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2N3055:
--- Quote from: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:31:29 pm ---It looks like these scopes are "more open" out of the box.
An API is not really necessary, this forum is full of reverse engineering examples that transform closed parts to more open parts.
I start in a modest way: signal analysis with machine learning. AI can come later (maybe upgraded models, but think out of the box: scope is connected to internet, sends the heavy lifting to
a powerful cloud and GPU server ...).
How many hobbyists can afford a LeCroy? Think in options: with all these smart script kiddies coming from the university into the workplace. They've been trained to automate everything ...
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:19:49 pm ---I don't understand.
Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.
Unless manufacturer gives you scope API you are left out to dry, and reverse engineer scope internals..
AI analysis ? On a smartphone platform ?
As for scopes that do give API and all needed to make custom apps, filters and such is LeCroy on it's high end platforms..
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This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..
It is industrial scale effort that needs both lot of knowledge and time.
If you are the one that will succeed it would make me very happy for you and thousand of other people that will benefit from it.
I feel like you are arguing with me thinking I am against it or that I think it should not be done.
Quite the opposite. I'm rooting for you.
It is just that it is not as easy as you think it is..
And why are you suggesting I advocate for people to buy LeCroy instead of Rigol.
You asked do I know any scopes that have API provided by manufacturer. I do, LeCroy.
That is all..
Or since you mentioned it, it can be a sign how "easy" is what you expect to do, if LeCroy can charge so much for it...
2N3055:
--- Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:50:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:19:49 pm ---Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.
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An android APK isn't the same as a bunch of compiled binaries.
Having an unobfuscated APK is almost the same as having the source code these days - see the screenshots in that link I gave you earlier for examples.
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As someone who did reverse engineer industrial project for a machine control (from full source code in C) I bid you good luck.
Only going through all the documentation (that was provided and well made)for APIs for all controller cards and peripherals took few months. Without it I would refuse the job.. Even with full source code for application.
Fungus:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..
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It also has people that HAVE reverse engineered oscilloscopes from zero and written new firmware for them.
eg. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203
We'll see what happens, but these Rigols will need orders of magnitude less effort than other devices.
2N3055:
--- Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 04:54:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..
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It also has people that HAVE reverse engineered oscilloscopes from zero and written new firmware for them.
eg. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203
We'll see what happens, but these Rigols will need orders of magnitude less effort than other devices.
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Like I said, my best wishes for sucess!
RAPo:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---
This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..
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Yes, it can go both ways.
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---It is industrial scale effort that needs both lot of knowledge and time.
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Cheaper scopes will mean more people are able to get one.
More people with appropriate schooling will mean more workpower and intellectual power, so more and more people can stand on the shoulders of people before them, thus easing the way for others.
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---If you are the one that will succeed it would make me very happy for you and thousand of other people that will benefit from it.
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I don't think I qualify or even have the energy for it. But I see young people at work that have a second nature to automate everything and get breakthrough in dossiers that have stood still for a long time.
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---I feel like you are arguing with me, thinking I am against it or that I think it should not be done.
Quite the opposite. I'm rooting for you.
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No, I don't think that, the only point where we have different estimations on how hard such a job would be.
You have experience, I do not. But I see energy flowing when young people put their heart into something.
I've studied mathematics and the adagium of the oldest mathematical society in the Netherlands was: Een onvermoeide arbeid komt alles te boven (untiring labor conquers all).
That spirit is engrained in my life.
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---It is just that it is not as easy as you think it is..
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See above
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---And why are you suggesting I advocate for people to buy LeCroy instead of Rigol.
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I don't.
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---You asked do I know any scopes that have API provided by manufacturer. I do, LeCroy.
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True point. I had an implicit thought about cheap scopes, because there is a lot of talk about he price of these scopes.
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---That is all..
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Idem ;-).
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm ---Or since you mentioned it, it can be a sign how "easy" is what you expect to do, if LeCroy can charge so much for it...
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I like your thinking.
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