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Rigol announces "serious" scope: DS70000
mikeselectricstuff:
"Knob switch with photoelectric" - great, I'll take two.
Not quite on the hilariously terrible level of the Neoden video, but pretty lacking in useful content
mawyatt:
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--- Quote from: Datman on November 10, 2020, 06:40:51 pm ---They still have 8-bit input converters, no more... :(
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The video says 16 bits. :-//
But 8 bits is enough for anybody when you have a high sample rate. Just average a few samples together and you can have 10, 12, any number of bits you like.
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Sure, this is why Keysight invested the time & $ in full custom designed and produced (StingRay) 10 bit converters in the new EXR (16GSPS @ 9 ENOB), MXR (16GSPS @ 9 ENOB), S (20GSPS @ 8.1ENOB) & UXR (256GSPS @ 6.8ENOB) DSOs. You obviously know more about DSOs than Keysight, since they could have just settled for 8 bit, maybe with an ENOB of 5~6 bits, and saved quite a few Millions $!!
Here's some images of the Keysight StingRay ADC from ~ 6 years ago, the design started probably over 10 years ago!!
Let's hope this new Rigol DSO has a much better designed and performing 8 bit ADC & front end than what Rigol currently has demonstrated, this would put some "pressure" on some of the other DSO folks in the same market space :)
Best,
TurboTom:
--- Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on November 10, 2020, 08:18:44 pm ---"Knob switch with photoelectric" - great, I'll take two.
Not quite on the hilariously terrible level of the Neoden video, but pretty lacking in useful content
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Yeah, that's quite funny... I also like their BNC sockets without the signal contact in the center. Probably there wasn't enough time left to design a correct model of the connector. These all-rendered videos aren't worth a lot anyway, at least not to understand at what phase of the design they are.
At least, Rigol's new slogan "Possibilities and More" is much better than the last one "Innovation or Nothing" :palm: Anyway, I liked their first one "Beyond Measure" best. Whatsoever, all this isn't worth anything if the product isn't competitive. With this new intrument, they may have a real opportunity to enter the real "Professional Sector" if they do it right.
Fungus:
At least we know what their firmware developers have been working on.
It certainly isn't the MSO5000 (although it should be... that's their cash cow right now)
ResistorRob:
Lot's comments along the lines of "don't know who would buy this", but there are mechanics out there who buy Harbor Freight tools instead of Snap-On, and while that might not be the greatest analogy because the individual buys their own tools and not the company. The point remains there is a place for equipment that delivers most the features and quality at a fraction of the cost.
A lot of small companies are pretty cheap when it comes to buying major purchases. I know this first hand because I've worked at a few like this! I'm sure this is a high-margin item so they don't need one on the bench of every engineer in the world to make some good money from it. And I did write "world" and not "America" because they do sell oscilloscopes in multiple countries and will probably move a fair amount of these.
This reminds me of Tesla (for the record I hate electric cars. Give me a new Corvette or Bronco!). They started out and pretty much everyone thought they will be a fade and disappear in a few years. Now their stock is worth more than all the big 3 U.S. auto manufacturers combined. True, Rigol doesn't have a 70 year history and I doubt Tek's experience making boat anchors in the 80's is really helping them develop modern test equipment. Oh, but they have the reputation right? Do they really? For a while they were selling very outdated oscilloscopes that were slow and had tiny memory. So they pretty much started over from scratch with their current 3/4/5 series scopes. My whole point of this rambling is to say don't underestimate them. They could give the A-brands a real run for their money within 10 years if they played their cards right. Obviously we all know the shortcomings, but if they address those things they could become a company similar to Hyundai. If you don't know they started selling junk cars for dirt cheap, and now offer similar quality to the A-brands and even have longer warranties while offering a lot for the money.
More competition is a good thing for everyone. It drives innovation and helps runaway pricing than if just a few companies have a monopoly. They have come a long way on aesthetics since the 1054z (or whatever the model is. sorry I'm not a Rigol fanboy, lol). This thing looks bad ass, modern, and polished. Way out of my hobbyist budget, but if I was purchasing an oscilloscope for a company it would definitely be on my short list of considerations.
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