bank that simply doesn't have 12V PD support.. that is, in fact, adding "features" the item didn't have or supported.
Not to mention having 12V PD Power delivery from a USB-A socket, also a feature that is added by FNB58 that you're not gonna obtain natively since PD is centered around TypeC sockets, not to mention getting 3x PD outputs on a unit that only supports 2x PD out, so the FNB58 is certainly adding new features

These two protocols come from two competing backlands.. QC is Qualcomm's own charging protocol (Qualcomm is the corp behind Snap Dragon SoC, Aptx etc) while Power delivery [PD] is from USB-IF (Implementers Forum) a consortium of technology companies where the board reflects representatives from a lot of big dogs on campus.. fx Apple, HP, Intel, Microsoft, Renesas, STMicroelectronics, Texas Instruments etc. (USB-IF is generally classified as a non-profit organization)

Qualcomm is certainly not to fund of Power Delivery (PD) as they feel big tech for years been stigmatizing their Quick Charge standard (QC) - which they certainly have but for good reasons.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/11/google-threatens-qualcomm-quick-charge-with-android-incompatibility/

if I need it I can use it with the fnb58 trigged on 15V/3A in this way it works. Really a good Swiss Army knife this FNB58 

There you go, stay locked in 15v PD, so it could look like it's the 12V dip on your DHO800 bootup phase that is messing it up.
That would be a shame if it's that new 12V PD feature that seems to be implemented on your new Anker737 from CN, that is choking & undermining a direct use-case, which is very unlikely as I have no problems with PD3.0 powerbanks that include. 12v PD, it will not dip to 12V,, it stays in 15v from start to boot

Either way, you got it to work with your Anker737, even though it sounds far from ideal to have to trigger with FNB58 every time, but if it works when you got it triggered in 15V3A with FNB58 then just get a locked 15V PD decoy cable or make the cable yourself, then you won't have to trigger with FNB58, and can run your new power bank directly with your scope.

[Proxy64]

Today I got an email from Anker:

We want to inform you that, after confirming with our backend team, we have implemented an improvement to our 737 power bank. The latest version now includes an additional charging tier of 12V/3A, designed to provide you with more versatility and efficiency in your charging needs.

[ytterligare]

The latest version now includes an additional charging tier of 12V/3A, designed to provide you with more versatility and efficiency in your charging needs.[/i]

"…so please throw your "old" 737 in the trash bin as we were too lazy to shell out a firmware update and please buy a new one, in the hope that the one you get belongs to the new release batch…otherwise, throw it again and repeat” : if you’re lucky, within three or four times you’ll end up with a market worth product…"
 

[Houseman]

I confirm that powerbank INIU BI-B63 clamed as PD 100W 25000mAh does not complete Rigol's boot.
Fan goes on but after a while DHO shuts down.
Asked for refund.

[al777]

I can confirm that Essager PB187 65W "15000mAh" does work for DHO924S. No tests done in terms of how long it will last and what it does to the noise floor - my fully-floating sessions were fairly short and on fairly large signals.