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Rigol announces "serious" scope: DS70000

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DaJMasta:

--- Quote from: Datman on November 10, 2020, 06:40:51 pm ---They still have 8-bit input converters, no more... :(

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That's my concern as well.  However, if this helps develop their analysis software and higher bandwidth technology, it could be the beginning of a good direction for them into higher end equipment.  The chassis seems fairly deep in comparison to other modern offerings, and the converter doesn't sound as fancy as some of its competitors, but at the right price point and with comprehensive analysis options, it could certainly be a good bang for buck contender.  I don't mind the look either, a bit cleaner and more professional in my eyes than the gamer PC signal generators of a couple years back, but still has a bit of the scifi look.

A good direction, now let's see how its software handles itself and what it costs.

Fungus:

--- Quote from: Noy on December 10, 2020, 10:17:20 pm --- Rigol may have a noisier frontend but who cares if you need BW for digital / analog "high speed" stuff? For these things i'm more confident with my rigol.. Siglent is close to the edge with their bw / sample rate.

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Yep, and if you want less noise  you can turn on some averaging.

8GHz sample rate in a 350MHz 'scope give you plenty of headroom for enabling 4x averaging (or whatever).

oliv3r:

--- Quote from: tv84 on December 10, 2020, 09:43:46 pm ---MSO8000 is "Martial Eagle".

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I haven't seen teardowns of the MSO8000 yet, but the code is the same. E.g. there's lots of 'if DS7000 -> X; if MSO8000 Y; and that is only for U-Boot/linux. appEntry is even entirely the same I think. Now if you remember looking at the resume of the former rigol employee, He listed 'Project Martial Eagle' as a ZynqMP 64bit platform. It is super likely the DS70000 will be that, and he called i the martial eagle project?

But all we need is a photo of the MSO8000 PCB, the silkscreen will reveal it ;)

oliv3r:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 10, 2020, 09:44:03 pm ---
--- Quote ---means probably we won't see any fixes in the MSO5k-8k line ...
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As I sold my 5000, the 70000 wasn´t in mind but that were my thoughts too.
The MSO5000 came up as the cheapest way to buy the new rigol platform - And they won´t spend much more effort to polish it.
This came in my mind as a year after buying has passed and no significant firmware updates were in sight.
But I won´t leave rigol and hopes are lying on the DSO/MSO7000.

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While the performance of the 7k is higher, the 5k has as its advantage it was done later (check the PCB silkscreen to see the dates) so some bugs where fixed in that platform.

In terms of software, I'm starting (but don't have the time yet) to invetarize the various MSO appEntries and try to 'cross-run' them. E.g. run the software from the MSO8000 on the MSO5000 shouldn't be a problem. The hardware platforms are super similar. The FPGA code IS different (the big kintex 7) but appEntry is a single compile for all platforms I think...


--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 10, 2020, 09:44:03 pm ---Same there and the answer of my question ( will the 7000 have the same (noisy) frontend as the 5000 ? Yes..) let me vending my 5000 and changing to siglent.
And what to say, in the first year appearing, there are two significant updates avaible which are not only fixing some bugs, also nice features on board.
This in combination with the much less frontend and much better UI let me never regret to have done the change.
Sad rigol, so sad. :(

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My guess is, that their engineering resources all went into the new DS70000 series ... I still prefer the rigol platform for some reason :)

But it's common isn't it? Release and forget...

Martin72:
Batronix got it now:

https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rigol-DS70304.html

Ultravision III Platform, not the same as on 7000/5000 and 8000(?).
Multi-Window display, full hd 15"
3Ghz/5Ghz
20GSa/s, 1.000.000 wfm/s, up to 2Gpt memory, up to 16bit vertical resolution...
A second 3.5" touchdisplay..Photoelectric incremental encoders.... :clap:
Price is "of course" way beyond all other rigol scopes - But will be "cheap" in relation to other scopes in this class.
Looks nice!

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